Nope. I can only blame the Chiefs. They are the ones to make the pick.

Tombstone's football knowledge comes from the basis of what Bill Williamson writes. LMAO

If he were struggling only against those pro bowlers, fine. But he's struggling against damn near everyone

Andy Reid knows his hog maulies.

I need to follow camp more closely. Who else is he struggling against?

Not gonna worry about it now.

Training Camp.

If he were kicking ass, you'd say it's only training camp...

not sure what your point is. Fisher was drafted to play LT and unless Albert moves to RT, he's gone. Albert does not want to move to RT, he wants premium LT money. Fact is, he's not a premium LT. He's good, but not great. This is the issue kc's front office is going through with Albert, this is the road block.

Miami didn't even want to give kc a second round pick for Albert. This should tell you something.

The pic that's been floating around where he gets bowled back onto his ass was against Austen Lane. I've seen tweets where he whiffed against Chavis, and most recently got schooled hard by Tyson Jackson.

He seems to be holding up against Allen Bailey, though. At least there's that LMAO

wrong again!

Like I said, if you don't like the Fisher pick, fine with me. But kc drafted him #1 for a reason and that reason is to play LT.

Look, just shut the **** up. We had this argument for months before the draft, and I don't feel like having it again with a ****ing Donks fan who spouts the same garbage about LTs being crucial to the success of an offense that doesn't have a real QB.

lol

yah, Alex Smith was a bad move, but it doesn't change the fact that Fisher is the long term LT.

Actually I dont really care either way.

The pick, good or bad, doesn't improve the team. Only the most ignorant franchises in the league, like the Jaguars, Dolphins, and... the Chiefs, make that selection.

Doesn't sound good, but I'll start worrying about him when I see this happening in a game.

Freaking this! /thread

Is this is a ****ing joke? Why don't you ask the Patriots if they would have liked a player like Fisher on their OL the last few years.

The NYG won their SB's over the Patriots primarily because their DL owned the hell out of everybody's OL, especially the Patriots.

I'd love to ask the Patriots... Unfortunately they aren't a bottom feeder team picking top 5 in search of a ****ing lineman.

And the NYG won their SB's over the Patriots due to last minute heroics on 2 miraculous plays by the Giants offense... not the defense. Try and try again.

It also doesn't change the fact that we would probably be able to find an equal or better LT prospect picking in the teens in 2014. You can, maybe, justify using the #1 pick on the next Jonathan Ogden. You can't justify the pick if we're talking about the next Branden Albert. Which we are.

If he ends up being this good, it will be OK. Not great, but OK. Albert has been ridiculously undervalued on this board.

I would agree with you if we were talking about an equivalent pick. We're talking about the #1. We're using the #1 to replace a guy picked 15th.

Yeah, it's dumb. Totally flawed approach. But I'm speaking simply about Fisher's potential level of talent.

Self-created, unnecessary holes are frustrating, for sure.

I hope he's in the pro bowl for 12 years. We're stuck with him, so he'd better be good.

Just by sheer value comparison of where they were selected. Fisher will have to play at a high level off the bat, and the 3 year grace period would mean he would be a marginal bust unless within those three years he becomes the next Tony Boselli or Anthony Munoz.

If Reid and Dorsey don't attempt to draft a QB high or get Bray's head right and get him starting within two years, I'm going to do something others may regret.

Continue posting?




o:-)

I believe I speak for many when I say we already regret this :D

Seriously. What?

You just don't get softballs like that one on here often enough.

That too.

T ball really :D

At my age I take all the help I can get.

Reproduce?

This one may keep on giving for several pages. Low hanging fruit.

it's pitiful really -- here we are talking folks off the "we drafted RT #1" ledge when we did no such thing.

could Fisher end up playing RT permanently? sure he could. will he? JFC no

Brandon Albert is DMW and they will likely make the switch before season's end, knowing Albert's penchant for missing games. Stephenson moves up to RT and away we go, with cash to spend on a WR instead.

You can spin it any way you want and think ahead to him being the LT next year. Bottom line is we spent the #1 pick to "upgrade" one of the strongest positions on the team? Really?... Talk about a waste.

As I said earlier (maybe it was in another thread), we used the 1.1 to replace a guy we got 1.15. It doesn't make much sense. It's not like Fisher is Willie Roaf.

oh wow, he gave permission to spin it any way I want. thx for that.

LMAO

when the Brandon Albert LT train crashes and burns after this season, I believe you will understand why this staff doesn't want to pay what Albert wants.

I have no problem keeping Albert -- he ain't great but you don't need great anymore, but it wasn't in the cards. the staff grabbed the guy they wanted. I know folks want to slam them for it, but I don't see why it isn't a good move, in the end.

Fisher is a better football player than Albert imo. He's got more talent/range, better athlete and he has a winner's atitude -- AKA nasty player, which is a huge problem for Albert. I heard Albert on the radio the other day and he just sounds so ****ing pitiful, so weak it isn't even funny.

there were reports this staff wanted Albert to move inside. he should have gone along with this staff's desire to move in at LG and taken probably the largest LG contract in the league. But it's done. finito. Albert won't be back imo and Fisher is this team's LT going forward.

The dude hasn't even played 1 NFL snap and his camp isn't going so hot but he's already a better player than Albert.... Holy shit.

Are you offering, Sally?

ya, I own that and if I end up wrong, I still own it.

what do you own champ?

Unfortunately, I own up to being a Chiefs fan.

Fisher is a better pass blocker than Albert, I see it in his technique. He can hold a block consistently and he has quicker feet than Albert also, which will help more at this level of speedy rushers.

I hate to see Albert go. He's one of the best young LG talents coming up over the past decade and now, it will all go to waste. pitiful.

that Austen feller'

You're missing part of the issue. They used the #1 pick to laterally replace a player. Fisher is not an upgrade. Fisher is not a 'special' talent. They spent the #1 on the type of player that should be drafted in the mid- to late-first. Same if they'd spent that pick on Joeckel. For all the talk about the QB class being weak, the tackle class was the same. The whole draft was the same. The only reason these guys were on top is that there weren't premiere QBs or defensive linemen, or wide receivers, or even blue chip offensive tackles, players that would normally push them down the board in a stronger draft class. There were no Suhs or Ogdens or Lucks or Megatrons. Just a bunch of guys. Like Fisher.

Throw QB out of the equation. Why Fisher instead of, say, Tavon Austin? Why Fisher instead of Dion Jordan? Why Fisher instead of Dee Milliner?

It's an uninspired pick in a mediocre draft. Hell people are using the mediocre draft as a justification for it. When in fact the mediocrity of the draft would have been a perfect excuse for taking a gamble on a potential home run hitter like Austin. Instead we pick another big body. It's like Tyson Jackson all over again. Although not quite that much of head scratcher, obviously.

Hopefully the end result is much better.

If my job depended on Albert, I'd be looking hard for an alternative.

setting aside the opinion both Joeckel & Fisher were the best players in this draft, I'm pretty sure if the Chiefs had not chosen an LT 1.1 Albert would have held out and this season would have begun a ****ing nightmare.

this is all your opinion with no basis in fact. You won't know how good or bad Fisher is for at least a few years and this is the case with every draft pick.

And all that technique is putting him on his ass when he faces the mighty Austen Lane in practice.

I hate how we're making the lateral move with the #1 overall pick just like keg was talking about. I also hate how Albert played his ass off last year, and will likely do the same thing this year, and how we'll likely be DOWNGRADING from an experienced LT who blocked for some terrible shitty**** QBs (making his job much harder) to a confused rookie from the MAC conference who might not even be as good as Albert when he hits his prime.

All we can do at this point is hope that Fisher doesn't suck. Maybe if he even plays good enough, I'd be fine with Dorsey still being able to get Albert back to KC to play LT for a few more years. Odds are that Albert is going to smoke Fisher out of the water when you compare the two players.

Great. A few years. We'll know in a few years if we got a good tackle or not. Whoopee.

Meanwhile, some legitimately TALENTED players (which includes Geno Smith) are going to make huge differences on their respective teams. For instance, if Tavon Austin is as good as advertised, the Rams are probably a playoff team. THAT'S what I call drafting for better players.

we shall see.. RT is on the right, though, not the left. sick of the dumbocity

I'm out.

No shit sherlock. Glad you're here to point these things out. Maybe you can be the new Captain Obvious.

LOL Geno is legitimately talented but Fisher is not?

Keep going. You're very entertaining, at least.

the same rule applies for Geno Smith. Until he proves himself in real games, not TC, you won't know if he's any good. The same with Austin. The same with Fisher.

what a bunch of made up nonsense...jesus christ

what's hilarious, is the chance that Fisher has a better rookie season than Albert did is exactly zero

Albert was a guard who walked into the league and played damn near flawless as a rookie LT for the combined QB talent of Croyle, Huard, Thigpen

You don't like Albert's voice, so he sucks? You must be a scientist.

the guy is a warrior, and FAR AND AWAY our best OL...lmao

Fisher couldn't take his job if he wanted to

Personally I preferred Joeckel if they were gonna go ahead with OT with the pick.

If not then Austin, at he'd hit ya some homeruns on the field in some part of the game. Plus we need a ****ing KR/PR like no one's business. The #1 overall pick should have immediate and important impact of the game and should almost hit the ground running with exception of QB.

Fisher is not a Jake Long. Thats not really to say Fisher can't get a lot better, but he certainly doesnt have the credentials of Long coming out college, or even Joeckel to be quite honest w/ ya. Long and Joeckel played for a couple of really big name schools, NFL factories if you will, and always played against some of the best talent in the nation, a lot of which they'll see at the next level eventually.

Fisher comes from a small school playing against lesser talent. He's a big fish in a small pond. This was a reach pick in which a coach works out with a player and says/thinks, "Man if he can handle change with this and a couple things, and get used to that, then he'll be a dominant force in the league for us." Is that really what you want from the first overall pick? I'm not sure. I hope he's able to improve and become dominant. The Albert situation has really put this team in a pickle. What if Fisher sucks? Albert won't be a Chief next season and this team is ready to win NOW. It's important that Fisher hits the ground running and can have a dominant season.

you keep saying that Albert is better than Fisher and all I'm saying is you don't know this. It will take a few years to find this out and until then, Fisher will play RT.

of course we know it

that's why Albert is our LT

Geno is a QB.

Fisher is a fat **** who blocks shit.

Try to keep up.

It was games like the senior bowl that solidified Fisher's status, where he competed with other players from big time D1 schools.

You all should be way more worried about Poe because aside from a great combine, he never proved anything in games.

Actually Fisher is pretty lean for a 6'7" 300 pound man don't go overboard with the qualifiers . Now Luke Joeckel on the other hand is a little soft.

lol, Albert is your starting LT because no other team would give kc a second round pick for him and kc franchised him and are now on the hook for almost $10m. :doh!:

You don't have ****ing clue.

Albert has some of the quickest feet I've ever seen for a big man, which is the reason he has been consistenly effective as a pass blocker in spite of poor technique.

he's our starting LT because he's the best OL on the team, and the best LT without question...


there's nothing to discuss....jesus, it ain't rocket algebra

I'll say it again...Albert's rookie season was incredible

and Fisher won't hold a candle to it, even as a RT

he's the starting LT because he's getting paid $10m and that's all there is to discuss... this ain't rocket science.

Fisher proved SOOOO much more than Poe playing against MAC competition :rolleyes:

They're both pretty raw players. Poe at least proved in the 2nd half of last year that he could hold his own pretty damn nicely in this league.

Just go back to Donkeyland, dude. You clearly don't know anything about this team, and if you keep talking like this people will start questioning if you even know anything about the game of football.

is everyone reeruned?

Albert is the best OL on our team...period

Albert is the best LT...period

these are objective facts

Poe showed flashes of being a dominant NT at times last year while playing with horrible DE's. He still has a lot to prove but he showed some of that athleticism and power to us as a rookie.

I strongly disagree with that, every time i've seen some idiot knock him they get shouted down quickly.

Its going to suck losing that guy, maybe with a little luck we can keep him.

so why did kc try to trade him for a second round pick and why did no other team bite?

I think this has already happened. I know I did when he was trying to use a Bill ****ing Williamson article to prove a point.

Albert is the best OL on the team

Albert is the best LT on the team

if you have evidence to contradict this, share it with us...please, enlighten us as to who is actually the best LT on our roster...we're all waiting anxiously to hear

So, was Poe worth the #4 overall pick for being able to "hold is own pretty damn nicely" and not be a dominant player? Poe should have been a lot better than that for being the #4 overall pick.

You certainly can say that, when we're talking draft evaluation. Fisher *at best* heading into the 2013 draft was an equivalent prospect to Albert in 2008, and that's probably being generous. If you want to move it into post-draft talk, he certainly isn't a better LT right now, unless Albert gets injured and Fisher's moved there right now. Either way, the point is that Fisher now was not a better prospect than Albert then. That's why I'm comparing his draft value to Albert's draft value.

And I've never said that Fisher can't or won't be good, or that he can't exceed expectations. All I've said is that I thought it was a bit silly to create a hole at LT when there wasn't one, and then use the #1 pick to "upgrade" it. Albert should've been re-signed, and the #1 pick should've either been used on a playmaker or given away for value. It's poor management which indicates to me that, so far, while the names have changed on the doors at 1 Arrowhead, not much else has.

You're full of shit, thats not rocket science either.

Last year PFF had Albert as the 5th best pass blocker in the game...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1...football-focus

Ok, here's evidence--

kc refuses to give him a long term contract to play LT. They instead franchise him and try to trade him. Also, kc drafts his replacement in Fisher.

Need anything more?

Did I sleep through the 2012 draft, or was Poe taken at 11, not 4?

He was taken that high based on rare, raw physical skills... everyone but you knew he needed time to get polished up.

jesus ****, you are embarrasasingly ****ing stupid

no, that isn't evidence...that's information about a trade

tell us who the best LT on the Chiefs is?

please, we're all waiting to laugh even louder at you

where do you stupid assholes come from?

Obviously kc's front office sees things differently than you. Otherwise they would have negotiated a long term contract with Albert and not drafted Fisher.