Hyperbole much?

I wouldn't go that far but it would be using our best pick in team history to tread water.

I hate the idea of creating a hole you don't have to and then using a high pick to fill it.

No, I don't believe so.

Pioli never had a pick that high, and never got nothing out of it.

You are missing the point entirely, besides the fact that with the new CBA, no team is going to mortgage their future on any position other than a QB.

Scott Pioli hired Romeo Crennel and kept Matt Cassel around with nothing behind him for four years while apparently forcing his coaches to keep playing him. I think the Chiefs could dump their entire offensive line and use their first five picks on offensive linemen and they wouldn't match Pioli's feats.

LMAO

It is true.. I have entirely missed the point about how we are (a) stuck in a win-now mode, and (b) that is bad. We finally have a FO going out and getting good players to fill gaping holes in our roster, from the last FO, and we are complaining that they are trying to win?

I am trying to understand the point, but I really don't.

Yes, he does actually.

Jacksonville is working on it. They're shoe-ins for Super Bowl L.

Pioli wasted nearly 4 drafts. I like Berry, Hudson, and Houston but that's about it. I mean, we're talking b/u players for the most part.

I'm talking about one for one. In a vacuum. In a moment. Not over four years.

The Chiefs dump Albert and pick Joeckel.

Find one decision Pioli made that was worse.

Define the word "dump"

I'm good with any of those scenarios other than allowing him to play out his tender.

I'm not comparing 4 drafts to one pick.

The closest thing would be drafting Tyson Jackson #3, but at least you got something for the pick. You added something, however miniscule.

**** Albert for Joeckel.

This. Trading Albert and going for Joeckel will just be another move that flies in the face of win now.

The moves this front office is making are just baffling as they're fairly mediocre moves with little real upside, so if they're looking to win now they're really expecting the coaches to make a lot of difference. Reid said him and Dorsey believe you build through the draft, and I think that's the plan, its just a shame they felt the need to give up what they did for Alex Smith, but I think it was considered necessary (major need at QB, need someone they can realistically trot out as successful move to fans and players). I just hope they're not as married to it as they act like they are because I think its going to bite them bad.

I'm not at all impressed with the moves this front office is making thus far. Only time will tell if I hate the Alex Smith trade as much as the Cassel one or not, the rest is pretty meh (to me those moves look more like they're just plain filling needs more than have any real belief they're "win now" moves although I think they're hoping to sell fans on that). We'll see about the draft but I have a feeling I'm not going to be any more impressed with them after it.

It would save approximately $5 million against the cap and give them another four to five years before possibly replacing him.

That's all I've got.

Excellent point. But I'd still prefer that they not let Albert walk and replace him 1.1.

We need a trade down to recoup that 2nd rounder.

All evidence points to the fact they will NOT be as maniacally married to Smith as Pioli was to Cassel. Reid has shown over and over that he is willing to change his mind on players to help his team succeed.

Would you trade Albert for Joeckel and Use Miami 2nd round pick on Margus Hunt DE

No.

Peter King. ' Nuf said.

Roughly equivalent to the Tyson Jackson deal, unless Margus Hunt is the second coming of JJ Watt.

That's my only hope is Smith is a guy they can trot out for some middling short term success then bench his ass once they find someone better.

Reid's success is going to be dependent on Alex Smith. All this puffery about Albert/Joeckel is meaningless. It doesn't matter that Pioli drafted Jax or Berry. It was all about Cassel.

Unless he surprises us all and drafts a QB in the early rounds to sit behind Alex Smith for a season or two...

IMHO, he will do the Pioli "competition" model when it comes to QB.

I think you can safely hold onto that hope then.

My hope, personally, is that Smith continues to improve as a QB as he has done each year in the league. In the last two years he lost only 6 games out of 27 and threw 35 TD's against only 10 interceptions. Passer ratings of 90.7 and 104.1. Lead a team to the NFC championship and got a team in position for a Super Bowl run. So, that's my hope.

But if he doesn't.. I'm sure Reid and Dorsey will look elsewhere.

He never has followed that model in the past, so I'm not sure why he would suddenly start now. Pioli's competition model was epic fail, and not the norm.

Did he ever follow the model to trade two early draft picks for a career average starter and then take the stage with his GM and declare that player to be the QBOTF?

so we're using the highest pick we've ever had as a franchise (well, tied for highest--we had the first overall pick when we picked buck buchanan, but we traded cotton davidson to the raiders to get said pick) JUST FOR A PLAYER WE'RE GOING TO LET GO AFTER HIS FIRST CONTRACT?

that's ****ING STUPID

By citing enough specifics you have fallen out of any particular move he has made, but we can extrapolate based on the whole of all his previous moves. And he is renowned for saying someone is his starting QB and promptly switching QBs.

I really don't see the immense worry here; I think we're just still a little shell-shocked from *****'s insanity.

Hey Man, I just provided the info.

Essentially using the 1.1 to save money...

Yep.

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Updating from owners meetings, I think the Dolphins could offer a No. 2 pick to KC to land LT Branden Albert. They have 2 No. 2s

Margus Hunt is stiffer than a 14 year old's pecker watching the Victoria Secret TV special.

No lateral ability at all. He's going to get absolutely destroyed by NFL guards.

If you want that type of guy, you draft Joe Kruger at the top of the 4th round. Someone is really going to overpay/overdraft Hunt. I hope it's not the Chiefs.

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get out that KY, because the Chiefs are gonna get RAPED

We swapped Brandon Albert for Alex Smith....and moved down in the 2nd round? Sign me up! :facepalm:

Let me get this straight.

An in his prime LT, who only allowed 1 sack last year, and has been a top 10 pass blocker two years in a row...is only worth a 2nd round pick?

No way I trade a franchised player for a 2 unless said player is a punter.

keyword: offer

We're already dealing with Schwartz/Stephenson/Allen at RT. That's a question mark as it is.

Dorsey would whore out Albert for a ****ing 2nd round pick so he can start a goddamned rookie at LT?

****ing fail. That better not ****ing happen. We need a hell of a lot more compensation than that.

Seriously....and I don't care how much shit I get for this. But if we trade Albert and start Joeckel at LT.....I'm going to laugh my ass off every time he gets raped and Alex Smith gets destroyed.

No team is giving a first up then giving him a long term deal.

Trust Reid and Dorsey to do the right thing. They deserve the benefit of the doubt. /Alex Smith

Minimum.

Then, move down to a team that wants Geno and take a left tackle.

The best would be moving back to 2 so Jacksonville can take Geno and are willing to move next years first to get him...then, flipping the 2 slot with Detroit so they can select the OT they have fallen in love with and we get one of the three LTs. Maybe we take a 2 from the Lions and a pick next year for moving to 5.

That's asking for too much, I understand that, but we simply can't stay at 1 and take a LT.

The Jets cant even get a first for Revis but you think Albert is worth a first?

I can't even possibly imagine someone being that dumb.

As C.E. said, you've got a guy going into the prime years of his career, a guy who has finally "got it" in terms of the game and is playing some pretty good ball right now at the third most important position on a football team and the talking heads think that a second rounder is a viable offer?

F.U.

You don't franchise a guy, especially a left tackle who is entering only his fifth season in the league, and trade him for a second round pick then put in a rookie who may or may not be worth two shits.

Mind. Blown.

If Dorsey is desperate to get rid of Albert, we need to start the bidding at the Dolphins' FIRST round pick. Albert is worth even more than that, but there's no way the Dolphins would pay even the first round pick.

This trading Albert idea is just a complete ****ing shithole of rape to begin with. Nothing good will likely come of it. The Chiefs won't get properly compensated and the Dolphins will likely overpay for what they could just draft themselves.

Albert wants $16 million a year? Albert is coming off of an ACL tear?

Apples and Oranges.

Conversely, would you be angry if he were to do really well?

So your gonna give up a first for Albert then pay him 9 to 10m a year? Miami will just draft LT before they do that deal.

Nope.....but Brandon Albert and LT at 1.1 would be linked for their careers.

It's not a good time in the NFL to trade players. The draft slotting as made draft choices insanely valuable.

If the NFL were this way when the Chiefs were trying to trade Jared Allen, it would have been the exact same thing. We sure as **** wouldn't be getting Minnesota's 1st and two of their 3rds.

There is still a difference.

1. You're paying a known commodity $9 million a year.
2. The LT you draft in the 1st round had a guaranteed contract. Brandon Albert will not.

just say no to taking a tackle in the top 5.

Which is why it's ****ing lunacy for KC to trade him.

Pay the man and move on. Joeckel and Fisher can be had in ANY ****ing draft year. It's not like there's never a surplus of great tackles in the draft.

O i agree pay him but No one here knows what Albert is asking for or even if he wants to stay in KC.

Who cares?

The Chiefs have added a LOT of new faces to their team this year. Anybody getting worried that Andy Reid will do to them what he did to the Eagles in 2011?

I can't remember the last team who was active in free agency like this who did all that well during the season. It takes time for these guys to play together. By saving cap space what are we really doing? Saving it so we can go out and get another ****ing free agent?

We've got enough of those. Time to try to make some of them work out okay. Lay low and put together some decent drafts for the first time in 4 years.

But if Dorsey and Reid HAVE decided to move on, then trade him, even for a second round pick.

It's better than drafting a LT with a high first round pick, only to let Albert walk this year or next.

I'm not worried at all.

For one, Reid didn't have Dorsey as his GM. Secondly, they haven't handed out exorbitant contracts to miscreants and "Me-First" guys.

What he's worth in trade, and worth to us don't necessarily match. Trade value may be a 2, but for that I'm keeping him around.

The only way another team can acquire him for less than 2 firsts, is to agree with us on a trade. They can offer what they want, we aren't forced to say yes.

I Blame Pioli for this 4 years of awful drafts. Andy needs to fill holes.

Why do people continue to bang away at the "One sack" mantra?

They guy didn't start every game last year.

They'd be the first HC/GM combo I know of that are given an in-his-prime LT who allowed one sack all goddamned year and said, "...naaah don't really want him."

If the complaint about Albert is he isn't a roadgrader, it's not like run blocking is his forte or anything. Albert's a damn good LT in protection, which is exactly what they're planning on using him to do.

This went out the door the minute Albert signed the tender.

He played in 13 games.

Even if you don't care about that, his two-year run of excellence, and the fact that he's just entering his prime, is more than enough to say he's worth more than a second round pick.

I want both 2s that's fair value for a franchise LT in his prime

Albert was a damn good LT last season playing for two shitass QBs that didn't do him any favors. The "one sack" mantra is just an easier thing to cite than going down the list of Albert's successes every time you want to talk about how good he is.

Not gonna be a dick here but the Chiefs did run a lot last year.

Do you wonder if his back is effed up like is rumored?

So then the only way he can be acquired is to trade for him. We don't have to sell at sub Wal-Mart prices. :doh!:

So he allowed more than one sack last year?

And by the way, even extrapolated over 16 games he still only allows 1.33 sacks last year.
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You are being a dick, because on a per-snap basis, Albert was among the league leaders in least pressure allowed.

I'm sure it is. If I ran the Chiefs I'd guarantee $10,000,000 to him without checking that out. For sure!

We also had shit QB play so 1 sack is still good IMO