You want him to say the QB is up for grabs? SP use to always say every spot is an open competition. Guess that was a lie. I would absolutely hope the QB they possibility are giving up two twos for is the unquestioned starter right now.

Yeah, i guess the coaching staffs in SF had a lot of success with Alex. Must be the reason they're still there, right.

WTF? Who here wanted to get rid of Rich Gannon. You have your history all ****ed up man.

Some of you are really just plain idiotic. They have done nothing.but make this team better but you guys are still crying about the trade and Geno. We have an all world coaching staff that will win a lot more than they lose.

Pioli cut Pollard which wasn't a huge deal, but he was clearly a starter-quality player for whom we got nothing. A bigger example of the difference between now and then was his Tony Gonzalez trade. Pioli was shedding our better players while Reid/Dorsey are retaining them.

It's a different approach because the beginning of the Reid/Dorsey regime isn't really that similar to the beginning of the Pioli regime.

Not really a good example. Young started 19 games , barely over a season before Tampa bay gave up on him. Smith has started 75. young was still somewhat unknown, Smith isn't.

Wow. They are really high on him.

Actually Smith's last 2 seasons have been his best and he still sucks and got benched

We won two games. I don't care about getting better. I care about winning a Super Bowl. We aren't going to win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith as our QB.

Good lord. I didn't leave out details because I was pointing out differences. That's all that was relevant to my argument. You said they were the same. That was obviously wrong even though there are always going to be some similarities.

You're the one who specified 2009, not me.

Watching the press conference just now it looked to me like there were three guys sitting there knowing this was an unpopular decision.

Yup. ASs isn't good enough for a coach that is actively trying to win a SB but he's good enough for us!

I'm really happy for you guys.

Yeah, I know. It was a mistake for you to bring them up since it had nothing to do with the argument.

I hope Alex Smith throws 25 TD's and gets us a playoff victory this year so people will just STFU for two ****ing seconds.

Trollololololololo

Whoa, Alex Smith is NOT the same as Scatterarm J-Marc; in fact, if anything...he's the opposite.

27-7

Even in this ideal scenario that season will inevitably be followed up with a postseasonless 7-9 and 5-11, so what's the point?

You're just talking out of your ass.

Mike Nolan was a bad head coach, regardless of the QB. Mike Singletary had NO business as a head coach.

JFC.

Alex played and won games and was short of SB. Even though his play was conservative or "game manager" he made the big play when needed. He didn't shit the bed like Cassel when managing games. What makes you so sure that he's going to suck so bad?

He sucks? Sure, we'll draft one. We know we have a coach who will do it. He overpaid for Alex and this makes me think he'll give up what it takes to draft one. He did it when he believed McCNab was the answer. He went after Namdi when he wanted a CB and gave Vick a chance even though no one wanted him.


I'll give Alex a year. Because he played good enough to earn it.

Drafting a 3rd or 4th round QB will be an icing in the cake.
Posted via Mobile Device

Not really trying to prove a point, just making an observation/asking the question.

I'm not as convinced that we know for a fact that we've seen the best out of Alex Smith. Some of you are...more power to you, especially if you end up being right.

I'd rather wait and see where Alex Smith, Geno, and Barkley measure up after the next 2-3 years before I decide what the right call was. That's just me though. But I am guessing there were some 49er fans that had to end up eating crow regarding Steve Young.

That approach didn't work when MR. Shit-for-brains-Pioli considered the QB postion was set after trading for Matt Cassel. It resulted in him ignoring the postion in the draft and passing on genuine talent. It also, got him fired. I prefer there be real competition between our mediocre and crappy QBs. At least that way, the team gets to field the best guy for the job. This totaly stinks of a major contract extention before Smith does a damn thing. Hey if you are going to ruin your team then go all out and screw it up for the long haul.

This is hilarious.
You expected the general manager of an organization to flame his newest employee?!!

Ried benched and traded Donavan, he benched Vick, he traded Kolb, He will throw Alex under the bus if he needs to.

CP when things do not go according to their wishes.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpp4aasUuK1qclt3z.gif

A D is always better than F but all are the same really.

We arguably got the best coach in the market (A proven one).

We arguably got the best GM candidate in the market.

If they make a move that CP does't like, they'll be nullified and those who support them will be labeled mediocre wiener buffers.

I hated the Alex trade at first, but after thinking about it, I would say it was a safe gamble. We have all the history to prove that the people managing the team will draft a first round QB if they have to.

How am I trolling? I like Alex Smith.

If coach would have put me in, I'd have been in the Hall of Fame

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...vC_dH3YOQO70ZD

"Alex Smith Can throw a football over those mountains, It is Science"

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...DYwp1_1Mksu_mw

*Andy Reid after 6 months on the 810 endorsed cookie diet.

My first reaction hearing the comments about Smith and the future is to throw up. Reality is, no matter what their actual opinion is, they obviously weren't going to bash the guy. Supporting a guy you just gave up great(sigh) picks for is expected. My issue is that I don't see them getting a guy to push Alex, especially with the Daniel signing.

If there is one part of the Pioli regime I can not relive, it's the fact that there was never any hope or alternative in the cupboard. It's only been a few months, but I do worry about this, whether it's fair to the regime or not.

I believe, that if they thought there was a qb in this draft that they were sold on, they wouldnt of signed Chase Daniels.

They clearly werent sold on geno, or barkley, and instead are going to take a one year flyer on alex smith, and re-evaluate.

to be fair, Harbaugh took Singletary's 6-10 team to the NFC Championship the next year, so it would be pretty unfair to put that on Alex Smith.

Draft is not over yet.

It's very likely they'll draft one.

I love how some people say Dorsey/Chiefs got the best QB available, why are people complaining? It's like going to a used car lot and the only car on the lot is a 1983 Yugo. Well I got the best car available.

No shit?

http://i.imgur.com/VUmou.gif

My daughter keeps bringing home these boyfriends that seem nice. In a few weeks she has bruises and blackeyes. Then I run them off.

She just brought home another nice guy. This one has a real hate of the Raiders. I'm going out of town for 4 months or so and hope for the best.

off a LOCKOUT.......

What the ****?

Get your shit together Dicky Ward

I'm proud to say I'm one of the 100 or so who voted D on kcchiefs.com

yeah. because JIM ****ING HARBAUGH isn't the best coach in the league (other than maybe sean payton or mike mccarthy) at getting the most from their QBs.

Andy Reid, sans donovan mcnabb, is VERY pedestrian with QBs

Yeah wow i dont even...

I basically didnt post here for a week after the Axl signing, i had to try and make sense of it, get over it first... to put it lightly i was not and am not JIMPING.

But that comparison is THE biggest exaggeration i've seen in a long time, even worse than saying wes welker is the playmakingest playmaker currently playing.

Good for you. Enjoy being miserable this season.

i can see that.

You cant spell douche,

Without D!!!!

Hold on for the ride then. That's the opinion of 90% of people around here it seems (though I'm not one of them).

Being a Chief fan is like being a fan of the movie 'Ishtar', and returning to watch. It again again at the theatre.

I voted D. Frickin 85% of the fans there think its an A or B :huh:

Think I'm glad I completely ignored the circle jerk pc.

But you're just in time for the ongoing circle jerk around here. :p

I hate this saying but its true - it is what it is - instead of a bad game manager, we now have a good one.

He's proven that under the right tutelage, on a team with solid talent on both sides, he can get you to the doorstep of the big game... i mean hey, thats a start.

Its too late to change teams, and i love football too much to stop caring... so all i can do is hope for the best.

I'd just like for you "crybabies" to stop acting as if your taints were ripped to shreds because the Chiefs traded for the best available option in 2013.

I'd recommend watching it.

There are three disparate personalities on display, IMO.

1. Andy Reid, who's ridiculously confident.
2. Alex Smith, who seems to be uneasy and slightly uncomfortable, yet tries to pretend he has some sort of comfort level with Kansas City.
3. John Dorsey, who IMO, comes off as a hybrid between Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli.

It's interesting, to say the least.

Only with some of the fan base. The vast majority of this site are against the trade but other Chiefs boards, the majority seem to be okay or fine with the deal.

But those other sites and fans will turn on him pretty quick if he stinks up the joint. If he comes in here and throws a good ball, doesn't turn it over and they win....... even this site will rejoice in being wrong.

Alex Smith will win over 60% of the fan base by mid-season with his play. Then lose 90% of those fans in next years draft. Unless a Super Bowl is imminent, you'll always look for something better than Alex Smith.

Yeah I just voted D on KCChiefs.com on the fan poll their. 85% of the fans their thought it was an A or B.

I think you read their body language completely wrong.

The fact of the matter is that 99% of the fan base LOVES these moves, especially the move for Smith.

It's only 12-15 or so outspoken members of Chiefsplanet, that continually spam each and every thread with Jeno's Pizza and bring up Alex Smith's numbers prior to having an actual coaching staff in place, that are unhappy.

Venture anywhere else and you'll find plenty of happy campers.

I've only seen 1 press conference w/ Dorsey but he seems genuinely awkward when being interviewed/asked questions on the podium.

I had pizza for like the first time in 2 months last weekend.

It was most excellent.

He's never had to do any sort of PC prior to this, so the awkwardness is understandable. As long as he knows how to evaluate talent, he can take a shit on the table at ever PC and I won't care.

And this is the truth of the matter: As much as people didn't love the Trent Green trade on Chiefsplanet (me included), once the team began to win and the offense soar, everyone forgot that the Chiefs could have drafted Drew Brees instead of trading for Trent Green.

It was only the failure of the front office to find average to above average defensive players that the fans turned on Carl and Dick.

I wanted Geno too. I think we overpaid for Smith. But, I'm willing to wait till mid season before going full throat WTF on the Reid/Dorsey era.

Me too...

There are over 1,000 Chiefs fans out there that gave this trade an A...My god.

I'm with you this. Alex Smith could turn out to be the wrong move, but on the other hand, he might really excel under Andy Reid. I'm excited for the season and the new regime.

Everyone is acting little ****s and IS so annoying.

What I find obnoxious is that that opinion is now being lumped in with people who supported Cassel last year as "true fans." Giving the new guys a chance to prove they know what they're doing <> assuming they will always know what's right forever.

If the Chiefs win a single playoff game, the price of a 2nd round pick will have been worth it to this franchise and their fan base, especially if you consider there have been only three such wins in 42 years.

Totally. I don't give a flying **** as to how he interviews or comes off at press conferences if he does his job well.


Like you said, it just seems like clearly a guy with limited experience with the media, etc.

I know it would take me a few times before I'd be good at it. However, my press conferences would resemble Dana White's in all likelihood. "**** you Teicher, ask me a real ****ing question not some ****ing bullshit you stole from another website"

Q: What's the difference between a bad game manager and a good one?

A: A few wins, none of them in the playoffs.


A game manager is a game manager. Not good enough to put a team on his back and win a championship if necessary.

Alex Smith was surrounded by a Super Bowl roster, and had a miserable 3rd down conversion rate (sacked three times), costing his team a chance at a championship in 2011.

In 2012, surrounded by talent, he racked up a whopping 200 yards per game before losing his job to a 2nd year player who had no experience.

So, to recap...

He couldn't take the most (arguably) talented team in the league to the SB in 2011, and lost his job to a virtual rookie in 2012, but he's going to come to a 2-14 team and be a franchise QB?

I swear, the arguments for Alex Smith are damn near identical to the arguments made for Matt Cassel in 2009. And Cassel accomplished more in 2008 than Smith has in ANY of his 7 seasons.

Yeah, you've proven your brilliance time after time on this site.

I'm sure you're right and everyone else is wrong.

This is all over the fan base. It's only this site that is already hostile to the new regime. Either the Planet lacks the vision to see Reed/Dorsey's game plan for victory or we are the only ones seeing the looming disaster and wasted years.

Reid has the ability to the get most he can out of the QB position and he'll be calling the plays. I'm optimistic about how he'll use Smith's assets and minimize his weaknesses. The offense should be vastly improved which will also help the defense.

I love how everyone throws around that the 49ers were the most talented team when they had nearly the exact same roster in 2009 and 2010, no one was calling them the most talented back then. They get a real coach and all of a sudden they're the most talented team in the league.

Uh Uh. Matt Cassel has never won a playoff game.:D

guys numbers weren't that great WITH actual coaches
Posted via Mobile Device

This is why I was hoping for the end of the world Dec 21 2012 but NO the ****ing Mayans got it wrong douchebags. It was probably a joke on all of us 500 years ago Mayan trololoes. ****ers.

It's that 99% of this fanbase doesn't view perpetual mediocrity as "disaster" or "wasted years."

The 1% have seen this movie before, and know how it ends. It's like watching Titanic 29 times and on the 30th viewing, thinking the ship is going to be fine.

Or as Scott Wright put it, it's like stopping at $8,000 on Who Wants to be a Millionaire - sure, it's nice money, but it's not life-changing.

This fanbase is content with mediocrity.

That's what I'm counting on. Reid needs to get this offense to be able to throw TDs in the redzone.

The arguments may be identical but the two men are not.

Look, I understand and support your decision to cancel your season tickets. I would never in a million years tell someone how to spend their money and quite frankly, I'd give this regime at least a full year (if not two) before I plunked down any money, let alone, season tickets.

But Reid and Dorsey aren't Haley and Pioli. Reid has a proven track record of success. While he made the mistake of trying to take on personnel decisions and coach a football team, there's no denying the fact that when he was just a football coach, he was among the best in the game.

I don't believe that John Dorsey has been "Peter Principled" like Scott Pioli. It was obvious early on that Pioli was in over his head, from his free agency decisions to the draft to allowing his head coach to hire Clancy Pendergast, to allowing his head coach to fire Chan Gailey a week before the season and so on.

I don't know if John Dorsey will be a stellar GM or an average GM. But so far, he's re-signed his best players and franchised his LT. He's done a nice job of acquiring solid veterans in free agency and he identified the best available QB and traded for him. He's hasn't put on a show, hasn't made a spectacle of himself and has generally stayed out of the limelight.

I've seen Alex Smith over the years on many, many occasions. Sometimes he's been great, other times, not. But I watched him go into Denver on the last game of the season and knock the Broncos clear out of the playoffs. I've watched him "will" his team and up and down the field and I watched him quite a bit in 2011 and 2012.

What I've seen is NOTHING like Matt Cassel. The guy doesn't roll into a ball or take phantom sacks. If anything, he's need to throw the ball away (which he has improved upon). And it wasn't until 2011 that he finally had a decent offensive line in which to protect him, but he's never had DICK for wide receivers.

The bottom line is that the comparison between Cassel and Smith, regardless of the "stats", are absolutely invalid and inconsequential.

IMHO, a playoff win would be worth more than a lousy 2nd rounder. 19 ****ing years of waiting........ damn right thats worth a 2nd rounder.

No, this fan base isn't content with mediocrity. Hell, this fan base hasn't SEEN mediocrity, well, EVER.

4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9, 2-14 is NOT mediocrity.

This team has either been very good or outright shit. For the past six seasons, this team has been outright shit. For the Chiefs to move forward and not lose their entire fan base, they've needed to make moves to at least reach mediocrity.

There's still free agency and the draft ahead. There will likely be cut downs in August as well. I expect this team to improve and if they "only" go 8-8 this season, I'll be stoked.

It sure beats the ****ing hell out of 2-14.

Exactly.

WITH Harbaugh and a SB-caliber surrounding cast, he averaged 200 yards per game. Thank God for the Buffalo game, or his numbers would be even more dismal.

25% of his starts last year resulted in under 150 yards passing.

Only one game over 240 yards.

Brutal.