Are we to expect cops to be experienced dog handlers?

"It might have been a little dicey"? A 130lb animal in an admittedly "Dicey" situation, and you expect them to risk harm?

Good grief....

They told him to turn that shit down, he responded by flapping his jaw at them. They cuffed his ass for obstructing and the dog did what came natural, the cop did what he was trained to do and shot to kill.

Sad the dog died but cops are not dog whisperers and are trained to protect their own lives. That asshole hates cops and thinks he is above the law. If anything , he should be charged with failure to control his dog and obstruction of justice

I had to watch with the sound off, so i didnt catch that or the loud jams he was cranking out, so yeah that changes the dynamic... what i thought i saw was some guy being hassled for simply recording with his phone.

If he was being an idiot, he got what he deserved.

Nope. Dogs are pack animals. They don't work on the same emotional level as people. Mean is a human emotion. Any dog can learn to get along with the pack because it's that or die. If there's a dog you think is mean, and likes to bite people they were made that way by people.

If you couldn't handle that dog in the video, you probably shouldn't own a dog.

Why should I or any one else, especially a cop, give a **** about controlling a strangers aggressive dog? Keep them under control yourself or you know the consequence of being a dumbass.

People being surprised by a cop eliminating the threat from a DOG by using lethal force is just mind boggling to me.

This idiot tried to be cool and interfere with cops doing their job. He rolled up with windows down, blaring music, and yelling at cops like 4 houses down the block trying to be a badass. When the cops finally got tired of his shit they cuffed him and because his windows were down his dog jumped out and got shot... What was he trying to prove? What was his stake in being there? What did he gain? Just another senseless animal killing because of a stupid ass owner.

Here's another idiot who tried to keep his idiocy confined to my rep page. Learn the whole story, idiot.

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Exactly. This isn't about some tough guy bullshit. Dumbass dog owner didn't control their potentially dangerous animal. Nobody should expect any cop to ignore their responsibility of controlling the situation, just to be responsible for somebody else's animal that's out of control.

The guy could have easily walked away, for sure, but what in the balls did they arrest him for again? Heckling? Noise violation? Not cleaning up the dog's shit?

It's not like he was anywhere near the scene in question, interfering with any police work, or adding tension to an already-tense situation. In fact, this didn't even seem like the site of any action whatsoever. The first two cops in the video hop out of the car and make their way up to the house at a snail's pace, then the two that arrest the guy can be seen lolligagging around, probably talking about what they're going to order at Chipotle in 20 minutes, on the sidewalk for quite some time while the cameras are rolling.

You **** around with cops and you get burned? Thats a surprise?

Looks like to me that the dog was defintely a threat. It wasn't just curious. It didn't like what was happening to its owner. It didn't weigh 7 lbs. It could have done serious damage to a cop.

I'm the first one to jump a cop's ass for abuse of power. Well, the first reasonable person that doesn't just hate police officers in general that is. These guys didn't do anything wrong. That dude was absolutely obstructing with his music that high, and jacking his jaw at them while they were right in the middle of what looked like a drug bust. Those are dangerous as hell, and you never know if there's going to be a gunfight involved. He was a distraction to them safely doing their job, and got what he deserved. The dog however didn't. He got a shitty owner that cost him his life, instead of someone decent to take care of him.

I'm an expert body language-reader and this scene was not one of high tension.

The dude was just trying to be edgy/cool for the other cameramen and the cops were trying to establish dominance/be dicks.

I'm still waiting for you to come do a ride along

Dog owner is a dumbass. If you see five police cars and an armored vehicle it doesn't mean you should park, loiter about and involve yourself. What did he think would happen when he disobeyed a lawful order and antagonized the police?

He's a dumbass for following the police around fishing for a lawsuit. It was in the article about this incident. There was more before this video started. He arrived and was asked to turn down his radio and still didnt. It's insane to try for a lawsuit.

And if that dude wasn't trying to be cool, his dog would still be alive.

Just found this in my emails;

On June 10 in Lorain County, Ohio, North Ridgeville "Humane" Officer Barry Accorti responded to a call regarding a feral mother cat and her five kittens living in a woodpile in a homeowner's backyard. He told the homeowner that shelters were full and that the cats would be going to kitty heaven. He then pulled out his gun and shot to death the five 8 to 10 week-old kittens.

We are told that he discharged his gun approximately 15 feet from the backyard patio. Never did Officer Accorti let the woman know that he would be killing the kittens on site or that he would be firing a gun in her backyard. The woman ran into the house to shield her children who were screaming and crying. The mother cat is still alive.

Not only are there more humane ways to put down feral kittens, the poor judgement Accorti showed by firing a weapon in a backyard surrounded by other homes put people in danger. Allegedly Accorti told the woman that he isn't suppose to do this, but it was justifiable.

I live in Lorain County and this is not the type of behavior or poor judgement we expect from our police officers. Our citizens are outraged that this happened yet Police Chief Mike Freeman has already cleared Accorti of any wrongdoing. We find that unacceptable. Officer Accorti should not continue his position as a humane officer with the North Ridgeville Police Department.


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you can google several articles re this report -- it's legit. this god damn country is run by idiots. I understand the job of cop is going to attract idiots, it just disappoints when these idiots do so wrong and the folks in charge do nothing. idiots everywhere in charge.

In THIS particular case, this guy is an insensitive prick.

ya, agreed.

but that dog wasn't going to bite any of those officers -- they overreacted imo.

Remind me not to let most of you ****ers anywhere near my dog.

First, the dog wasn't aggressive. It jumped out and started sniffing the ground. Then the cop, who is a stranger to the dog and roughing up his master, leans in to reach for the dog. Bad idea dumbass. The cop lunged first. And even then, the dog's response was half-hearted at best. It wasn't going in for a kill or anything close to that. It was showing teeth and nipping the air. The cop could have knelt down and coaxed the dog to him, but the ****er obviously is a big pussy who is scared of dogs and has no idea how to handle them. As far as why anyone should give a shit, maybe because they are a decent person who doesn't want to shoot a dog when they don't have to.

You're obviously a putz and a crazy cat lady.

Geezus. You have turned into a massive dumbass in this thread.

LMAO Okay

skipped ahead because I didnt feel like reading some peoples idiotic posts. 1. As you can see something serious was going down and the moron was walking around taking video of it. 2. The video skips out right before the 2 officers walk over to arrest the guy so no one has the full story on what he did. 3. The guy should have rolled up his windows so the dog couldnt get out(he probably knows how aggressive/protective his dog is) 4. The cops could have shot the dog as soon as it got out of the car but waited to see what itd do. The owner of the dog is at fault no one else

Assholes aren't the only people to hate cops

Don't cops have tasers?

If the radio was the issue the cops should have immediately walked up to the car and turned it off.

The police are using the loud radio as an after the fact excuse. It wasn't a dangerous situation. All the cops are walking around not taking cover, no body armor, etc. Civilians are all around in their yards taping, etc. Nobody is being told to get inside. The guy was being an idiot, but there was no reason to arrest him.

Yeah, I'm the crazy dumbass in this thread for suggesting that the cop had other options besides lethal force.

The dog wasn't aggressive, but was showing teeth and nipping the air? The cop lunged first?

:facepalm:

JFC....

Guess you need to learn the difference between aggressive and showing teeth in fear. Seriously...the dog got out and barked, then started sniffing the ground and just walking around. He didn't show teeth until the strange man with a hostile attitude reached in and grabbed for him.

You can stick your facepalm up your ass. Go learn a little bit about dog behavior and get back to me.

And even if the cop really was in danger, which he really wasn't, but apparently there are a ton of people who know ****-all about dogs, a taser could have handled it.

sure hope you dont have a dog :doh!:

I have a great dog. Extremely well-behaved and I can take him off-leash pretty much anywhere.

Taking dogs off leash in public is the cause of many problems.

Perhaps you should not do that.

Perhaps you should mind your own ****ing business. I don't put my dog in situations that make him or other people uncomfortable. But I do let him off leash on our walks at a mostly abandoned old park.

I COULD take him off leash walking by a busy street downtown in a crowd full of people and he would be just fine. But I don't.

lol at "Rosby, a black man....." from the article.

I love dog owners who say, "Oh, MY dog would NEVER do that!" No, you don't KNOW.

Mind my own business? You just posted this on a public internet forum - WTF?

:rolleyes:
So you say you let him off leash anywhere, then you get mad at me, then you change your story?

Yeah, until a person or a dog that IS on a leash starts something. It's not always your dog that starts the trouble you know. Then when they try to get away pull their dog away (that IS on a leash), they can't get away because YOUR dog isn't leashed. Then YOUR dog gets whacked in the head with a rock or shot or put to sleep by court order.

Well I'm glad you don't.

If you read again, I said I CAN take him off leash anywhere. I CAN.

I can also call my dog off chasing a squirell, rabbit, or whatever and he comes back to me. I can walk right past another dog while he is off-leash and he will stay on my heel. When he is running around in the park and we see another dog, on or off leash, my dog stops and turns to look at me. I tell him to heel and he does.

I know full well that other dogs can start trouble. And because I understand a small amount about dog behavior I can stop many problems before they escalate.

Well, Congrats! Not every owner trains their dog as well as you. So to expect that kind of obedience from any dog is far fetched and a cop would have a chunk taken outta their ass if they expected that.

No, I don't expect that kind of obedience from any dog. But the cop should have known enough not to reach in like that to a strange dog when the cop is obviously in an aggressive state himself. He could have knelt down while the dog was sniffing the grass and called him over nicely, and that probably would have done it.

But maybe it wouldn't, and he could have used a taser. Shooting a lethal weapon multiple times was not called for.

dudes....I looked at this when it was first posted and knew right then and there I would not watch this video. and I haven't.

so what happens?
cliff notes?

PS - yes I'm too lazy to read thru every post. yes I'm too big of a pussy to watch a dog get shot and writhe in pain before dying.

No doubt about it. Ill hold the guy most responsible because, at the end of the day, it was his actions that sparked the entire issue. There are a whole lot of issues in the world that could be avoided by injecting a little common sense in them. It's the main reason why I'm against Zimmerman as well.

With that said, the other party we're discussing is the police and it comes down to this:

So you "**** around with cops" and that justifies your arrest? No, it should be "if you break the law, you get arrested". We've already established that this scene was not as grave as some are making it out to be. The lackadaisical attitude of every cop seen in the recording highlights that fact. So basically they arrested this man for heckling them and admitted as much by releasing him from custody the very next day, no?

Considering these guys are officers of the law meant to protect us, the last thing I want from them is to start acting out of emotions like pride/embarrassment etc. They need to be held to a higher standard.

If the Dog's owner hadn't been instigating and trying to get their attention, this would have never happened.
If he'd have left his dog at home, wouldn't have happened.
If he'd have rolled his windows up further...wouldn't have happened.
IF the dog had stayed in the car.....alive.
If the dog hadn't lunged.....alive.




Also...if seeing a dog shot is the worst thing you ever see in your life, I'd say you're pretty lucky.

I've seen worse....like one of the first videoed decapitations of an American overseas.
I had no idea what I was watching until I had watched it. I'll never unsee that.
so I simply choose to not see shit like this if I can help it.

For some reason, this video wouldn't disturb me as much if they would have shot the guy instead of the dog.

It is not illegal to film police. If he was not interfering, they should not have approached him nor detained him.

The police instigated the confrontation which unfortunately led to the shooting of the man's dog. He will receive healthy compensation for this incident, that much is certain.

note to self:

get dog from shelter

make dog angry

annoy police

get dog shot

pretend to be outraged

profit

Yeah... if only that cop had laid down on the ground. Perhaps removed his uniform so as not to frighten the poor dog. Maybe even present himself in the bitch mating position to give the dog a little confidence and break the ice. He could have grilled up a pork chop for the dog and talked for a while about current affairs. Put in some quality time. If only that ignorant asshole cop had gone to those ridiculous lengths...

Yeah that's exactly what I said. :rolleyes:

Even if he was a complete moron that had no knowledge of animals, he could have used a taser.

I've watched this a number of times.

There appears to be no reason for the Cops to arrest him. They can use vulgar statements and other nonsense to try and validate it but without a threat there's no cause.

(the sound is total $#it so that's possible.)

As far as the dog I'm not getting my ass chomped. I don't carry outside the home but if your dog comes at me it's dead.

Period.

If it were some small breed clearly there's no fear to life or limb. With a large breed there's no way to know how the owner has raised that animal or will react.

Your dumb ass got your dog shot. For no reason.

Where's the hate on that?....

See this is what I have an issue with. Yeah, I can see the argument that the cop had a right to protect himself from the dog. My problem is with the way things were handled leading up to it.

Imo the police have an obligation to try and diffuse the situation. In this case they appeared as ready to escalate things as the dirtbag dog owner. Part of their job is to deal with the dregs of society. It shouldn't be free license to throw gas on every fire, only to turn around and resort to deadly force when things get too hot.

Does a policeman have a right to protect himself? Sure. But he better have exercised every option before he starts popping off gunfire in a neighborhood and shooting ****ing dogs.

How did the police escalate this situation? They asked the guy to turn his music down. He didn't comply and it appears like they were willing to let it go until he started yelling at them. They walked over to him and were going to give him what he wanted all along which was to be arrested. While cuffing him they weren't aggressive and take him to the ground and it didn't look like they were even yelling at him.

The dog owner is an obvious dirtbag who was chasing a lawsuit and unfortunately it cost his dog its life.

If the police arrested every dirtbag that yelled at them that's all they'd ever have time to do.

Let's not confuse having to put up with an asshole with justification for deadly force.

How do you know they didn't? It's not clear what all they said to him, and one of the linked articles mentioned previous run-ins with the law. It's entirely possible they already knew who they were dealing with. There comes a point where you can't keep cutting people slack.

If they would have shot the guy instead of the dog, then your justification of deadly force argument would be valid. They had justification to shoot the dog since it was trying to attack them.

I'm sorry, but yelling at cops after they've asked you to do something that is legal for them to ask you to do is going to get you arrested every time. According to eyewitness accounts the man yelled "it's my ****ing radio" when he was asked to turn it down. That is blatant noncompliance and will get you arrested every time.

Ended badly, but the owner can't really be complaining, let alone suing the department, it's really his own fault.

tablet is right.

The cops should have stopped what they were doing, laid down and rolled over and showed the dog their belly to show him they weren't going to hurt him and respect his territory....and maybe bent over so the dog could sniff their arses.