Does Reid handle contracts?

So you think Reid had nothing to do with Vick getting the deal he got?

If he didn't view his as a franchise QB, the Gm signed him to a deal of that caliber without the ok from his HC?

That's how I'd handle it/Pioli

I'm sure Reid said we need to sign Vick. I don't think he came up with amount. Reid still likes Vick. Before he restructured, I thought Vick was the frontrunner to come here. Reid had some glowing words about him.

So, yes, I'll take back Vick, Reid thought he was a franchise QB.

Answer the question

Joeckel doesn't fit Reid's "LT" players, based on history.

I'll bet you anything we dont have the 2nd overall pick next year.

How does that count? He was already up top. I said, "sell the house to move UP and secure a QB".
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Marginal at best

Say what the **** you will, they did what had to be done. And if you can't get behind that kind of move, then you obviously don't want a legit QB.
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I did. Geno is not a franchise QB like you are claiming. Hell he's not that great of a QB prospect at that.

If we take a QB, I want a guy who we believe can be a franchise QB one day. It's obvious that we aren't the only one's who believe Geno isn't that guy.

The LT's are the best prospects in this draft and that's our plan.

We are drafting BPA and Joeckel is the BPA. Him or Fisher. One of the LT's, unless we can't trade Albert.

We don't trade Albert and it's Dion Jordan time.

Name them. I'll wait.
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So bpa doesn't account for need and or positional value?

If joeckel and fisher are bpa, an that's what we are drafting why does itatter in terms of what they do with Albert?

Joeckel gonna be better than Albert ROFL

No, you're not answering his question.

His question is at what point does positional value overtake individual player value.

I hesitate to paraphrase, but his thinking is that no LT will ever have 1:1 value. So he will always choose a "lesser" player at another position over the top LT.

Meaning to him, if he agrees for the sake of argument that Geno is not a franchise QB, he would still take him over any of the tackle prospects, despite their (again, theoretical for the sake of argument) higher grades.

So basically a QB with a 91 rating is more valuable than a LT with a 98.

(This happens to be my thinking as well)

His point was at what point to you agree with that, if ever? And then further, with which positions would that be true?

Is that a fair characterization SNR?

BPA will determine what Dorsey values more a LT or a QB.

Yeah, who do you think we are? The Raiders?

Again if we use the same reasons we do for why geno doesn't fit, based on Reid's history, how does joeckel fit? He's not a big physical lt. Doesn't have elite measurables either.


If they take a lt, i don't see it being him

I wouldn't be surprised if we draft a LT and keep Albert regardless.

QB is not a need now. We have our guy. And he's going to be here awhile. Let it go.

Agree.

According to NationalFootballPost us and the Jags are showing the most ibterest in Geno

We have our QB. Our coach wanted him. Bad. And it's obvious that he thinks that it's not a need.

They are trying to win NOW. And LT is a huge piece to Reid's offense.

rofl. "Joekel is the BPA". You smoke some good shit, Chong.
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You're still avoiding the question.

As a side note, let's say LT is a huge piece, and let's say our coach wanted the QB "bad", then why go with a rookie? Doesn't seem like a logical choice for protecting your prized investment.

You've become the most transparent guy on cp. I never argued for a qb. Take that up with snr.

You throw it at the geno guys for turning every thread into geno stuff, but everytime someone legitimately tries to talk about a prospect they don't like for a legit reason , you bring out the "they aren't taking geno, get over it" mantra thus throwin the thread.

You agree with whatever move the regime makes. That's fine. But about a month ago you talked about how disappointing it would be to take a lt bla bla. It's obvious to see how you feel on the matter, which again is fine.

But enough with the running down others when we try to have a legit discussion about something because you don't like it

Thats why we have a top 10 LT in Albert. If they plan to win now you stick with Albert. If you draft a rookie you arent planning to win now.

Dorsey makes the final call. Actually the power structure is Hunt > Dorsey > Reid. And both Clark and John both really like Geno.

This isnt gonna end well for you.

Honestly don't think Reid is that high on Geno as people on here believe.

Based on?

Your damn right but Dorsey and Hunt are.

Power structure goes Hunt > Dorsey > Reid.

Reids not making the call come draft day. Dorsey is and he even said so.

I'm tired of this Geno shit ruining every thread.

This has been going on since September. It's like a guy getting broken up with by his gf and he won't shut up and move on from it after 8 months and they talk to you about it every single day.

And the dumbest part of this is that people are going to bitch about us not drafting Geno for months after we don't pick him.

No, it doesn't.

Maybe take a step away from the computer

I didn't mention Geno. My question was about the tackles and related more to Albert and the "win now" mentality. If they think they can win with Alex Smith, and we have a franchised LT who's already a proven player in the league (and who Andy Reid has supported very openly and publicly for years), then why are we (fans) even talking about drafting a LT? It wouldn't make any logical sense to endanger our star QB Alex Smith, or the potential for winning immediately, by starting a rookie LT.

Uh we traded multiple high picks for a QB.

All I know is this; Andy got what he wanted before the draft. Welp, guess who's turn it is on draft day to get what HE wants, mother****ers? And I guran****ingtee you that the man who places a premium on stacking the deck at the QB position, the man who had a hand in the taking and development of A~Rodg(like that shit, bitches?), will NOT have his sights set on a non-generational sack of mule dung like Luke "Sta-Puff" Jokel. Deal with it.
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Hunt said Dorsey and Reid report to him.

Dorsey = Gm. GM has more power than the coach and has the power on personnel moves.

Reid = HC. Head coachs job is to coach and lead his team.

Am I missing anything? Obviously you think Reid has the most power.

Tired of the debate? Stop contributing to it. You've said your piece. Everyone now knows exactly how you feel. So you are now able to not talk about it again, same for the nuthuggers,BTW

This. :clap:

Yeah they derail some threads. Use the ignore function or just overlook it. Your incessant bitching is getting to be just as bad as their incessant bullshit

Well, yeah the HC was hired first an allowed to pick his gm

How was that even CLOSE to what I was ****ing asking? ROFL

You claim Joeckel/Fisher are the best players in this draft, presumedly taking into account positional value and all that other good stuff. On the topic of positional value, I asked, "As Geno relates to the top prospects as a QB, at what position would athletes with the ranking of Joeckel/Fisher have to play for Geno to receive a better ranking than them on your big board?"

I'll explain again. Geno as a QB has his ranking on your big board. Fisher/Joeckel have theirs as OTs. Now, compared to other OTs in other draft classes, and comparing those players to THEIR draft classes, if players at the rankings of Joeckel/Fisher played say... WR... would they still be ranked ahead of Geno?

I ask, because surely you wouldn't come across the Luke Joeckel of OGs and say we should take him before Geno, right? So when do you stop with this nonsense? Geno, by the nature of being the top QB in a draft class, is worth WAY MORE than a Geno Smith who plays OT.

So... (I can't believe I'm doing this for you) if you answer my question, your response will take the form of a POSITION.

What would Joeckel have to play to be outranked by Geno?

Yea because do you really think Clark would pick a gm and let the gm hire a coach. That worked out so well last time. Hes learned his lesson.

And you, 34 posts a day? Get a life, what are you some endelt mult?


I now understand he annoyance

Fair enough.

I'm probably not going to post in the draft day thread because it's going to be a bitchfest because we don't take Geno.

Yes. That's exactly it. You explained it better and more clearly, too.

I have a feeling we'll know long before the draft that Geno isn't the pick.

Dorsey is available to the media on April 19. We should have an idea than.

And just to increase flaming, I'm actually jumping on the star bandwagon. Star, Poe, and devito with Houston Hali and DJ would be interesting.

Like I said flame away

Star is basically another T Jax.

Did you participate in SOC? Just curious.

Because we went a LONG ways and did a TON of work to cleanse this team of bullshit, and people are pretty ****ing livid that we exchanged Pioli's bullshit for Reid's bullshit. They have every right to bitch and derail threads and tell people to get AIDS and all that jazz.

Sorry. Go visit one of the dumb**** Chiefs boards where they like Luke Joeckel if it bugs you.

This shit isn't going away. We STILL have arguments about Mark Sanchez on this board to this day. If you're pissed about it now, I can't say Chiefs Planet is going to be the right forum for you.

No he most certainly isn't.

Hahahaha I've heard so much on geno bust smith on this board, I'm gonna love the meltdown come draft day lmao

I'd be fine with someone in the front 7 with the first pick, but absolutely **** going OL.

Depends on the team and the need.

And I don't believe Geno is a better prospect simply because he is a QB. I think the QB has to be graded out highly, which I don't believe is the case with him.

Joeckel and Fisher are better at their position than Geno is at his, as seen by what we've seen the last few months from everyone.

QB is the most important position on the board, but I'm not taking the top rated QB in the class simply because he's the top rated QB. I want to be sure he's going to be a franchise caliber QB, which apparently we don't.

QB, LT, pass rusher..and then WR/shutdown CB. Those are what you take if you have a top 5 pick.

But if you have one of those positions that your coach believes in and he doesn't believe a position in front of another is going to be as good, then you go down the line.

Just read florio saying he's hearing the tackles are going to surprisingly drop and most have fisher>joeckel at this point.


Who te he'll is going to go high in this draft? Seems like no one wants anyone in the top 10

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So I assume runkc will be pissed if we take geno, cause he hast voted yet

Holy ****ing contradiction.

So we can draft LT which isn't a need right now and still keep Albert.

But we can't draft a QB which isn't a need right now and still keep Alex Smith?

... Albert who is younger than Smith and has started 87% of his games since being drafted as opposed to Alex Smith's 67% (due to injury and getting benched for guys like Shaun Hill and JT OSullivan)

Yes Fisher > Joeckel if we dont draft Geno.

That's insane. Under that metric, there's absolutely no good reason at all for the Dolphins to take Tannehill or the Falcons to take Ryan.

Ravens and Flacco.
Bucs and Freeman.
Panthers and Newton.

The list goes on and ****ing on.

Will this shit and madness stop once the Chiefs select Geno.

Guys, they don't need a QB, so I doubt they'll draft a QB.


They don't need an LT, but I still see them drafting an LT.


RunKC logic.

You're making an assumption that you should not when you say the Chiefs "apparently don't" think Geno is a franchise calibre QB. They (and every other team in the NFL at this point) are strongly vested in not letting anyone know what their board actually looks like. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. We literally have no way of knowing right now.

We might get an idea the weekend before the draft, when somehow Goose Gosselin always seems to compile good information.

Who do you think would help this team more, Sam Bradford or Joe Thomas ?

Thats why once we draft Geno more than likely he will be seeing playing time in his rookie season.

Apples and oranges. Those teams went into draft day without a QB their coach believed in. Not the case with us.

Bradford.

ROFL

They don't believe in Albert you stupid ****. God it's like you have to draw pictures with some people.

You would have drafted JaMarcuss Russell or Vince Young because they are the top rated QB in the draft.

King logic!

Even if Thomas is that "once in a lifetime prospect that you can plug and play for the next 10+ years"?

In his defense, it looks like we don't think/want Albert long term. We do seen to want Alex smith long term.


Therefor, if we are to draft a LT, I'd much rather just trade Albert for what we can and recoup something

Then why commit to pay him like a top 5 player at his position? If the don't believe in him , let him walk.


I hate to say this, but your walking a thin line comparing geno to those guys.

No. This isn't Pioli.

We are trying to get something back for losing a good player.

Jamarcus I believe would of succeeded anywhere but the Raiders.

You don't draft a QB number 1 overall to red shirt them first of all, especially in today's nfl. It's clear Alex is the starter so that reason alone should be obvious but guess not on this board that geno is not the pick lol. The guy is not even worthy of that high a pick lmao

Reid called Albert a pro bowl caliber LT and Dorsey says he sees Albert as the Future LT of this team.

That just doesn't make sense. If that's all you care about, trade him for peanuts cause if you can't, your giving 10 million to a guy you don't like.


They obviously like him or that's a bad move.

So you think the Chiefs should get rid of their longest tenured lineman at the most important line spot, so we can draft a rookie to play on a line that wouldn't have any players over the age of 25? Who provides leadership or is the mentor for such a young line at that point? I think Andy is smarter than that to just throw out his "prized acquisiton" Alex Smith behind a line that is led by the grizzled veteran Jon Asomoah.

If they liked him so much they would have given him a long term deal.

Geno to Jamarcus is fair, I would say Jamarcus was the better prospect coming out actually during that time. Bigger and rocket arm, all know how that turned out lmao