I think his overall point is still valid. There is no way he deserved anywhere close to that big of a contract extension. Just like Cassel didn't.

I don't care. I'm just pointing out the absurdity that has taken over this forum and dominated it for months.

Apparently, Geno Smith, the QB of a 7-6 West Virginia team is the only man on planet Earth capable winning a Super Bowl for the Chiefs.

Andy Reid is now a dumbass and John Dorsey, despite his association with numerous QB's, many of them extremely successful in the NFL, has become a dumbass as well.

Without Chiefsplanet, I would have never known.

riiight

because he didn't just get done raping the NFL like never seen before

and the Eagles, you know, didn't build any outs into that contract where if he didn't perform at the same rape level as before they couldn't get out of it by say...2013...

they weren't smart enough to do that, were they?

oh

wait

they were

That's what you said, isn't it?

I would have easily forgiven him if he didn't take Geno #1 and addressed the QB somewhere else...

Excuse me for being unhappy we bid against ourselves for some reason and gave up the 2nd pick in the 2nd round for Alex Smith PLUS a conditional pick in 2014 that could also be a 2nd round pick.

OH AND, IN THE SPIRIT OF DANE...I'M GOING TO SCREAM AT YOU TO GET THIS POINT ACROSS...

TWO ****ING WEEKS AGO YOU CALLED ME A ****ING DIPSHIT ASS ****ER FOR SUGGESTING THE VALUE OF ALEX SMITH TO BE A 2ND ROUND PICK. YOU SAID..."NO ****ING WAY YOU ASS****ING DIPSHIT!"

but now that it has happened and it has happened to us PLUS A PICK...we're all dumb ****ing ****s who jump off ****ing buildings because we're low life ****ing scumbag ass ****s

right dane?

DANE THE HYPOCRITE

WV was a big east team playing a big 12 schedule. The WV coaching staff sucks.Doug Marrone clown faced those idiots. The point being Geno has had bad coaching and still did well.
The best college teams don't produce the best nfl qb's so w/l record is not exactly the best measuring stick. Teams win college games qb's win nfl games.

I want to make sure we're clear here.

Dane, are you saying Alex Smith is going to be a winning QB for the Chiefs?

That he can win playoff games? Or a Super Bowl?

Pick one or all three!

Compensation has yet to be revealed

why bother?

no matter what he says if you bring it up to him in 3 months if he's wrong he'll tell you you're a low life piece of shit who lives in his mother's basement and has no right questioning anything about him because he has a great job and his children speak four languages

so when it's revealed, you're going to apologize to me I assume, right?

I'm not a big fan of being called a ****ing dipshit ass ****er when I end up being right...you know?

I'm not making any predictions. I'm stating that most of the posts in this thread and others were made by people that have ever even seen Alex Smith play and hate the trade because he Chiefs decided against a QB the draft.

First, no one has said that about Geno.
Most would have been happy with 2 or 3 of the QBs in tbis group, and understand the potential for bust exists.
We're pissed because we 've seen this song and dance before.
You want proof of the truth in the saying that "withou risk, ther cvan be no reward"n look no further than the Chiefs.

Can you link me? I probably called you a dipshit but I don't remember this specific incident, as I use that term towards you often.

You drunk, Milkman?

They didn't really have any simple outs other than cutting him but they would have had to do that 3 days after the SB. They didn't so he got his guaranteed $3 million dollars.

He chose to restructure because he knew no one else would give him a decent contract and a chance to be a starter.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...185088641.html

LMAO

you've seen EVERYONE play, eh?

I watch more NFL than you do. I just do. I'm single, I'm obsessed, I never work Sundays (for this reason), and I have 10 $$$$ FFL leagues that are LITERALLY the obsession in my life...plus I have a gambling problem.

I've been the most realistic person about Alex Smith on this board.

He's somewhere between Trent Dilfer and Trent Green. Green is his ceiling.

If he hits Green, sure...it may end up being a good trade.

BUT ****ING EXCUSE US FOR NOT BEING HAPPY ABOUT THIS HAPPENING...AGAIN. It's a HOPELESS move for a fan base in DIRE need of HOPE.

what's so tough to get? Or can you not live without drama? Is stirring the pot the only thing that gets you through the day anymore?

I'll find the thread in an hour. I am getting off of work as we speak. Picking up BW3 on the way home.

A 2-14 team should be able to improve much more than what it looks like we are going to do. We handcuffed ourselves and are going to miss out on the 34th pick which means we have basically no hope of getting a legitimate developmental QB.

Whoever we draft now with the first pick will make almost no difference in terms of wins/losses and will be a reach anyways.

If we draft Joekel and lose Albert we will have traded Albert, Cassel, the 34th pick, a conditional pick, and the first overall pick for Alex Smith and Luke Joekell. That is just sad to me.

And I don't understand why people can't accept that no suitable QB, for whatever reason, appealed to Dorsey and Reid in the 2013 draft.

That doesn't mean that they will never draft and develop a QB. It means they didn't want to waste their time on a prospect they didn't believe in this year.

And if they win and win big, no one will give a shit how he was acquired.

so you are proving my point?

that contract was a bloated contract and the Eagles had every out to get away from it without paying a ton of money to a starting NFL QB

it happens every year...look at Fitzpatrick, Cassel

the Vick contract really wasn't that bad...the fact he regressed was the issue but you can't fault Philly for locking him up after he raped faces...and had raped faces before prison as well

Second, I was on record when Reid wasz hired that. I didn't like it, so thinking he is't all that is how I've always tbought.

Too many ifs

But you don't like anybody, so this is no surprise.

I am tired of getting some other teams rejects. We should be drafting our own rejects.

Posting from my phone, and I suck at this litte key board.

Sounds like a great plan.

"Hey guys, we're going to draft a piece of shit QB, play him for three years in hopes that he's not a complete failure while wasting the final years of Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson. Oh, and we'll continue to run the best running back in franchise history into the ground while we win 4 games a year. K?".

I can't accept it because I find the whole argument that these QBs are not azs good asz ones coming out the years before last to be utter bullshit.

which is fine if we gave up a 4th and a conditional 4th in 2014 that could move up to a 2nd (or even a ****ing 1st if he lit the world on fire)...

not fine for what we *reportedly* gave him...

the dude has limitations that sicken me...it's like, toss a coin and you might get Dilfer, toss it again and you might get Green...toss it again and you'll never get Rodgers

We are going to be doing exactly that with Alex Smith.

I hope I am wrong but that is how I see it playing out now. I am positive Reid can keep Smith being an efficient passer, but I just hate being stuck with another game manager and a QB that has physical limits that many others simply don't have.

If they make a concerted effort to go downfield I will be shocked but very happy. That is what I want to see. I want to see the underneath patterns actually resulting with room to run. I see so many teams have guys coming across the middle with no one near because the defense is stepping backwards before the snap instead of forward towards the line of scrimmage.

Hello Chiefs' fans....I'm from the 49ers forum and NOT A TROLL. I am simply here to give you some heads up about Alex Smith. I have been a 49ers fan since 1980 and so I have no time for childish stuffs.

I really admired Alex Smith and am a bit known in our boards as an Alex homer. I am a staunch West Coast Offense supporter, big Bill Walsh supporter and of course now Jim Harbaugh supporter.

I also like Coach Andy Reid for being a Holmgren disciple and a WCO proponent and in this light you have reasons to be optimistic with Alex Smith. Alex Smith was subjected under unfair conditions with Coach Noland and Singletary both whom are responsible for the 49ers' demise for the last 8 years while in SF. Both have no clue how to coach, let alone both have no clue in any inclination in offense whatsoever.

Both also didn't support Alex Smith with an OC (remember he went through 7 years with different OCs everytime!) who can't really create any kind of momentum...bad offensive line and all.

And so with Andy Reid at the helm he would know how to use Alex Smith. He's gotten polished a bit under Jim Harbaugh in terminology and short/medium passing. So don't be panicking. He is stable and doesn't turn the ball over within the WCO.

He will be patient, and will get sack at most if there's no open "receivers". And thus the main key is the O-line, the running game and the playcalling to get him going. I will not BS you guys. He is a heady competitor and very efficient in the WCO.

Just don't expect anything spectacular. What he can give you is consistency and remember what he did against The Saints in the NFCCG last year? Well he was consistent and he loves the TE position (so sexual puns...bwahaha).

And so that's my 2 cents and wishing you guys luck.

We have tried your way for 30 years and it hasn't worked out. I am not a Geno ball washer I just wanted them to identify the best QB out of the bunch and draft that guy.

There is absolutely no way anyone can make such a far-reaching judgment on any of these QBs that it rules them out in favor of Alex Smith.

You're basically saying there isn't a single game manager who's good at dumping the ball off in this draft.

My way? LMAO

I lobbied for Brees in 2001. I lobbied for Sanchez in 2009. I lobbied for Clausen in 2010. I said the Chiefs should have given up every draft choice in 2012 and their first in 2013 for RGIII.

You're ****ing stupid.

Riiiiight. If that was so easy, why get rid of Cassel?

Fine then you shouldn't be bitching when we have a real opportunity to get our own QB not some reject from another team.

And if the guy we draft becomes an Alex Smith\Matt Cassel reject who gives a shit we just go draft another one and another one until we finally get it right.

There's no shortage of reasons to get rid of him.

The trouble is you can apply most of that logic to Smith, too.

That's just ****ing brilliant logic. "The Chiefs should take a QB #1 because they've got the first pick".

JFC.

I don't care if we were picking first, 5th or 10th. Go identify the best QB in the draft and do what you can to get that guy. It is not complicated.

And what if the "best guy" is still complete shit?

That's apparently what Reid and Dorsey concluded.

Any thoughts?

The funny thing is, if this was the Eagles, I'd actually feel pretty confident Smith would have some success. We have yet to see if Reid can carry that magic over though. This franchise is cursed that way. Reid got solid performances out of McNabb. Dragged an over the hill 95 year old Jeff Garcia into the playoffs, and almost to the conference championship game... and took a guy who'd been in prison and hadn't started for 4 years to his best passing season, by far... and into the playoffs.

The fact of the matter is, if Alex Smith fails, there will likely be a riot. But if he does end up doing well every single fan will become a die hard supporter.

There are just as many stories of moderate QB's being successful with another team, as there are Failed hand-me downs that have done nothing but disappoint.

What we need to do is exactly as every one on the team is going to do, and that's support our QB. Talk shit after he fails(if he fails). Because do we want him to fail? Ask yourselves that. Do you want Alex Smith to fail, and be a complete bust? Any honest, realistic Chiefs fan would obviously say no. Alex Smith is your QB, whether you want him to be or not. So why not be supportive and encourage our team to do well. Leave the shit talking til after he screws everything up.

They maybe shit or they may not. Draft picks are crapshoots. I am sure the 49ers thought they had their guy in Smith until they benched him 4 times and then traded him.

The point is it appears the Chiefs for whatever reason are scared to draft a QB high. And until we do we will never win a damn thing.

:shake:

And if Alex Smith wins a playoff game next year in KC, there will be no bigger fan than you.

Stop it.

Holy shit

Obviously Reid and Dorsey didnt like the top qbs in this class. Maybe they like Wilson or bray better, we shall see. It sucks, but they got a guy who can probably be a 2 year guy til they find their guy.

It's not the way we wanted the whole thing to play out but it is what it is. Who knows, we are obviously trading down, get some more picks maybe they end up with their bpa and a qb in te first couple rounds, who knows. Just have to let it play out

Can you please tell me some stories of guys on their 7th OC who went on to win a superbowl with a new team?

That will make my day

Just enough to keep him for 5 years.

Fabie, you will get no where on here dude. Its pointless. Between the niner trolls like fjrider, beast21, harbernick, and other douches, the chiefs fans were already pissed the **** off about this trade, now all of these turds are here isnt helping. Good to see you though.

I ****ing hate this trade, and what we gave up. I've watched Smith plenty since my wife is a Niners fans. In fact, the 2011 season I told her she was rooting for the 90's Chiefs. Great team, but the QB play will **** you in the end. Isn't karma a mother ****er.

After a day of being angry I've decided to give it a chance. Reid knows what he needs better than any of us do whether we want to admit that or not. It doesn't mean he's going to end up being right, and I personally don't see it, but I will defer. I liked the hire of Dorsey and Reid so it's hypocritical if I flip over their first move. They obviously don't like any QB with a high pick, but will pick a developmental guy with the third or forth pick.

I hope the compensation is wrong because my biggest problem is how much we paid for him. I think you could have waited it out longer, and still got him. If someone else moved harder. They must see something in him to be a late bloomer. I hope they are ****ing right. I'm a Chiefs fan, and always will be. Yes, I'm that stupid. I'll let it play out and see how it goes. Just please don't ****ing extend this guy without him proving himself for a year.

You still have yet to link me, Hootie.

I search my last 500 posts and found nothing. I search "Alex" and "Smith" with your User Name and found nothing.

I think you're smoking crack.

Great post. Not that my opinion means a shit. I get it. Alex Smith is nothing sexy as a qb goes. My initial thought when he was coming here was Andy wanted him because he doesnt turn the ball over, and can help you guys win this year. I never once thought oh, this is the qb that Andy thinks he can win a super bowl with. Clearly he thought what many thought, there arent any first year starting qbs in this draft that he can win a super bowl with. The important thing is going to be getting the oline solidified, and keeping bowe.....i know, you guys know way more about your team than i do. my bad.

That is infinity-percent bullshit.

The only one i could think of, was Drew Brees.

This board is a perfect example for why there will never be another American Revolution no matter what happens in this country. People will get instantly pissed off about something, then rationalize it away the very next day.

Jim Plunkett is another, but they are outweighed about 600-1.

That's alright....most people have made up their minds (doesn't matter what team). That's why there's always people who will surprised later. As of our team, though glad that we moved on it isn't without gratefulness of what Alex brought to the niners.

He is the classiest, most loyal, and persevering players I've ever seen. And he isn't a slouch on capability either. Just wishing him the very best and the Chiefs would be surprised later on. Andy Reid ain't no slouch either and he would know how to use Alex.

You had the revolution. Got the people out you wanted to get out. Got people in that (in my case) wanted to get in. Yes, I hate the ****ing trade, and believe its not going to work. However, strange things can happen, and that's what makes sports special.

What do you want to do? Start another SOC campaign right after the other one was a success? Expect Clark Hunt to immediately override the staff he selected? Burn down Arrowhead? None of that is going to happen. At this point you either decide you are a fan, and see what happens. You go root for another team or you just stop paying attention all together. I don't blame anyone for selecting any of these options, and don't know why anyone would.

If you want to start a revolution more power to you. In the end it's just football. The good news is in 10 years it will be flag football and I won't give a shit.

I'm just waiting for the new league year, then I'm cutting the Chiefs out of my life like the ****ing tumor they are.

This checkdown shit could work if the NFL decides to widen the field. We could draft 2 more Mclacklusters and utilize the run and pray offense.

Believe me. I've considered it, and can't blame you. I love football though, and for whatever ****ing reason I had to be born near a very frustrating franchise. I've gone this long I might as well let them finish me off.

I root for a team that does things the right way. There's no need to be in an emotionally abusive fan relationship with one that treats its customers like scum and asks them to buy the same shit over and over again.

Just imagine if Coke came out with New Coke once every four years, only they didn't change back to the original formula. People finally got upset and they said, "Alright, we'll change the formula." Then they go out and use the same formula in a different bottling plant. Now imagine they do this for 20 straight years.

How many people would still drink Coke?

Then he's not my QB.

2009.

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Brees last 2 years in SD were damn good. Far better than Alex D. Smith has ever accomplished (hint, look at production, not just efficiency). SD could have ended up holding on to him, except for the injury in his last game in SD. That tipped the balance to going with Rivers.

What's hilarious is that cdcox's sandbox league had Alex. D Smith beating my Tom Brady-led juggernaut and winning the championship, if memory serves.

**** your coding, cdcox.

You're the niner troll with your patronizing statements trying to convince us that we've got a really good QB, when in reality, you're the one that has the potential for a great QB. In 10 games Kaepernick has developed into a better QB than Alex D. Smith has in six years. Think about that. Quit trying to be our big brother, telling us that everything is going to be OK, and just go back to your board and enjoy your franchise QB. You have no roll to play here.

Nope, he is a Alex Smith fan. He denounced being a Niner fan over Alex ****ing Smith. That should tell you all about him. That would be like one of us becoming a Ravens fan because they signed Grbac.

Sounds to me like he's the 49er version of De'nise.

10 lines of coding will fix that. Last year we put in the Darren Sproles code to account for his low carries in the NFL. This year it will be the Alex D. Smith code to account QBs who live in a sheltered offense.

Hey, first, im not a troll, second, how do you THInk that kaep developed so fast? And its what i have been trying to tell people like you. Dont worry. im very good at this game. Two years ago, when jim took over, i made a bet with the 49ers board that alex would have over a 87 rating, took bets, losers had to leave. i was the only one to take the over. You want me gone? Fine, here you go. Ill make this the ABA bet here, (anybody but alex).

If alex smith doesnt get the chiefs to the playoffs, ill leave this board forever.....

If he does, you put me in your sig as your daddy for a year.

Wrong again. Listen girly mouth, i denounced the niners because of dick head niner fans. thats pretty much it. I couldnt even enjoy watching a game because of their incessant whining.

It definitely wasn't because of his great physical talent, confidence, Jim Harbaugh and co, or the great players around him.


It was all Alex Smith and his ability to play 'big brother'.

I want a Super Bowl victory. Actually, a dynasty is really my expectation. Lots of bad Chiefs teams made the playoffs. That isn't satisfying. Is Alex Smith a dynasty QB?

Nope. Do you think that Colin Kaepernick can be? All Alex Smith is going to be this year is a leader. hes going to baby the offense enough that you guys win close games, meanwhile he will show your qbotf how to be a true professional. Thats also while they arent extending him. In two years he will be gone, and your qbotf will be ready to take over. Thats all this was. Sorry that doesnt meet the expectation that Geno Smith or Matt Barkley was going to come in this year, and be Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, or RG3. That qb is not in this draft, Andy knows that, so the next best thing, was getting a qb who isnt going to lose games. It isnt the sexy option, but its the right option given this draft. You think if the chiefs had the first pick last year they would of traded for alex ****ing smith?

Can you deny that it wasnt a lot of it? Forget camp alex?