I'm just completely ****ing bored with this team.

0 excitement.

Not that "better than the Chiefs" equals much of a chance.

But there is a chance damnit!

That's how I feel about the draft.

We have the number 1 ****ing pick and the only excitement on the horizon will be seeing how little it takes another team to move them out of that #1 spot.

The only good thing about the Chiefs right now is that if they take Geno, it will be such a surprise and shock that the joy will be melting down the walls.

The Royals are definitely a better run organization than the Chiefs, and they are far better at scouting and drafting talent, despite working in a sport with a much higher bust rate.

That said, the Royals are one of the five worst organizations in baseball. It just so happens that the Chiefs are one of the worst in professional sports.

I can't think of any worse NBA franchise. Even Sacramento had a run of extended success and would have won the 2002 title if not for the most egregiously officiated theft in NBA history.

The Pirates are an abysmal franchise, but even they show signs of promise, and they have a far greater history of success than the Chiefs.

The Browns have had worse results but a better blueprint. Their history is better. Same with Detroit.

without reading every post, didn't the major league indians and bad news bears actually end up winning at the end of their movies?

It only took 166 replies, but eventually we got there. LMAO

I'm with you.

Could it end up worse? Who ****ing knows.

But I'm not going to lose any sleep over this team anymore. If Smith/Daniel suck again, they suck again. Whatever. I'll try and get random pussy either way.

Inept franchise. Creator of its own misery.
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It's not even CLOSE to 2009.

Pioli was a ****ing embarrassment, making bad move after bad move. Haley was an inexperienced but arrogant asshole.

I don't know how anyone with a brain can compare John Dorsey and his moves so far to Scott Pioli.

And Haley versus Reid?

ROFL

Diffrent dudes, same old Chiefs. Its NOT a complex equation.
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2009:

Added: QB Matt Cassel, QB Matt Gutierrez, WR Bobby Engram, WR Amani Toomer, WR Ashley Lelie, TE Sean Ryan, G Mike Goff, G Andy Alleman, C Eric Ghiaciuc, DE/OLB Mike Vrabel, ILB Zach Thomas, ILB Corey Mays, ILB Monty Beisel, CB Travis Daniels, FS Mike Brown.

Lost: Tony Gonzalez and Jason Babin

2013:

Added: Alex Smith, Mike DeVito, Dunta Robinson, Anthony Fasano, Chase Daniel.

Resigned Tyson Jackson (1 year) Franchised Brandon Albert, resigned Dustin Colquitt, resigned Dwayne Bowe.

Lost: Glenn Dorsey (reportedly), Steve Breaston

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Yeah, 2009 = 2013.

Lamar Hunts last words must have been "Clark, dont ever draft a quarterback, ****ing todd blackledge..."

I'll tell you how 2013 can be more disappointing.

There was no franchise QB in 2009 available to us.

If it turns out there was one in this draft we could have taken, and Alex Smith is garbage...Reid and Dorsey will be far more despised than Pioli.

Utter speculation.

Sanchez was seen as a Franchise QB by the Jets, Freeman was seen as a Franchise QB by the Bucs. The Chiefs passed on both.

This year, no one is seen as a Franchise QB, although there is no doubt that a team will reach due to need.

As long as Reid and Dorsey win, there's no way they'll be "despised".

I don't think your post helped much Dane......

Honestly it looks like we tried harder in 09

Frsnchising Albert is meaningless if we draft an LT and he walks after this season...

Signing a bunch of over-the-hill dumb****s while allowing a HOF TE to walk, along with a DE that nearly led the league in sacks is somehow an improvement over Bowe, Albert, Robinson, Fasano and Smith?

Um, no.

If ***** had been here in 2013, Albert would be gone, Bowe would be gone, Jackson, Dorsey and Cassel would all be on the roster this season.

It is NOT "meaningless".

Furthermore, he IS franchised for this season, so he'll be on the roster.

The sky isn't falling.

Wow I forgot that the Chiefs signed Bobby Ingram and Ashley Lelie that year.

And Zach Thomas, who never suited up for them but sued them.

Oh, and Amani Toomer's press conference.

LMAO

2009 was and still is the worst year in franchise history, bar none. I said it then and in 2013, it still rings true.

Franchising a player 1 season and trading away top draft pick for a 7 year vet while blowing an opportunity to get a franchise QB & having to waste the number 1 pick on that franchise player's replacement is a move you make if you have a chance to win in the playoffs right now IMO.

so Yah, meaningless

Besides retaining our own players, the other moves just aren't doing it for me. For comparsion... DeVito replaces Dorsey-wash. Smith replaces Cassel-slight improvement. Wash. Dunta Robinson replaces Routt? Was he even a Chief? Robinson's decent, but he's an average DB at best. We're not much better, IMO and I used to be a homer at times. We need a big time FA.

1. Albert's fate has yet to be determined.
2. #34 overall isn't a "Top Pick".
3. There are no Franchise QB's in this draft. Period.
4. The league year just began TODAY.
5. The draft is SEVEN weeks away.

There's a lot that can happen between now and draft day in terms of acquiring picks and players.

I'm glad you're optimistic! I disagree with you on 2 & 3........but only time will tell. Heck id love Alex Smith to step in and just pick up right where he left off.....and even get better.

Truthfully last season just killed any optimism I had. Plus I have seen a ton of Alex Smith......not just the last 2 years.

I should probably just stop vcomplaining about Alex now that's its done.


LETS GO CHIEFS

I doubt it. The 2008 team was much worse (atleast it seems) than the 2012 team. Obviously, hindsight is 20/20 but this isn't Pioli anymore, and there seems to be a 'win-now' attitude that Dorsey and Reid have shown.

#34 in a deep draft is an extremely valuable pick if your FO is competent.

2009 is worse than this year, but that doesn't mean it's more disappointing. We had been through two terrible years on the field before 2009. This year has compounded those two years with three other abysmal ones, plus the public humiliation of the franchise, scandal, and a fan revolt, only to end up essentially where we were in 2005-06, with a "Win Now" mantra that is doomed to fail because it lacks the horsepower in the requisite areas.

This could be more disappointing in a lot of ways besides passing on a potential franchise QB.

If the groundwork is not laid for a SB team this offseason, we're probably looking at nothing coming from the careers of Charles, Albert, Bowe, DJ, Hali and Flowers.

Even ***** didn't have that cross to bear, but Dorsey and Reid certainly are on the clock in that regard.

I'm not sure how you can call one 2-14 team much worse than another.

And Dane, I agree that a lot can happen between now and draft day. That's why I phrased it as a question ("Could this end up being a more disappointing offseason than 2009?") rather than as a statement ("This is more disappointing than 2009").

Although I am not particularly enamored with any of the moves so far. Particularly the 2.0 version of the Matt Cassel trade. And that has nothing to do with Geno Smith. I would hate the Alex Smith move regardless of whether I think Geno's a potential franchise player or not. It's just a bad deal to make.

Yeah both were utter crap. But going into this year, I'm feeling better than I was going into 2009. Despite Alex Smith.

We also don't have much in the way of "future" talent on the roster now. Most (sane) people were still extremely enthusiastic about the 2008 draft class in 2009, and Hali and Bowe were both still young. I think people had mostly given up on DJ at that point. But either way, who do we have now like that, that would give any semblence of hope? Houston? Is there anyone else at all? The rest of the "core" (Hali, Bowe, etc) is all 4 years older now, and more likely to decline than to improve. We don't have a big boon of a draft class to start with like we did then.

I think it's entirely possible we're in as deep a hole now as we were then, roster wise.

The biggest difference between 2009 and 2013 for me is coaching.

The Chiefs went from a Super Bowl coach in Vermeil to a playoff coach in Edwards to an inexperienced butt****ing asshole in Haley to maybe the most incompetent head coach in franchise history in Crennel, to a guy that coached his teams to five straight NFC Championships and a Super Bowl.

I see Reid and Dorsey replicating the 2001 Chiefs by passing on a QB in the draft in favor of a QB that can win now. The coaching staff seems solid and there's definitely a plan in place.

Personally, I see this offseason as a success to date.

I haven't seen much from Reid since 2006 that would indicate he's any great shakes. His teams have been mediocre at best since then, and the last two years have been some of the most embarrassing debacles I can ever remember seeing in the NFL. Fantasy (on paper) rosters that just fall apart on the field. It's been fun to watch in a morbid sense, even with what's been going on here. And that's saying something.

A big part of that has to do with taking on personnel and making poor decisions.

There is no way that Andy Reid = Romeo Crennel.

much respect for this post. let's all support this team and alex. If alex picks up where he left off which was an ascending direction then this team can be great.

You guys are missing the biggest difference between this regime and the Pioli regime: Andy Reid won't stand bad QB play.

If Alex Smith starts sucking ass, he's going to draft a QB and replace him. There is no free pass.

He just replaced 2 backup QB's with 2 more backup QB's so he wouldn't have to draft a QB. It's pretty obvious that he could care less about drafting a QB.

ROFL

Next year's draft is arguably WORSE than this year's.

If Alex Smyth sucks, Andy Reid is gonna pull a rabbit out of his ass! You guys watch, he's a ****ing magician!

ROFL

Moron.

10-6 and first round playoff exit. Chiefs fans know greatness!

All the whining because we aren't going to draft a QB 1.1... is getting old. Bad year to have the no. 1 pick, nuff said.

Yet another person that simply doesn't understand the argument.

Gotta say, I was surprised you chugged the Kool (by the gallon). o:-)

yeah... nobody understands how to win but four or five posters on this board that get off riling each other up.

I think fetishizing a second rnd pick is silly.

ROFL

As if that were EVER the argument.

Best offseason ever!

This offseason is disapoint when we don't draft Geno Smith and then draft a LT to play RTotf.

When is KC going to be in position to draft the best QB in the draft?

He's a guru. He doesn't need the best QB in the draft. He can take the 6th-best QB in the draft, work his magic, and trade him for picks!

It's anger over the Smith trade, no? It is not drafting and developing our own QB, right? What sophisticated argument am I missing? Look, I'm not happy with all these moves... but vitriol is laughable.

There were rumors about Reid's interest and pursuit of Alex Smith as early as the first week of February. Andy was hired the first week of January and it took about two weeks to put his staff and Dorsey together.

Andy basically had 2 weeks to evaluate the roster and all potential upgrades. Within those lousy two weeks he decided Alex was his guy. He didn't really give any real consideration to drafting a QB early. His decision was made before the combine. That annoys the hell out of me.

The main difference between now and then is that Reid is more willing to go outside his "tree" to aquire talent.
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9(8.75?) out of 10 teams who get the #1 pick. Get a shinny new QB.

When a team who hasn't drafted a QB in the first round since 1983 gets it? They get Alex Smith, Chase Daniel.

Disappointment venting sounds reasonable to me.

Yeah this. It seems like Andy liked and wanted Alex Smith from a year ago. So Alex Smith was going be the guy regardless of what Geno Smith did at the combine.

Are they still inviting Geno Smith for a private work out? Are they going to WV proday?

This is what I was talking about...

Jesus Christ.

So ****ing glad I cancelled. I'm not sure if this offseason will be worse than 2009, but it's likely going to provide similar results.

In 2009, we traded the 34th overall pick for a game manager QB with a limited skillset.

In 2013, we traded the 34th overall pick for a game manager QB with a limited skillset.

In 2009, we wasted the 3rd overall pick on a valueless postion.

In 2013, we're likely going to waste the only #1 overall pick we've ever had on a valueless position. (RT)

In 2009, we signed a bunch of "low-B" and "C" tier FA's while difference makers went to other teams.

In 2013, we've signed a bunch of "low-B" and "C" tier FA's and not a single difference maker.


The only difference is that the 8-10 win season might come a season earlier, and we'll likely not see the 1st overall pick ever again - but never win anything of substance either. Nothing like making a piss-poor attempt to "win now" when your main competition is a team QB'd by Peyton Manning - who by the way, just got a new toy. A difference maker.

Enjoy your 8 wins a year and your tailgates. Great seats still available.

Which might be why he's been a pretty terrible coach for the last six years.

"no franchise QB in this draft". Pure ass-wiping speculation and NOTHING more.
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Yep, you're right: You're an ass-wiping speculator and NOTHING more.

So we were in hell under pioli now we are back to purgatory.

Yep, you can just hit the brakes right there.
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Feels about the same to me except for Contingent of Logic that are NOT buying this shit sandwich. And so ****ing WHAT if the Chiefs match Vermeil-era "success". What the **** good is that?
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Glad I cancelled as well. I've been paying upwards of $760 a year plus parking, concessions, etc per game for the last 3 seasons. Although some truefan is sure to pick up my seat this year, so it really won't make a difference, but at least I will save plenty of money to take my wife on a nice vacation later this year.

god damn I love seeing two posts like that back to back! Awesome.
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Yes because after 2008 we released something like 35 players, and most people knew this team would suck in 09 (cept a few idiots)

2012 we underperformed, and I think this team is at least a little better than it was off season 09..

So the answer to the OP is clearly yes.

LMAO

It's better than 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 2-14.

What do you feel the goal of the organization should be?

It should CLEARLY be the immediate distribution of red beanies with little gold propellers!
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In 2013? To put best the best possible product on the field in an effort to win back the trust of the local fans and generate good will throughout league circles.

I can tell you for a fact that agents and players avoided Kansas City like the plague since 2009. And it wasn't just Peyton Manning. The Chiefs need to demonstrate that they're a stable franchise committed to winning, which is why they've "slightly" overpaid for solid, veteran players.

Guys haven't exactly been lining up to play for the Chiefs during the past six seasons.

Maybe if Geno was better we wouldn't have this speculation.

Just a thought.

They need to prove they are a gutsy franchise, not an atiquated one. You do that by actually engaging in risk/reward instead of trying to skirt it through archaic team-building philosophies.
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LMAO "Now you Chiefs fans can buy tickets like tools and look like one too!"

Maybe if you were'nt a Kool-Aid chugging reerun, you wouldn't be reeruned. Just a thought.
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Possible.

An additional thought could be "If Geno/Barkley didn't come out after the previous draft netted 3 players that look like future HOFers, would we have this speculation?"


Personally, I suspect not. However, I also think that this entire QB class is getting thrown under the rug.

Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, they're all just doing their damndest to keep the Kansas City Chiefs from finally getting a QB.

Drafting a QB #1 overall just because you need a QB is the kind of logic that leads to JaMarcus Russell going #1 overall.

8 of the 9 teams drafting after us in the top 10 desperately need a QB and there's no hype for Geno or teams offering 3 first round picks to move up. This just isn't the draft to take a QB #1

I'm already more disappointed. It's déjà vu all over again. I don't see a scenario where this ends up as the Chiefs being a contender year in and year out. It's more like being Smoking Bert Cooper. Was t very good but had a hell of a punch lol

Sadly, stable means 7-9 to 9-7 every year until Reid is fired.

If that is what it means to you, then you are an idiot.

Deja vu?

1) New HC and GM.
2) HC selects cronies from previous coaching experience
3) Select back-up QB from other team. Pay him top money.
4) Think he's the next Tom Brady.
5) Purposely sign the worst back up QBs so that they will not threaten their dream of turning said back-up QB into a franchise QB.
6) Purposely pass up QBs in draft
7) Tell fans that it is a "process"
8) sign a bunch of cheap scrub free agents

How can you say that you've seen this before?

That's what it means to the majority of the fan base. From what I have seen on social media sites they just don't wanna suck they don't care about being good.