You're correct.

In one prospective cohort study of 2905 college football players, 1 in 15 players with concussion had additional concussions in the same season, most occurring 7 to 10 days after the first concussion. With each concussion, the risk of future concussions increased. Individuals with three concussions had a three times greater risk of future concussions.


Cumulative effects associated with recurrent concussion in collegiate football players: the NCAA Concussion Study.
JAMA. 2003 Nov 19;290(19):2549-55.

You don't have to fart rainbows to be entertaining. You don't have to troll to accomplish it either.

If you are only talking about the concussion aspect then yes, it is a legitimate criticism of Smith. If you are talking about injuries in general, it is no more legitimate than talking about any other QB that opens himself up by running with the ball.

Your reasoning isn't sound because of the fact that Smith has a lot of missed games due to injuries and he wasn't a running QB, so in general he seems to be more prone to it, so him running more then injuries are absolutely a concern.

Your sentence isn't sound because it runs on.

It also isn't sound because it is based in fallacies that have been refuted in this very thread.

"we cant run Reid's usual offense (throwing 75% of the time) so I guess we will run some gimmicky shit instead of just running the ball"

What's this?

(Semi-coherent) Football discussion on CP? Thank goodness the off season is coming to an end.

We had actual 49ers fans come here and tell us how injury prone Alex Smith was.

But nope, not injury prone. He's a stud and stuff. Carry on.

"Jamaal Charles is, by far, our best player, so it will all start there"

"we will get him to run for TD's and when they shut him down we will throw the ball to Dwayne in the middle routes and Jamaal underneath and deep"

"we're going to use the FB to create a devastating void in the defensive line during goal line & when they stuff us there we will throw it high to Baldwin or a TE for the points"

"if we can't devise 3rd and 3 schemes that utilize Dex in the slot and Jamaal in the flat, then we as a staff are ****ing morons that should drink a gallon of antifreeze and then take a separate plane that snaps in midair"

"with Dwayne being the mauler he is, when they double him too much we will use him to WR bubble screen Jamaal -- other teams aren't going to like that, much"

-me

And the SF Trainer had him hitting the weights hard on that shoulder pre-surgery. Double f-up.

Your tears will be as tasteless and bland as the exciting "new" slants and screens this offense will be running.

Turd-whacker.

there was talk that it was a concussion, or a headache. I never heard it confirmed. If someone did, kudos.
did not know that, I know we broke Tony Romos ribs....
Do you even LIFT BRO?
No. You had guys who hated Alex Smith come tell you that. He missed a couple games in 2010 for an injury, he missed all of 07, he didn't start immediately as a rookie, so that is some of the games you are saying hes missed. So essentially, if you don't factor in his shoulder injury, FOR INJURIES, HES MISSED ABOUT 4 GAMES in his career. Whoopie.

The question is. Is he healthy now? The answer is yes, so what the hell are you bitching about?

Why are people trying to rationalize WHY he's missed 25-30% of his games?

He's a Chief now. Ergo, he must be protected and coddled unto death.

PBJ

Wait, so are we positive about the Smith acquisition? Then, is it OK to have expectations for him and the team?

LMAO indeed

nah

the summary of what I said in 2010:

"Lets give him another chance, we have no one better"

for this crime I was labeled a ball washer and ridiculed

yes it turns out he never did shit but squandered his shot......but I still don't think I was wrong....we were stuck in the same situation as we are now......

If you search my posts from 2010, I don't think you will find anything beyond these things....

Even when matt was throwing all TD's and no picks, i never went full reerun "omg I love matt cassel" ..ever

Sadly, people must think 3,000/18 is a great year, based on all the knob slobbering he's gotten this offseason.

Green and Smith are both QB's who don't do well when they take a lot of beating.

I cringed when Green took off scrambling. I'll cringe if Smith runs the read option. I doubt seriously that we will see him on more than one or two designed running plays per game. Reid isn't stupid.

no its not

even tho matt cassel was the only reason we failed,

and ALex smith is awesome

we still wont win because of some excuse that hasn't been thought of yet

In fairness, 200 YPG is nothing to sneeze at.

29-year-old QB coming off a benching. Recipe for success.

I'm not convienced the team can just so easily forget all the extensive DoughBall termanology.

We traded two second-rounders for Alex Smith and an excuse to be named later, and it's the latter that really makes me feel good about the deal. It's our Wade Davies, one might say.

200 is the new 400.

Yes, maybe if he keeps learning , he will finally break 200 ypg career average

I know he's the statistical twin of Matt Cassel, but Alex Smith is far more similar to Matt Ryan.

Sadly, there people who think thst stupid coaches and a surgeon's fuck up equate to being injury prone.


There is plenty of stupid on both sides.

Please, PLEASE point me in the direction of the dipshit who said that.

I have to see this for myself.

No matter the reasons, he's been in the league seven years and started all sixteen games in a season twice.

I said that their careers are similar in that both have only one a single playoff game.

Curse me if you'd like but I don't think Matt Ryan is elite. I just don't see it.

Well then, Green's numbers were put up behind one of the best offensive lines of the last several decades in the NFL and one of the best rushing offenses at least of its own time. No handicapping there?

Green gets credit for all that offense's accomplishments, but Smith can't get credit for his high level of play the last two seasons because his team was so formidable on the ground as to make those numbers meaningless?

And Smith similarly can't get credit for his team being two special teams gaffes away from the Super Bowl, because he had so much talent around him?


Green was not any more capable of a downfield passer than Smith is. They're cut from the same cloth.

I don't get how it doesn't matter. If you are analyzing and judging him, how do you hold events against him that he had nothing to with?

Smith is no Tom Brady. But treating him like trash just because he does not reach that benchmark that almost nobody reaches is asanine.

I'm not asking for a top-5 QB. Love to have it, but that's unfair.

But there's simply no looking at Alex Smith's career numbers and coming to any other conclusion than he's mediocre. Now, we're asking him to "develop" at 29-years-old, when he should be in his absolute prime.

We know what he is, an average QB who is not good enough to win a SB with. However, if we'd paid his true value to use him as a stop gap, meanwhile continuing to turn over stones for a real franchise QB, I would have applauded the move.

I agree Ryan isn't Rodgers/Brady/Brees elite but I think a team could win a sb with him without it being a Dilfer scenario. I would love to have him on the chiefs.

Andy Dalton has better numbers his first two seasons in the league as Ryan, but the majority of Chiefsplanet dismisses him as a game manager. He also has two straight playoff appearances and losses.

Yet Matt Ryan is somehow viewed as "elite". I don't get it.

And I don't think he'd win anything in KC. Atlanta has far more talent than the Chiefs yet Ryan has but a single playoff win.

Dalton and Ryan have damn near identical QB ratings from their first two years in the league. The latter, however, is viewed more favorably because he's continued to ascend; we'll see if Dalton does the same.

If Ryan were a Chief, he'd easily be the most talented QB ever to play in KC. Not even close.

What's his strengths ? ROFL

QB discussion aside, I think Cincy has a real chance to contend this season. Their team is loaded, they have great coaching and coordinators.

Yeah, I think their roster is incredibly promising. It doesn't take too much of an imagination to see them going on a run for a few years.

Look, I was pissed for a very long time over the trade. Half of it was what it probably meant in terms of the draft, and half what you mention in the value.

Whith that being said, do we really know exactly what his value is? You talk about his career; until Harbaugh became his coach two years ago hr absolutely sucked. The past two seasons where he actually haf a compitent coach he did a complete 180. Let's wait and see what a proven QB mentor of a head coach like Reid can do with him before passing final judgment.

People are getting all up in arms about Smith being compared to Green. Remember what we gave up for Green and how pissed off everyone was about it?

Is my dad your dad?
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You're absolutely right that we don't have a crystal ball, so we can't talk in absolutes, and, if Smith comes anywhere close to Green's level of productivity, it will be a pretty decent trade.

I think there's a mom joke here, but I'm not witty enough to play it. Luckily, I PMed Rain Man, so he'll be around in a few hours to let you have it.

The only thing that came to my mind is something about a holiday inn express.

versus Matt Ryan I think Andy Dalton will end up the better player

That is where I am at. I didn't especially want them to go after Smith, I thought they overpaid for him too... but the idea that he is Cassel is just silly.

The only kind of cookies that Alex Smith can cut out are those disgusting oatmeal raisin coconut balls that look really good because they're covered in chocolate but actually taste like ass

Tyler Bray is the franchise QB. Nobody on here would have said shit if we traded to move up into the 2nd round and draft him.

You can if you're an idiot, and there are plenty of those on the board.

LMAO

I picture Alex's cookies as more of plain, disgusting, pineapple shortbread:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...GKAUQgvA3AbOFA


Mmmm....balls of suck/Lil'Chiefy!

Oh goody.

Maybe he'll even be better than James Killian and Casey Printers and Brodie Croyle!

Yes thank you Homer Joe, your never-ending optimism for all things mediocre has been WELL noted.

Dude! Is your user name named after John Wayne's horse in.....El Dorado I believe?

He's the only QB on the roster worth having any kind of excitement about, for better or worse.

In 8 years in the league, Alex Smith has started 75 games.

He hasn't even started 60% of the 49ers games since being drafted first overall.

And Ricky Stanzi who you thought was a pro bowler

Can we play a few games first?

Thats all i wanna know... forget Pioli, forget Cassel, forget Haley, forget Crennel, they're ALL gone... can we atleast keep an open mind for this new era?

In my dreamscape, it looks damned good, i did a complete 180 on Reid in a matter of 3 minutes one night... proven history? cant live without football? so much so that his beleaguered wife caves into the reality of who she is? proven talent? league sources a mile deep? is football what it takes to live up to the memory of his son?

I swear, the law of averages and luck is on our side this time... the stars have finally aligned, its time, if i'm wrong, ban me... dont care, its happening sooner rather than later.

A football zombie is going to spread his pathogens all over KC... am i wrong? prove it, i'm telling you the odds finally favor us... ITS. TIME.

Yes we can. We have to. It's no fun giving up on a regime before they've even stepped on the field. I'm not even an eternal optimist or even a homer but I'm hoping for the best.

Homeristic huzzahs and wishful, needful things aside... i simply couldnt be more hopeful than i am now, even with Axl Smiff.

Something is simply lining up... its just been too long not to, Lenny wasnt exactly known for his superhuman bombs either IIRC, he was a castoff... yet he guided them with heady, intelligent play.

I'm not predicting a super bowl this year, but i am damn sure predicting that KC stuns all of the casual onlookers and builds upon it... something about Reid just guarantees it... soon.

Atlanta Falcons Quarterback Matt Ryan Ranked No. 5 on Jaws’ QB Countdown

Jaworski ranks Atlanta Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan at No. 5. Transcribed analysis:

“Here we go – the top five. Coming in at No. 5 is Matt Ryan. Ryan has gotten better in each of his five seasons in the NFL. He has won 72 percent of his regular-season starts, and in 2012, he won his first playoff game in spectacular fashion.

“Ryan has been terrific in pressure situations throughout his five-year career. Twenty-three game-winning drives, 16 fourth quarter comebacks. The difference in 2012? Under first-year offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, the offense was restructured to feature Matt Ryan.

“Ryan threw the ball far more on first down than he had in any previous season. In fact, only two quarterbacks threw for more first down yardage than Ryan. Despite a running game than ranked 29th in the league, Ryan was outstanding off play-action with a quarterback rating of 118. Twenty-two of Ryan’s 46 completions of 20 yards or more came off play-action.

“The final point about Ryan: there are few better anticipation throwers. This completion was a great example. You see from the coaching tape when Ryan made the decision to pull the trigger. Right here, look at Julio Jones; he had not even begun to make his inside break.

“Ryan had his best season in 2012. He’s now a veteran quarterback at the top of his game. Can he move up from No. 5? If he can take the Falcons a step further in the playoffs, I wouldn’t rule it out.”

Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback Alex Smith Ranked No. 20 on Jaws’ QB Countdown

Jaworski ranks Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith at No. 20. Transcribed analysis:

“Now it gets interesting. My top 20. My 20th-ranked quarterback is Alex Smith. A year ago, Smith was coming off his best season in the NFL, having led the 49ers to the NFC Championship. This year, he’s the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. It was a great move by Andy Reid to acquire Smith.

“The defining element of Smith’s play is efficiency. He executes the offense the way it’s designed, and he makes very few mistakes. Last season – for the second year in a row – he was exceptional on first down. In 2012 he led the NFL in first-down passing, with a quarterback rating of 119. Much of it came off play-action, or in the case of the 49ers, hard run-action out of base personnel. There was no better play-action quarterback last season than Smith. He had a quarterback rating of over 132.

“Smith has been outstanding out of multiple tight end personnel over the last couple of seasons. No quarterback has thrown the ball more with three tight ends on the field. You don’t see that very often in today’s NFL.

“This play was beautifully designed with all three tight ends to the same side. First, look at the impact of the run-action on the two linebackers and the safety. This was hard run-action. Then you see that Delanie Walker’s vertical route occupied the corner. That left Vernon Davis matched on a safety, a safety that initially reacted to run. He had no chance on Davis’ wheel route.

“One area Smith improved in 2012 was in the pre-snap phase of the game. He was much better at the line of scrimmage checking and audibling.

“It will be interesting to see what Andy Reid does in Kansas City. Don’t be surprised if he turns Smith loose a little bit and features an up-tempo offense with an emphasis on quick throws. Remember, Alex Smith played for Urban Meyer at Utah.”

Intelligence, game-planning, pre-snap reads, mastered the short passing game, mastered a very complex playbook.

Not that those compensate for his weaknesses of being afraid to challenge DBs, afraid to throw into a window, mediocre arm strength, holding the ball too long, taking "strategic sacks", not seeing the entire field.

If Alex had a hypnotist that could turn off his over-analyzing, perfectionist brain and let him play strictly on instinct and moxy, he would be a solid top 10 QB, but he can't, so he never will be.

Jaws already has Dalton ranked above Alex Smith. The only bad thing he has to say about Dalton is his weak arm.

LMAO

Who gives a **** what some ESPN talking head has to say about, well, anyone?

If you can't use your own eyes to make a determination, you should just shut the **** up, IMO.

What an asinine thing to say.

You have 3-4 guys on this forum whose own eyes say Alex Smiff is elite. 95% of fans are wholly ignorant. You think the "eyes" of flaming ignorant fans make them more qualified than a former NFL QB who studies coaches tape 10 hours a day?

Piss off jackass.

this and that.

maresy dotes and doesy dotes and little lambs in ivy.

ROFL

**** you.

LMAO

This is absolutely ****ing hilarious. Seriously, hilarious.

ROFL

Ron Jaworski doesn't watch game film "10 hours a day". That's ludicrous. Once commercials and huddles have been edited out, the typical game lasts about 12 minutes or less. If one is to just study the offense and quarterback, that number is reduced to about 6 minutes per game.

Get that? 6 minutes per game.

That means that it's easy to watch ten games per hour, which means that in about 90 minutes, a talent evaluator can watch an entire season, the playoffs and the Super Bowl for a singular team.

Okay, but let's say that said talent evaluator takes multiple notes and needs time for his thoughts. So, let's give him eight games per hour, which means that he can easily breeze through a 16 game season offensively in two hours.

Got that? Two hours.

Now, 32 teams, two hours equals 64 hours. That's less than two weeks to review an entire season offensively, with time to spare. Last I checked, the season ended the first week of February, so Mr. Jaworski has had approximately six months for two weeks of work.

10 hours a day? Ah, no.

Furthermore, ABC/ESPN/Disney exists for entertainment purposes only. Have you ever sat in a production meeting before? Do you actually think that Jaws has the final say on what is presented and where, and what isn't? Don't you think that his producers, executive producers and network have just a little input?

The bottom line is that while exercises like these are "fun" for the fans, they mean nothing. And I can absolutely guarantee you, Ron Jaworski isn't sitting in front of an LED screen "10 hours a day".

Good grief.

So Cosell, Gruden, Jaworski and the other analysts never replay film, or freeze film for analysis? Nah, of course not. Not in your world. I'm sure they never return to game tape of a previously reviewed game to compare similarities or differences of play and players in another game. No, in your world, Ron Jaworski, Gruden and Cosell and the rest have perfect recall and only need to play a tape once in real time without ever slowing or pausing the tape for "study".

All on top of which I never intended "10 hours a day" to be taken literally, but I did expect you to dodge my main point, so that was a perfect foil for you to do so.

Go ahead and write another thousand word post ignoring my point that the opinion of your average jackoff dweeb internet fan's "eyes" are better than the years of experience of people who played the position like Jaworski, Dilfer or Marino.

It's OK, I'm used to people on the internet who can't admit when they are wrong. It is SOP.