LMAO

Not bashing Smith.

I am talking about the inability of the offense to consistently sustain drives, and who the focal point of discussion would be if this defense wasn't playing at a high level, making plays, and getting the offense the ball in favorable field position.

The KC offensive efficiency rank so far is 12th in the League. Pretty damn good for a new team like this. Few if any teams get "consistently sustained drives."

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It's about perception.

See the bitching in the game threads.

I'm definitely not satisfied with our ability to move the ball yet. Charles needs to be getting more carries and some blocking to go with. Smith has not been as accurate as preseason. I expect it to start clicking a little better these next couple weeks. The Giants look vulnerable to our Defense and with 10 days rest we should be fine.

So you think that all the offensive players in this new system have been play lights out, save Alex Smith.

For all the offensive woes KC is having Alex Smith is not one of them. He's been the brightest part of the offense so far.

Do you dipshits learn how to read in pre school and figure that you have it all figured out?

That is not what I said.

LMAO. I'm not sure about the level of nuance and reading comprehension that's mandated in the Utah public school system, which I'm assuming you're a product of (given your level of love for all football players Mormon).

Regardless, try to see that my post, which your hyperbolic ass quoted, referenced Smith's entire body of work in KC. Therefore, your first point is a complete sack of shit. No pun intended.

And yes, mediocre does include the following: "seeing the whole field"; "making sure that the ball goes in a positive direction"; "going through multiple progressions"; "winning the ball control"; and "allowing your dynamic playmakers on defense to be rested."

FFS. This is where we're at as a fanbase. Apparently, the quoted is "high-quality" in terms of QB play for the Chiefs.

Pull your head out of a Mormon lineman's ass, Saccofshit, and realize that we're seeing the same shit that some of us who were old enough to grow pubes at the time saw in the mid-90s. If that's not you, cool. Pull up the kiddie table and take a seat.

Alex Smith "manages a hell of a game"! That's damn near P. Manning-like!

Yeah. No.

I still want to see more out of smith. I want to see how he reacts if were down like fourteen points. Also, Reid sort of gave us a false perception of the offense by saying we'd score alot of points and then bowe saying he would have the most receiving yards and Charles would be the leading rusher. Sounded like we were getting the greatest show in turf part 2. Not. Thank goodness for a top five defense.

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Has anyone said that?

Yes. Some Donkey fan claimed earlier today that P. Manning is essentially a "game manager."

It's just ****ing stupid.

Alex Smith played like a scared ****ing bitch on Thursday until finding the testicles to make a great third-down throw midway through the fourth. He misses on that throw, and he's the pinata of CP this entire week.

Meanwhile, some are able to claim "3-0!" which is great, but meaningless in terms of evaluating the overall strengths and weaknesses of the team. Again, nuance is a bit harder.

Sure you did. You stated that the focal point of discussion would be Alex Smith if not for the defense. Funny thing is, it is happening because the defense is playing really well.

Again, Smith is more talented than Cassel. Of this, there is no doubt. But the former's extreme conservatism plays himself down to (nearly) Cassel's level.

Maybe they gave too much credit to the Oline's ability to protect the passer. Thank goodness it's early in the season and they are working out the kinks and trying to gel.

God damn, you are a ****ing moron.

I didn't say I would be placing all the blame on Smith.

Do you even understand what the words "focal point" means?

Do you understand he is the "focal point" even though the defense is playing great?

No, they don't. But I'll say that Smith would definitely be a HUGE part of this problem, along with the absolute joke of the right side of the line. Hello, Fisher.

The offense must start to stretch the field. Period. The inability to do this is damn near crippling.

Essentially, the arguments is whether Smith is say, the #10 QB in the league or the #22 (give or take a few sports in either direction - does anyone think he is outside that range?). I'd argue at this point it really doesn't matter. Turns out our D is playing at elite level, and which makes the Smith trade worth it even if he is as relatively bad as some of you guys think. Who better than Smith was available?

Well, at this point the question is twofold:

1. Who is (almost?) as good as Smith?
2. Who would keep I-72 off the field?

Answer? Manuel, for one. (With a very narrow sample size, of course.)

I haven't watched any Bills games and would like to know how his Oline ranks vs KC's before coming that conclusion.

And I'm not proclaiming Fisher a "bust" yet, like many would be apt to do were he a QB. But I am saying that's he's been mother****ing awful so far this season.

Yeah, I don't give a mother**** about Buffalo's offensive line. Get the **** out of here with that nonsense.

When a team invests the #1 overall pick on a RT, the line is supposed to be "fixed." No excuses.

SMH :shake:

Flacco's and Rodgers stats today?

eleventy billion yds?

NOPE

x2 ... stupid like that can never be fixed.

Of course I do.

The Bills have one of the best lines in the league.

Well there you go.

What happens if GB's defense doesn't show up? Let's see...

49ers - loss
Bengals - loss

But, but, um I got nothing...

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lol.

"And their receivers are better!"

I don't think a guy with a PhD in English from Yale has the necessary reading comprehension to figure out what the hell you just composed.

I'd really like to respond to your post, but I simply have no idea where or what to respond to. It hurts my eyes. It befuddles my brain.

He's apparently the piñata for the whiny bitches who are losing their ass in fantasy football after they drafted Bowe.

For all others, I think that they are pretty pleased with a 3-0 start.

So crippling that we are 3-0.

My god, it must be hard to be you as a Chiefs fan. The rain and sleet and mud and muck must really **** up those sunny days.

The funny thing about this season so far, is that it is just proving that it takes teams to win.

I bet the Jets wouldn't be 2-1 with Sanchez.

More like 0-3.

so you have to drag your Jets slop to other threads too? JFC dude... no one curr. Now go back to your corner and continue the Geno slurping.

The void in TE hurts him. In SF he'd throw all day to Vernon Davis, even in all of his highlights the only ones where he's throwing the 9 route is to him. He needs to build more trust with Bowe. In this last game it seemed like after the first couple of targets where he dropped the ball Alex just decided to not go to him anymore. If he's not getting open then they need to run more plays that manufacture production for him. Bunch sets, motion him into the slot, etc.

I agree completely. Geno is damn good.

From what I could see it seemed to be the eagles dictating that more than Alex Smith. Hence the reason that Avery kept being able to run free. They knew without a tight end Alex would target Bowe.

You are a Niners fan. Shut up.

All we need now is an all-pro tight end and we're all set!

Or a tight end that wasn't a back up else where, or injured all the time, or a rookie that showed no hands in the preseason?

Or maybe a guy off the street is good enough? Brock, and who the hell is MCGRATH? and I wasn't saying brock as in your name, but the dude off the street

drafted Kelce early for a reason.. he just needs to get his bleeding vag onto the field and start making plays.

And you're wrong. Shut up.

Great.....just great....the NY Giants sucked badly today.

So even if KC wins next week....Alex still won't get any credit.

They need to run Bowe with those 10 yard crossing routes where he can use his size to break away from defenders. That's how he racked up all those yards in 2010.

Milk and Deez arw right. Smith looks brilliant for a few drives but most of the game he's pedestrian. I still think with improved oline play he can be a top 15 QB and with that defense that means playoffs.

Jimmy Graham FTW!!

Go get 'em Dorsey.

Winning and losing has nothing to do with evaluating Alex Smith properly.

The Chiefs Defense is playing good enough right now where almost any QB in this league would be put in a good enough situation to take advantage for a win.

Alex Smith has come through when it really matters (4th quarter drives), but the rest of the time him and the entire offense has been garbage.
Alex Smith is the leader of this offense, therefor he gets the blame.

When someone states that Eric Fisher sucks, I don't see everyone coming to his defense claiming "3-0!!!!". Shouldn't be the same for Alex Smith either. Winning is a TEAM goal, and the Defense is pulling most of the weight.

Alex Smith can Surely play much better and I hope he does, but just because this team is 3-0 doesn't relieve ANYONE on this team of criticism if they deserve it. Does anyone think Andy Reid is at the facilities right now saying to his offense, "it's okay guys, we are 3-0... no need to stop sucking ass."

And what happens once they're there?

I need to see more moments like the pivotal 3rd down throw from the shadow of his end zone on Thursday night to believe getting to the playoffs with Alex Smith at the helm means KC has a realistic chance to make some noise.

Darn!

We lose. If we had any of the QB from this draft class we also lose.

Other than maybe the Jets, and I don't believe they are going to make the playoffs, who could possibly in the AFC have a defense as good as the Chiefs?

Did you see what the Cowboys did to the Rams today?

The Chiefs defense is really good, and defense travels well. The run game will eventually will come around, and the passing game will improve.

Its silly to predict after 3 weeks that the Chiefs would roll over dead.

It wont happen. Defenses usually don't slump.

The team was perfect in the redzone for the first two games, both of which he walked out of 2 TDs 0 INT passing. That's the Alex Smith, as advertised, we're going to get. Even the best QBs in the league have bad games and if you want to call the Eagles game a "bad game" then I'll settle for "no critical mistakes, play well enough to stay competitive while making critical and sustaining drives when it matters the most" as his version of having a bad game.

Compare that with (who else?) Kaepernick:
At best, 400+ yards passing 3 TDs (week 1 win).
At worst, 6 turnovers, 0 TDs 139 YPG passing average (week 2+3 losses)

Alex may not ever have that high of a game but he won't have that low of a low.

Maybe they win a wild card game but they are comparable to the Bengals of last year with a worse offense.

Today yes. But that's assuming that the offense doesn't get better. I don't think that is possible.

How about the 2011 49ers? :evil:

Go ahead and note the grammatical problems and inaccuracies, and I'll respond in kind.

The post is clear, but I'll accept the tap out if you'd like.

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To tell you the truth, I didn't even notice any grammatical errors as the entire post, from a comprehension standpoint, was a complete mishmash of inane blather.

Sure, Dostoevsky and Burroughs made their marks in literary history with cacophonous ramblings, but you've reached a whole new level of WTF?.

I won't argue that... however...

How much is Alex Smith going to improve from this year to next year? Is he going to take the step - at age 30 - that makes him a QB who can CARRY an offense against elite teams? Or is he going to continue being an efficient guy who doesn't make mistakes but has to rely on his defense and run game to be successful?

As long as he's not the lock-stock-and-two-smoking-barrels "answer," and is replaced by the 2015 season, that isn't an issue (other than overpayment for him in the first place).

As long as a 2013 QB class guy isn't a "Star" type QB by the end of the 2014 season, I wouldn't even say it was an issue.

But if Geno Smith or Manuel or Matt Barkley, etc., is a star by that time? Yikes.

This. For reasons I can not fathom, Alex Smith is putting up yards from God knows where. I don't see it in the games, but there it is.
This offense produces an effect I can best describe as "nail-biting constipation", but Special Teams and Defense are ****ing spectacular this year.
A deep threat QB and another high-talent receiver put the Chiefs in contention for a Championship every year.

Ny is freaking me out though. They're due, and we've got extra time off. Not a good combination IMO.

Brandon Weedon is older than Alex Smith and Browns fans are still holding out hope for him to develop ROFL Also, we weren't the only team to pass on any of those guys and nothing so far has indicated that they are special in any way, especially in respect to their draft position versus where we would have drafted them. IMO at best they'll be like Sam Bradford--a supposed household name yet trend in mediocrity even 3-4 years down the road and not really do anything.

Alex Smith will always be limited.

The thing is Andy has shown he's not married to a qb. This isn't Herm who backed his way into a few playoffs or the Pioli era where he road Tom Bradys coatails. Reid has won a lot of games playoffs included. There's no reason why we shouldn't think this franchises best days are ahead.

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009412]Well, when one considers that he was a special teams fumble+turnover away from being the starting QB in the Superbowl in 2012, and was leading the best team in the NFC (and leading the NFL in several QB categories) prior to his minor injury which led to the now (in)famous Harbaugh QB switch, I'd say he's a QB who can carry an offense against elite teams.

Considering that football gets played on both sides of the ball by 22 different guys, and that the Chiefs best players are Jamaal Charles and all those first round draft picks on the defensive side of the ball, why wouldn't you want to make sure that you crafted a game plan with those specific guys in mind?

Having a QB that doesn't turn the ball over and who is capable of running a solid, well executed ball control offense in conjunction with a top defense, top running back and top punter to control the field position is what most teams in the NFL would love. That's a pretty solid formula for winning a lot of games.

I get the fascination of having a QB that's capable of stretching the field, but those guys also can kill a drive with turnovers. Go watch Matt Stafford and the Lions to see a perfect example of this type of concept.

WTF? If the guy is winning games and has the Chiefs in the playoff hunt, why in the world would you look to replace him? So your Madden team or Chiefs heavy fantasy team can kick a little more ass? **** that. That's dumb as shit in the thought process department.

Yikes what? If the Chiefs win, who gives a shit? It's the same thing. And those three guys will most likely never reach what Cam Newton has put up statistically and how many championships has he won? Also, how's that "we should have given up what the Redskins gave up for Griffin" thing looking right about now?

You ****ing people and your fascination with "let's draft any QB available just so we can say we drafted one in the first round." It's pretty ****ing sad actually and would have netted us world class turds like Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez if some of you had a say in it.

But Alex Smith has this team at 3-0 for the first time in eons and you are already looking to replace him just so you can say the Chiefs drafted a dude by themselves.

Idiots.

Well they certainly aren't behind. ROFL

No shit. I think Reid is the franchises best coach since Stram.

The offense you witnessed Thursday makes you proclaim this?:shake:

The ability to get the most out of his players.

If this is all you see with this team you are far more reeruned than I could ever imagine.

Please OD on meth.

I can buy that. I see Stram as the most innovative HC the AFC has probably ever had, so it's hard for me to see Reid in that light.

As to you; the line for removing the choco-semen from your face and lips forms on the left.

(you know, due to that hot facial Geno gave you today?)

[QUOTE=Saccopoo;10009496]Sacc -

Let me start by saying:

I was not dumb enough to draft any Chiefs receiver in any of my fantasy leagues. I avoided them like the plague, in fact (though I did take a stab at Travis Kelce in an extremely deep (24-man roster) league. I did, however, take Ryan Succop in several.

So fantasy football has nothing to do with this.

Moving on...

Re: Being a fumble away... he was also a few third-down conversions away from being in the Super Bowl, so there's that. Smith wasn't exactly a star in that NFC Championship Game.

Drafting a QB in the first just to draft a guy also has nothing to do with it. Having a QB who is a star is everything to do with it. That's the best way to win consistently at a high level and have a real chance in the playoffs, time after time.

If Alex Smith can be that, cool. I'm still waiting for signs that he can. I want him replaced if he doesn't show he is better than he has played so far, if he doesn't elevate his game from "good game manager" to star QB. I wouldn't call my feeling "anxious" to replace him. It's more like I've got a quick hook.

I don't believe "good game manager" is going to be good enough to win in the playoffs. If KC makes the playoffs this year and next and that fear/belief plays out, and EJ Manuel or Geno Smith is a star by that time, then HELL YES I'm going to say YIKES.

Pairing this defense with a star QB would be deadly.

I read the last handful of pages.

DeezNutz is speaking the truth, but the shitty part for him is that at the end of the argument, his opponents will say ONE thing, the argument is over, and Deez lost.

"3-0."

And the shitty part for Deez's opponents is that the only way for them to open their goddamn ears and rationalize what Smith actually is as a QB is to lose in the playoffs, realizing that this kind of winning is unsustainable. It will be painful and disheartening, just like the Cassel loss in 2010 was.

I'm not saying we need to turn this place into SchopenhauerPlanet or anything, but it would be nice if people would actually address concerns raised about Alex Smith instead of turning a deaf ear to it all and constantly whacking off to 3-0.

I like everything about the direction of the franchise, with one exception. I am worried about the QB spot. Other than that, it's gravy.

If Reid isn't married to Alex Smith at this point, that's encouraging. As I've said several times, as a Chiefs fan (with my heart), I hope Alex Smith can take a step up and be better and be a QB worth marrying. I just need to see that before I'll believe it.

Still waiting... still watching... still hoping to see it consistently (and not just in glimpses like we saw Thursday night).

[QUOTE=duncan_idaho;10009552]Pairing this defense with a QB who understands ball control, time management and field position makes them deadly.

This is the same defensive players we saw last year with the exception of Sean Smith and Mike DeVito.

Cassel killed these guys with his turnovers and inability to sustain a drive.

Smith, playing in an Andy Reid offense, is the type of QB who will keep these guys fresh and let them attack the ball versus having to play against the ball as you saw last season and the previous three with Cassel.

This defense is already deadly.

This sounds like it's coming from a fan of a team that's been eliminated in playoff contention for years. We're SUPPOSED to be in a rebuilding state right now. This is Andy's first year. We just witnessed a 2-14 season and we've just started 3-0 and you want to complain that it's not good enough because you want a QB blowing people up in those games instead (which, I would hope, would result in 3-0 anyway)? Also, who was the QB available at the time that would have done this? I'm really baffled at all the whining and crying going on about a 3-0 team with a QB that's thrown 4 TDs to 0 INTs, especially after the QB play from a year ago.

[QUOTE=Saccopoo;10009575]Sure, the defense is helped by the offense not screwing them consistently. It's also helped considerably by the steps forward taken by guys like Dontari Poe and Eric Berry (whose health and experience seem to be allowing him to finally live up to ALL of the hype rather than 80 percent of it).

But the success of that type of football tends to expire with the end of the regular season and start of the playoffs.

I need to see MORE of Alex Smith making plays in tough spots before I'll believe he can translate that success to the postseason.

I don't think the offense we are seeing right now, is the same one we will see in week 10, or 16. It's still in it's young phases of figuring itself out.

That said, Alex Smith has gotten better each week, statistically speaking, as well as has looked more comfortable at times.

Again, I don't think anyone here doesn't want the Chiefs to have an elite QB, but it isn't as if those guys are everywhere.

It seems to come back to the whole elite or bust. How many truly elite guys are there out there that can beat elite teams by himself consistently? 4?