Signing/tagging Albert AND drafting Joeckel would be so incredibly dumb.

A huge ****ing waste of a 1st rd pick.

You'd have to be a buffoon to want the team to not resign Albert only to blow the number one pick by not improving a 2-14 team with it.

Who the **** is Alberts?

Why is our fan base comprised of 2/3 reeruns?

First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.

Not a sound Llotment of.

ALBERT IS NOT A GUARD JFC

First, what no one even begins note, is that last season was only Albert's 4th season in his playing career at the. LT position.

He had to learn on the job essentially, and has just started to touch his potential.
He still has more upside, and hasn't even come close to reaching his cceiling, and he is already a top LT.

If you want to argue that Joekel. Has more potential, I would disagree with argument.

Second, to patteau's idea, it simply is not a sound financial decision.

Forget the fact that you'd be paying LT money to guard.

With your plan, with the rookie slotting, you would be committing 15 to 16 mil a year to just 2 line positions.


Not a sound allotent of.

That is not a sound allotment of money, even with a lot of cap space.

What fresh ****ing Hell is this?

I don't know but if you like the Chiefs on Facebook, go read the comments on their post with the Geno press conf. Yesterday

lmao im cracking up

Loads of reeruns in there.

Can't wait for my Alberts jersey to get here. Complements my Dwayne Powe jersey quite well.

I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL.

But, Joeckel is a better pass blocker than Albert and will always be better at this than Albert. He is quick/agressive in adjusting and keeping pass rushers in front of him, which requires quick feet and strong upper body -- Brandon Albert just does not have this, he's more or less a guy that will buy you a few moments pass protection and then he loses his guy to a move of some sort, but I think he's good enough for a quick passing scheme like Reid's WCO.

Wait. What?

We got franchise LT in Albert no reason in hell to give up on him now.


This rookie scale is kind of back fireing it seems for some vets if teams don't want to pony up and pay big contracts to players who have earned the right to get payed. They can just dump on a guy and get a replacement at a discount in the draft. If that's what they do to Albert then the rookie pay scale system is flawed & defeats the purpose of it all.

ROFL Are you really comparing a collegiate level LT that has not seen a second of action in the NFL to a NFL vet entering his 6th season at LT?

oh he'll get his rookie lumps, but he's better at pass protection than Albert will ever be. that dude is a technician at the LT position. i know it hurts your lil vag to read somebody else is better than your lil chiefee, but this lesson will help you grow up.

oh. wait.

Joeckeloff can be the next Willie Roaf I don't give a **** won't matter with out a franchise QB that we will miss out on. **** Joeckel defeats any purpose of having the number 1 pick in the draft.

Further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.

In drills at the combines, Abert displayed quickness that rivaled Ryan Clady.

His issues have always been technique.

He just started to use his hands and his hips properly last season.
He had been just trying to win his battles previously simply by leaning on people.

He still has some work to do to clean up his technique, but. You don't give up only one sack

Brandon Albert gave up one sack in pass pro last year. He is an excellent pass protector and grades out as such. The CHiefs' average rush when running left also speaks well for Albert's abilities as a run blocker. Joeckel is PROJECTED to be an excellent NFL pass pro guy, but he also had problems with the bull rush at times in college and was exposed a few times just this season by guys with legit NFL strength/speed combos.

Joeckel is NOT a flawless prospect. Just like everyone else in this draft.

ya, so your reading skills suck. read the first part of my OP. the part that states "I would like to see them re -- up Albert at LT and let this existing OL come in and play a season. This would free up that #1 pick which should be used on the QB regardless what a reach it will be, this franchise needs to get in the QB sweepstakes for once in its damn life and stay in it because that is key in today's goodell happy NFL."

and there is nobody but chiefs fans claiming there is a "franchise QB" in this draft.

You don't give up only one sack in the scenario you describe when you have. A QB that holds the baal too long like Cassel does.

You'd have 3 rookie contracts on the OL and one pretty reasonable FA contract at RT. It wouldn't be unsound if you look at the big picture.

I've tried to think this through from all perspectives and I understand the best available argument. But this decision is really about much more than the best available. It is about QB, it is about generating fan excitement, it is about restoring attitude in the locker room. It is about breaking away from the sounds of silence culture with the media that prevailed before. It's about putting KC on the map with respect to our QB. Our situation is just not like a typical year. Proven coaches to the degree Reid is are not easy to come by in small market cities. There's a grace about Reid that seems to fit here, and yet the likely face of the team will ultimately be tougher than what we've come to see in recent years. I'm looking at all the peripheral issues and I just don't see how you marginalize them with a tackle. However, there is ONE thing that I'm having trouble ignoring. That's what Kurt Warner said at the combine, interested in Manuel. Why? He said because he's a winner. This is exactly what Mayock said about Wilson last year, that he will make his splash on Sunday's and that is exactly what he did.

Bottom line - steal the spotlight from everybody and take the quarterback, get first team media here for games and promote the hell out of a new/old rivalry with Denver.

...I could change my mind by 2 p.m. LOL

oh, well shit -- I guess I fail to see Brandon Albert IS FLAWLESS!!!!!

ridicule has taken over. I'm out.

You will be paying Albert between 10 and 11 mil.
With rookie slotting, you will be paying Joekel about 5 mil.

That's 15 to 16 mil for 2 positions on the line.

Not sure what Winston gets paid, but it has to be at least 3.

That brings you number to 18-19.

That isn't simply poor cap managment.
That's downright stupid.

Its hard to imagine coming out of this draft without a QB. It just remains to be seen who that will be. Irregardless of who we believe is the best the decision will be made by those who actually sit down and talk with that player to assess their mental makeup. In the end that player may be available in a later round. We just don't know.

This is about the effect that Albert actually has on both the draft and the finances since he is a FA. His play has been solid but one would think he is trying to get A huge payday and who knows if Dorsey will let him walk and try to replace him through FA or the draft.

Dorsey has said that he will take the BPA. He hasn't backed off of that stance. It may be a QB in the end but at this point the experts are saying that OL fall into that category. So whether we like it or not it is possible that we take an OL. Not necessarily Joeckel but at some point pick up a replacement for Albert. If so, would we really see that much of a decline in the OL. Just because we drafted him does he deserve top LT money?

And you believe him huh?

. Agreed. Too much to tie up those to positions with minimal return. Now consider the effectiveness of the OL by letting Albert walk and just drafting a C in the third. Then using the first and second round picks on playmakers.

. It doesn't matter if I believe because no matter who they draft they are going to say it was the BPA on their board.

Fat Alberts.

I think you are missing the point of a free agent. If we don't resign Albert, it is the same situation as not signing any other free agent. It would be like giving up the 1st pick and Albert. We can sign any free agent we choose.

I knew i shouldnt have clicked on this dumb thread.

Didn't read the entire thread, but here's why Joeckel is a bad idea:

1. It's spending the #1 overall to save money instead of improve the team. Most likely Joeckel will be a slight upgrade at LT at best. So we are letting a good LT go so we can sign a cheaper LT that might be better. I can't imagine a worse way to use the pick.

2. If it's your claim that we keep Albert, and slide him to Guard therefore improving the guard spot, then it's using a #1 overall on a guard, which is also a terrible idea and something no team has ever done in the history of the nfl.

Absolutely false.

I participate in a couple of team-agnostic draftnik board and this is absolutely false.

In fact, a lot of those people think Chiefs fans are stupid.

Joeckel just ran the 40


slow off the line
looks doughy
1.89/10yrd and 5.22/40yrd

But he's the best OT prospect in 10 years!

he's not gaining ground at the combine


but many times Olineman look like shit off the field ... You wouldn't of thought Willie Roaf could even run by the look of him in regular clothes.

I just like Eric Fisher better as an all-around prospect. I'd much rather have him.

Joeckel isn't exactly setting it ablaze there.

And Asamoah will need a new contract ater this upcoming season, too. That's not be cheap.

He's a non Pro Bowl guard.

He won't be expensive.

Easily replaced.

I'm guessing 4/yr

Asamoah is average at best.

Don't understand the homerism that surrounds this guy. He's nothing special....good run blocker, but horrible in pass protection.

Eric Fisher will be a better LT than Joeckel.

Certainly appears (take the combine for what you will) more athletic IMO. Taller and I thought has a more muscular build.

He also didn't have Manziel making him look better than he really is.

I just got back from Wal-Marts and overheard someone talking about Alberts.

He looked physically weak compared to the other linemen.

Must be time to move a CB to #1. So he will eventually get cut down to size too.

He wasn't impressive on the bench, either.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...l-40-yard-dash

Luke Joeckel, arguably the top player in the 2013 NFL Draft ran poor 40-yard dash times at the NFL Combine.

Unofficially, he ran times of 5.22 and 5.35, while Lane Johnson ran a 4.75 in both of his chances. Joeckel's closest competition for the top tackle spot in the draft, Eric Fisher, ran an unofficial 5.01 and a 5.07.

Consider this a warning. People are going to start talking about how Joeckel's 40-yard dash time compares favorably to Cincinnati Bengals right tackle Andre Smith. Or how the best tackles taken in recent years – Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Duane Brown, Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Tyron Smith and Matt Kalil – all broke the five-second mark in the 40.

They're also going to bring up NFL Network's Mike Mayock saying he's "a bit concerned" how Joeckel handled speed rushers and that he was beat on the inside.

But remember at the 2010 combine when Bruce Campbell of Maryland ran a 4.78? Or in 2007 when Allen Barbre ran a 4.84? NFL teams probably don't.

The point is, the 40-yard dash for offensive tackles largely doesn't matter. The 40-yard dash doesn't measure athleticism. It's not the three-cone drill. The drill tests pure speed, and nothing else. It's notable that Joeckel ran slow times. It's not newsworthy. It certainly shouldn't hurt his NFL Draft stock. He should still be the first tackle selected.

"Yeah, definitely coming into this thing I wanted to be the first tackle taken in the draft," Joeckel said at the NFL Combine. "Now I know it’s a long process until then. I’m trying to do every single thing right to make sure that happens. I know it’s a competition between him (Central Michigan’s Eric Fisher) against the other guys, you know (Oklahoma’s) Lane Johnson. It’s good type of competition between all of us. That’s one of the fun parts about the combine – the competition aspect of it, going against some of the best athletes at your position in the country."

I would like to think Brandon Albert got a little bit richer today.

I also would like to believe the QB's in this draft started picking up some steam in their rise to the top of the draft.

The most significant portion of his 40 is that he looked like he was slow getting started.

That's a BIG problem for a lineman.

The biggest concern about Joeckel is that he's a pure "finesse" player and lacks strength. So far, he's showing that those concerns are absolutely valid.

Just wait until they run the "explosion" drills and he fails those too.

I don't really care about the 40


I'm far more concerned with how slow he started ... very little explosion. He also looked pretty 'dumpy'. I'm not sure if he considers himself in shape or not but he doesn't look it.

the irony that he's a "finesse" LT and the prediction out on him is he will get beat like a drum by every NFL next level speed rusher out there.

great

His stock is dropping. The pundits are looking stupid.

I told a buddy a couple of weeks ago that I'd take Fisher over Joeckel 10 times out of 10 and Joeckel is the most overrated guy in the draft....still no doubt in my mind.

Manziel and their scheme made Joeckel look like a million bucks.

man, you aint kiddin. The next time this mother****er comes to the inbox, im going right to unsubscribe and not looking back.
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i agree.
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Drafting the 2nd best LT coming out this year (I honestly think Fisher is better than Joekel) would be insanely stupid when you have legit options available as free agents. Obviously your best bet is to sign the guy you have... BUT if that is somehow not possible... you have a ton of decent options this year without having to use the #1 pick. I am a huge proponent of a strong Oline but using our 1st rounder on oline this year is about the only draft choice that would piss me off. If we don't go QB, we need to scramble to trade down(not likely) or look at CB. But if we need a LT, there are plenty of serviceable free agents this year.

I never understood why he was rated so high to begin with. Fisher I get, but not Joekel.

black friday his ass.
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