THAT is a fact. Ever been to a night football game there? I have, and will never ever do that again.

Nobody has come out to deny it either at this point. So that really doesn't mean anything.

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If I'm the coach, I absolutely stick up for him.

Strongly agree.

The world has become too sensitive IMO. I'm not sure what was said, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say I doubt the old guy was "cheering on his team." If he was talking shit to the player, and athlete, meh, it's all good. Far too many people say "fighting is never the answer" then welcome home our troops. Not that they're the same thing (please don't preach to me!!), but it's pretty clear that sometime physical combat is at least one of the options available to some being heckled and hecklers need to talk shit with that in mind.

So yeah, Smart crossed some modern-day line, but I'm OK with that line getting moved back/returning to something closer to where it used to be and hecklers only heckle to the extent they can back it up.

It'll be interesting to see if the press is cool enough to focus in on the fat-ass heckler and see is he keeps trash talking high-end athletes. I know I'd love to have him near me at an event, I'd heckle (him) like a remind him what kind of son his father raised.

So outside of any racial issues, if you look at this from a tactical/strategic point of view it was an outstanding move on the part of the fan. The game was probably over with 6 seconds left and a 2 point lead. But it was definitely over after the technical and the four point lead. With a word or phase he was able to close out the game. Combine that if Smart gets a suspension and that's a major tactical win. All because Smart lost control of his emotions.

That's the side of being offended that isn't talked about much. When you are offended by what someone says you are giving them power over you. They now have the ability to influence/control your emotional state. Being offended is a vulnerability and a weakness that can be exploited by someone who knows it to control your behavior.

Being offended is always a choice, you choose to be offended and you have the ability to choose not to be offended. It's all about control.

Smarts weakness has just been put on a national stage. Do you think that's going to make people NOT use it? Hell no if anything they will use it more. He's already made one major tactical blunder if people can get inside his head and force him to make another they will.

Was the original dude probably racist? Sure almost certainly, it's doubtful that he had some higher strategic intent. That said he exposed a weakness that a lot of other people will now use against him. If Smart doesn't learn to not be offended quickly it's likely going to impact his team at a more critical moment.

I think Smart will learn from this. He almost has to.

If Tech benefited from a fan's actions influencing a game then something is seriously wrong with what happened.

Thats how it works. Hell thats how the world works. If someone calls me a ****ing reerun I dont go physically assaulting him. Ive been threatened at card games, cards thrown at my face...i should have got up and just punched them in the face? At some point you have to be better than that, regardless of what is said. Its NEVER ok to attack a fan. Just like it would never be ok to attack or throw something at a player

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Travesty.

Can't wait to see Orr's life get dissected in the next week or two. Hell hath no fury like an internet mob scorned.

Yeah this guy is gonna get whats coming to him, worse than Marcus Smart. Thats whats great about our society. These things usually govern themselves

That's what's great about society WHEN things govern themselves. The majority of these assholes wear teflon coats.

And then there are instances where the mob goes after the wrong person.

A tech fan calling someone a racial slur?

What else is new?

**** the sand aggies and anyone who is a fan of theirs or went to tech.

They said he called him a piece of crap. There is a video where u hear it kinda...still has to be more than that

So, if he called a kid a piece of crap why did Orr decide on not attending any more home/away TTU games. Seems a bit fishy to me.

http://youtu.be/U5tqqJ_h7ak

So apparently he was called ''you piece of crap''

Thats it.

Hes on the ground exactly when you hear that. In the exchange when the two are face to face, he appears to mouth the words ''sorry about that''. Then Smart pushes him

So much for the racist theory. Yeah Smart may have told coaches he was.called that, but its pretty clear he was trying to cover his ass.

What a stupid thing to say if you're being serious.

So, does this change anything if he really only called a kid a "piece of crap."

Smart needs to get his emotions in check.

Marcus should change his last name. It certainly doesn't fit.

I can hear "piece of..." And then the audio of it shuts down and you can't hear the rest of the dialogue. Did Tech doctor this video? LMAO

Do you think he called him a "piece of n-word"? That doesn't make any sense.

I'll go a step further. It sounds like bullshit to me.

You're the black guy who hates black people. .obviously you're not offended.

I don't know what he said because we can't hear anything based on that video. I have no idea what it is supposed to prove. Kind of embarrassing that Tech would put something so inconclusive out there and pretend like it means something.

Of course though. You're Smart's biggest fan.

Yeah, its surely a conspiracy. You can clearly hear you piece of crap when hes on the ground. you probably think 911 was an inside job too

He said piece of crap

I still don't see a problem. Smart put the dude in his place and then walked away.

Heckling college players is douche bag shit. Proffesional players are a whole other thing.

The Media shitstorm is ridiculous. Pussification of America

No, I'll save that one for the real conspiracy theorists. I'm just saying I can't clearly hear anything (and I don't see how anybody else could either). I think I can hear "piece of" and then the audio seems to completely shut off from the guy.

Shame on all the racist people out there assuming Jeff Orr called Smart a racial slur. You people are the real pieces of crap.

It's times like this that I'd love the pillowbiters who make these decisions to be forced into the public so we could call them names, degrade their children and mothers, mock their wives, and do it day-in and day-out (not just once), and watch them "do nothing". Even if it's to bring in "security" to handle their mockers, that's something. Again, had fat-ass held if pillowbiter-ass tongue, this would never have happened. I can only hope his family takes never-ending shit from folks for the coming weeks. Just words, not violence, and lets see if that pillowbiter "walks away"! It's not like the fat **** doing the mocking was even tossed. And his whore, slut, cum-dripping (from the street corner) wife was helping him. Her whore self was using her jack-off finger to point at a real man.

The good news is that the world has a picture of him and his slut, hopefully their will to mock and heckle are put to the test in the coming weeks..

also what does Marcus smart stand for? Thats all I heard.

Exactly....this video is be...piece of crap then nothing

and what will happen to the fan? Will he lose his tickets??

It's also an embarrassment to me that Tech would basically side with their asshole fan in this instance. The guy "voluntarily agreed" not to attend any more games this year. If his actions really are "unacceptable" and "not condoned" by the university as it says, ban him from the ****ing games.

He said he wont go to another game this yr

From the audio, doesn't sound like it. But it sounds like LOTS of OSU alumni are coming out of the woodwork claiming that Orr says some weird shit and that the N-word is said all the time at games in Lubbock. Was he guilty this instance? Who knows. But it sounds like he had this coming for a long time and got off light.

I'm sure hes probably a booster too.

How many fans were sitting around Orr? Lets hear one fan in the 40 or so ppl vicinity that would have heard what he said, go on record saying that he called him otherwise. I haven't heard it.

The problem is so many ppl want to assume race baiting right away without any evidence. Then when you supply evidence (the video) they deny it, say it must be "doctored". Just unbelievable. Calling someone a piece of crap, at a sporting even, is on the lesser end of the spectrum of the worst things I've heard. Not even close to being bad. Go to a Chiefs game one time, listen to what is yelled at the opposing team when they are on offense, you'll hear wayyy worse.

Ban him for calling Smart a piece of crap? If they start banning every fan that says something derogatory towards a player from an opposing team, Allen Field House is going to be pretty empty.

No doubt. Just another reason their statement and inconclusive video is incredibly suspect.

Why? The fan is being slandered all over social media. They sure as hell better back up their fan if they have the evidence. Good for them IMO. I had teetered onto Smart's side a bit once everybody on twitter (who wasn't at the game) were saying he said "go back to africa", but it makes perfect sense now. Nothing remotely like that was said, Smart is just a hot head.

You're obviously not familiar with Lubbock and Sand Aggie fans. That guy will be a hero locally.

Sand Aggie fans are as bad as raider fans.

Yes, if that's in fact what he said (and I don't see how any reasonable person could actually believe that based on what we know).

Good. If people can't attend a game without insulting college athletes personally, they don't deserve to be there.

First of all, if you go to a game and call a player a piece of crap, you have established that you are a pretty lame. What sucks is Smart supposedly said the guy used the N word. That's bullshit. This guy's going to have Al Sharpton and Jesse all up in his ass.

LMAO

If you really believe that inconclusive video constituted evidence of anything, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Ive gotten 8 texts in the last 20 minutes from ESPN about this shit. Good lord. DElete.

You admit you hear "piece of" on the video. What do you think would logically follow that? At the very least we know Smart is a liar. This is no worse than yelling "you suck" at an opposing player. Shit like that happens at every college basketball game played and to my knowledge Smart is the only player to shove a fan.

He's like a superfan at TT. There's TT videos pimping him. Sound bites from coaches. He's famous. And undoubtedly gives them a lot of money.

I've come to two conclusions about this...

The real racists are shown in all of this.

Smart is a mental midget that needs professional counseling.

Thats kinda what i figured....therefore, no punishment will take place, and this incident will be forgotten about next year.

You're right, the whole city is a bundle of sticks-fest...

But I trust Karma...

It doesn't matter what the fan called Smart, even if he was called the n-word (and I don't think he was) he should've turned his back and walked away. In 1947 there was a player named Jackie Robinson and if a guy like Jackie Robinson could handle everything that he had to deal with then these guys in the 21st century certainly can handle these sorts of things.

Okay lets hear ONE fan, just one, go on record who was in the vicinity claim he said something other than that. It hasn't happened yet. Angry mob on twitter jumped to the race conclusion. If I heard ANY fan say the N-word at Allen Field House, i'd let them know about it right away and would let everybody know about how repulsive such behavior is.

And yeah, you guys say you want some proof, well the video is that proof. The gif and lipreaders also haven't saw anywhere where he could have mouthed the N-word or go back to africa. I don't understand what is so hard about this. Conspiracy theorist crack me up. COVER UP OMG OMG

It's a really good idea to encourage athletes to charge fans. I'm sure Larry Lubbock would love the opportunity to pull out his 38 special and cap someone. Great idea.

You heard "piece of shit" from a video where the camera isn't focused on the guy.....and it's a given that he's the one that said it? An entire stadium and the camera picked up the words from one guy only? For all anyone knows....it could be the cameraman saying piece of shit for getting knocked over.

Here's the thing. When does being a fan go from being zealous to overzealous to being a piece of shit? Here's an interesting story that goes beyond race. What happens when fans start criticizing a mother you just lost? Well, in this case, it clearly affected the player but at what cost? I don't know how any fan can live with themselves thinking this kind of thing is okay.


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The video is hilarious. I love the dumb bitch clapping in his face as he confronts Orr. Then he reaches over her to shove the loser and she ducks and covers in horror. Big, angry black man! Scary!

Sooooo your point is?

You hear "piece of crap" when Smart is on the ground, the VERY moment, when Smart gets his panties in a bunch and jumps up to confront the fan. The audio is in virtually the same place as where Marcus Smart had fallen. It very well could be that Marcus Smart thought he heard something he hadn't because he was upset with the game, how things were going, but we would hear virtually the same thing Smart and any other fan would have heard in that area by the video. This is undisputable. Like I said, lets hear one, just ONE fan who was actually at the game, in this section, say that Orr said something otherwise. There are none.

I take it you've never heard someone called a piece of shit ****er before. I have. The other thing about the video is that we can't hear anything else after the initial voice. There could have been much more there, but the dialogue seems to immediately shut off after what sounds like "piece of." You can come up with your own conclusions as to why that might be.

Except we don't. Not at all.

Again, just like last night, the rush to defend this asshole fan who has a history of making derogatory statements at these games towards college athletes is pretty amazing to me.

In the middle of this cover up, Texas Tech has created a fake video with fake audio to support the story. Got it. LMAO

Hold your cell phone up at a game, say something, and see how it sounds based on the background noise. Wasn't the camera man.

Good lord. Big 6 foot 4 inch 230 pound elite athlete. You are sounding like the racist here. Women cowers back in fear after husband gets pushed, pretty natural reaction. Don't see how that has to do with race.

Not saying the lady is racist. Just a really hilarious moment. Not the wife, btw.

I think it's crazy that so many are rushing to condemn the fan who got physically assaulted, by saying it's okay because poor wittle marcus smart was called a name.

Until someone in the vicinity goes public to deny it, this also means jack shit too.

Im surprised this hasn't been posted yet. Same guy. Popular clip among aggie fans and it's now getting more attention LMAO. Wait for the end.

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You posted this no less than an hour ago:

Then apparently some bullshit Tech video that proves absolutely nothing caused a complete 180. LMAO

Also, you expect us to believe anything Marcus Smart says? The same guy that flops more than any player in college basketball. It's not reasonable to assume that he's "flopping" on this one by claiming to coaches afterwards he was called a racial slur to neutralize the situation? Smart's not stupid. I'm sure after he did that, he was thinking, shit...what can I do to make me come out of this looking the best way possible.

I believe his point was that Texas Tech University is not a particularly credible source on this issue. Shocking, I know.

Yep. Cuz so many ppl on twitter were saying he said "Go Back to Africa". Hell, I was starting to believe it. If he said that, I would have totally different tune. Only person saying Orr said something other than "piece of crap" is Marcus "flopping in life" Smart.

Yes, he came up with this deceitful plan to smear this guy within seconds of shoving him. He even got the guy he shoved to text one of his friends after the game that he went too far and felt bad about it. That evil genius, Marcus Smart.

Hilarious the lengths some are going. LMAO

Well he flops within quasi seconds of seeing an elbow. Certainly plausible. If he was so sure he was called a racial slur, how come he would apologize to the fan Orr, and why wouldn't they hint more at it being a racial slur in the press conference? If you are called a racial slur, you don't apologize to the individual themselves. If it indeed was a racial slur, it would be Smart's best interest to come out and say that is what he at least "thought he heard" and overreacted.

My advice would be not to believe everything you read. If your opinion can take a complete 180 on the basis of an excuse that clearly sets off the bullshit detectors and a video that proves nothing at all, perhaps you're just a bit too easily swayed.