Eh. LT was a better player, yes. However, until Vick was out of football for 3 years LT had 4 Pro Bowls & Vick had 3. The teams had the same number of wins & playoff appearances. Vick was going to be 27 years old, entering the beginning of the prime for quarterbacks, coming off of two straight Pro Bowls. At the time he was a top-10 QB. I'll take a top-10 QB over a top-3 RB.

Post after post what I gather from you is that QB is not the most important position on the field.

What I'm trying to say is that you can have the best player to ever live at certain positions, and it won't matter if your QB sucks the shit.

More often than not, an Elite QB goes to/wins the superbowl.
Every once in a great while, a mediocre one can do it when surrounded by a great team.

I'd think it's easier to find that 1 guy, than finding the "right 53".

Ok, I LOL'd.

... and lost them right? Should I be using Heath Shuler, Carson Palmer, Tim Couch, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, or any of a bajillion other highly-touted saviors instead?

Then the conventional wisdom is dumb.

Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he had a better team around him, including a RB, and an offensive system that took full advantage of his immense natural abilities.

Yup yet the chiefs try it the hardest possible way and have failed time and time again. Then the organization keeps trying to do it that way.

It's mind boggling that it keeps happening. The chiefs are the only franchise in the nfl keeps trying it this way. Shouldn't that tell the fans hey this is wrong.

pat's stuck in the 80's-90's. He's repeatedly undervalued the QB position all over this board. I'd say he should just stick to the DC forum but he's just as lost over there. Sad story.

Why do you guys continue to torment yourselves?

It's the Chiefs way.

I'm not sure what eating corn on the cob thru a picket fence has anything to do with this, but ok.

But they tried they gave it a shot. The chiefs don't try. They just submit to striving for mediocre.

Masochists.

Geno Smith had a very good pro day. 60-64 passes, 2 passes were drops.

@tweetydimes: "@ByJimCorbett: Geno Smith finished sharp throwing showcase 60 of 64 with two drops both by Stedman Bailey great zip, accuracy on move

You're not getting me then. QB is by far the most important position on the field. But a bad QB isn't better than a good player at another position. And drafting isn't a game of pure chance like roulette where the only way to win is to take a chance and it doesn't really matter which spin you bet on.

I'm in favor of making it *the* top priority to find an elite QB. I don't agree that the only way to pursue that goal is to use the first pick of *this* draft on a QB. I'm not saying that is a bad approach, I'm just saying that it's not a no-brainer good approach like many around here believe. That belief comes primarily from what I'll call a "roulette mindset" (based on an assumption of pure chance) no matter how many youtube videos these people watch to help them rationalize their position.

So the elite QB can't do it alone and you essentially agree with the point I was making (that judging a player exclusively on the basis of team performance is foolish) even if you think you were undermining it.

If the Chiefs drafted Geno Smith, I would buy season tickets, and I live 1600 miles away.

As it stands, Buffalo will be trading up. They absolutely need to make a huge splash at the QB position or they're fanbase is going to bail. Sounds really familiar, but at least THEIR owner is aware of it.

I've never undervalued the QB position.

yep, spent too much for Alex Smith to turn around and draft Geno Smith.



sorry :huh:

28/32 teams were at Genos pro day including Chiefs, Jaguars, Raiders, and Bills. No Cardinals.

Trying (in one particular way) might be enough for you, but it's not enough for me.

The Arizona Cassinals.

And trading Herschell Walker for ten thousand picks

And they were able to keep their talent due to no salary cap.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=905...medium=twitter

Geno interview at pro day

How much salary would Geno get if he was drafted #1?

I live 16 miles away, and I'm waiting to see if we draft Geno before I get tickets or not.

About 5 mil a year.

Just guessing, but less than A. Smith.

Agree. The disturbing part was the press conference where Alex Smith was named the unquestionable starter. Don't care what he did for the 9ers, he hasn't done anything yet for the Chiefs. If he is in fact the best qb on our roster, he's the starter. Just reeks of Casselism from the FO, but I hope I'm wrong.

I'd rather they drafted a qb somewhere, even if it's not the preferred geno, and then give the best guy the job.

Wow.


That is a cheap investment. This can still happen.

Dana talking about how hot Geno is;

http://blogs.nfl.com/2013/03/14/geno...medium=twitter

I blame Dick Cheney.

Lol.

I realize nobody gives a shit ... but drafting a QB #1 after trading for Alex Smith would be like dropping an atomic bomb. Alex Smith would be totally undermined considering he just lost his job to a draft guy in San Fran. Alex Smith didn't feel support from his organization before.

I just don't see how it could possibly happen.

Whats even more disturbing, is that he won't be the starter come week 17

Hey, that's fine. I have zero problem with Geno coming in and sitting behind Alex, as unlikely as it sounds to have a top draft pick sit the bench.

There are stories out there where Kaepernick talks about Alex being a great teammate after he was benched. Kap called him an extra coach on the field.

And just **** right off with whatever you're about to type in response, B14ckmon.

Let me dream, if only for another month.


I still want to get more picks and draft another project QB.

sorry, my bad.


carry on

Not with the chiefs cap room not gonna pay someone 5m to ride the bench.

So, if we had him, Alex, and Chase all on the roster it be roughly a 16.5 cap hit?

Nah, I am not a Hardcore Geno fan. Thank goodness.

A true possibility, given him being prone to injury.

Surely Reid and Dorsey know that the more quarterbacks you have, the better, right? And that this is a QB driven league?

Smith > Cassel
Geno > Quinn
Chase > Stanzi

****ing do it.

Unless he knew he was a place holder. Regardless he'll get at least 1 full season at the starter with no pressure since they brought in Daniel to be the backuup.

Remind me - how much was Cassel going to cost us this year, had Pioli been here and kept him?

I think 7M?

I get the point you're making, but Alex Smith or any other QB shouldn't need to be coddled. Show a little mental fortitude and go out and take the ****ing job, instead of being all pissy they took a QB with the first pick.

We all have very fresh memories of what happened with the Chiefs the last time the front office chose to baby their starting QB.

You're right. I was getting Cassel's and Jackson's cap numbers flipped in my head.

I agree. Show me a coddled QB and I will show you a loser.

The veteran trade.
The local hero.
The first overall pick.

EVERYONE WOULD BE HAPPY. PERIOD.

Drafting Geno would immediately rejuvenate every single fan of this franchise. Every person who cares about the Chiefs would have at least one guy they were rooting for to win the job and succeed.

It's quite simply the boldest, strongest, most energizing move you could make for a franchise that has floundered for twenty years. It's the only thing that makes any ****ing sense. Take one offseason, and like Andy Reid said, address the QB position through "trade, free agency, and the draft."

You would have done all three, reclaimed your fan base, injected pure hope and confidence into your team's future, and bought your front office and coaching staff years of development with the players.

It's the only thing to do.

Which is why it won't happen.

Oh, and anyone saying that you don't draft the number one QB and sit him as some kind of arbitrary rule of football can **** right off. You get your QB no matter what, and I don't care if you do it by drafting a left tackle and having HIM play QB. However you get that franchise guy, however you develop him, is the right way.

You don't have to tell me honey. Have you seen his ass do work in those tights? :p

I hope so. And don't call me Shirley.

Honestly, especially after the Daniels pickup, I didn't think Geno was a possibility.

The more I keep thinking about it, it would be stupid if it weren't true.

Seeing 17+ as his cap # is etched permanently into my brain, even if he won't receive it this year.

WVSports.com ‏@WVSportsDotCom

RT @marc_b: Still waiting on Geno for his post Pro Day presser. Word is he's still talking with the #Jaguars #WVUProDay

Sweet. Keep talking to the Jags, bro. Let everybody know that the only way to get Geno is to trade up to #1.

Will do.

I'm with you bro. It worked to end WWII with Japan, it may as well end our Super Bowl drought too.

I want to see a Mel Kiper and Todd McShay atomic shadow.

Joeckel will look pretty awesome in a Jags jersey.

Yup I think the Jags take Joeckel.

I've been seeing Fisher mocked to them a little as well. I wouldn't be suprised to see Lane Johnson jump up there and grab that spot though.

It's all going to work out for you B14ckmon.

Joeckel moves to RT for the 1st year and then takes over after Eugene Monroe is gone next year.

No chance the Jaguars take a OT. They never get our pick right because they never pay attention to us or do homework.

You have to be some kind of loser to be a Jaguar fan (LMAO) trolling a Chiefs board about Geno.

Rock bottom: You've hit it.

Have you ever given them a reason to?

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

ESPN's Todd McShay on Geno Smith: "The #Jaguars are meeting with him as we speak. They have a lot of interest. #Raiders rumored as well."

They ain't smart enough to fly banners

I assume Blackmon (or whatever its name is) is still trying to gove full blown aids to the board. "Univeral Ignore" is AWESOME

That's going to be just ****ing great.

We blew our ****ing load on Alex Smith and Chase Daniel while a team like the Jags or Raiders get Geno Smith. The Chiefs better start talking the Bills into how much they want our ****ing pick.

Not #1 material. Would be a reach there. Fine to pick him #2 though.

Like the two AFC Championship games? When we knocked Elway out of the playoffs? When we destroyed Marino and the dolphins in his last game in the NFL? When we beat the Steelers in the Wild Card Game and then came close to beating the Patriots?

And I am trolling by posting stuff about Geno...in a Geno Pro Day thread? Get the **** out of here lol

PAY ATTENTION TO US!!!!! WE CAME CLOSE!!!!

Take it easy Francis...

Yeah....it's going to be awesome watching Alex Smith get close to 200 yards a game and take 3-4 sacks.

FYP

Is it just me or has there been a lot of Jags fans trolling here (in good fun) lately. More than Denver fans...

LMAO
I'm assuming sarcasm.

Todd McShay ‏@McShay13

Geno Smith put on a show. Tavon Austin stole the show!