Just bc these players are young doesn't mean they suck. Marcus Cooper won us games last year

In the first round of the draft.

SD game where the 5 olineman had to key on blocking one good player and then a bunch of scabs

It's March 11 the starting OLine when the season starts will be different.

For his sake....I ****ing hope so.

Kinda like the NFL combine where player X shines and they throw out his body of work in favor of outstanding combine numbers ...:hmmm:

Marcus Cooper also lost us games last year.

Young guys need to be developed. If you're developing them ON THE FIELD, you're potentially sacrificing wins now for wins in the future.

There are guys on this team that have an exceedingly short future. The purposefully signed guys last year (Alex Smith) that don't have a long window.

I understand the approach. Totally understand it.

But if you compare it to last year, where they did the EXACT opposite, it makes no sense. It appears to be very reactive and not very proactive.

You forgot the other important part. Guys like DJ, Hali, Poe, Houston, Flowers, etc gotta stop sucking when the game really matters. When it came down to it, Smith stepped up, the defense went to sleep.

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Man the pannic around here right now is just funny. Two meh guards leave, a midget walks, and no news on two meh safety's and a two down ilb. Everyone loose their shit! Anyone who didn't see this coming is a ****tard. Dorsey does what Dorsey knows. Plain and simple. Do you really think our honchos really want to keep every pioli pick? **** no. I'm sure they'd like to keep either guard and DMC. But what are they really worth? Not what they're getting paid. Now we'll get some comp picks. Draft 10 ****ing guys that are what they want and fit what we're doing. Then profit.

We are developing young guys while using veterans as the focal point.

I'm glad we're not selling our souls like the Broncos. That team is ****ed when Manning retires. Their drafting has been terrible.

If you look at what they did last year and what it appears they are doing this year (and I'll be the first to admit it's WAY EARLY) you can't honestly say you have a clue what they're going to do.

There's no consistency.

As much as you guys don't believe it, a youth movement is needed. Tamba and DJ are almost done, Flowers is always hurt and wants $$$ to play the ****ing slot.
Dorsey has no ****ing choice people.

Flowers and Hali are both gone next year.

that makes sense and all but if they extend 30 year old Alex Smith to a big contract then it contradicts it entirely

Who here doesn't believe it?

You're missing the point.

If the team is now recognizing this team needs to be rebuilt, especially from the inside out, why give a big contract to Bowe? Why give up two 2nds for Alex Smith, who is essentially now a transitional QB rather than your franchise?

The biggest folly of the Herm years was that they tried to patch it together in year 1 and THEN stripped it down to rebuild.

If Dorsey and Reid thought this team needed to be rebuilt, they should have started LAST YEAR.

QB has a very different shelf life than cornerback.

Exactly.

So you're expecting to get another how many years out of Smith?

Certainly, QBs last longer than some other positions. But 38-year old QBs performing at a high level isn't the norm...

I know exactly what they are doing. Relying on veterans to do all the work. Von is a dumbass who is not what he was, Chris Harris ****ed his knee up, they are losing Decker.

They're going all out with veterans without bringing in quality young players to take over and it's going to bite them in the ass soon

you cant have a youth movement/rebuild with a 30 year old QB that gets say an 80 million extension


thats just silly

I'm not talking about the Broncos.

If that's the case then why trade two ****ing 2nd's when those would have been really useful for a youth movement?

It's almost a guarantee I'm sure that Alex Smith will be signed to an extension. So with this youth movement Alex Smith will probably be 33 or 34 by the time the rest of the roster is built up and competitive.

There is no god damned consistency with what Dorsey is doing. If you're going for a youth movement, then go all out and do a youth movement. But don't splurge in FA and trade picks for an average QB when you could be building the team up.

I can see what Dorsey is doing/has done....but it doesn't ****ing mean that I have to be happy about it. And it doesn't guarantee that it's going to ****ing work.

Alex Smith was in a youth movement for like 7 years in SF and got to enjoy the built roster for basically one and a half seasons. Hes not doing that bullshit again

I'll be shocked if Schwartz is any better than average next semester.
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I feel sorry for Alex Smith if they turn over the entire line.

I'll be shocked if he isn't.

ROFL Why would you say that? Do you just post stuff without knowing anything on the subject? Never mind...

If the SOC wants to lay claim to running off Pioli. Then getting Alex Smith has to be laid at their feet as well. Hunt needed to win soon or risk losing the fan base.

Difference is, he has a good coaching staff to start with this time and, if he plays without reservations like he did against the Colts and for much of the second half of the season, he has shown the ability to elevate the play of those around him as well. All he needs is a good defense and for the overpaid defensive stars to play to the level of their damn pay checks when it matters.

Why does it matter?

The point is that the line is losing considerable continuity. That's never a good thing. Never.

Especially going into a year when we have a tough ass schedule.

If the offensive line can't protect him, we know what happens.

Pure BlackBob ridiculousness. Just plain dumb.

Alex Smiths play with the current roster is not an argument for Alex Smith with a youth movement

because get this, the current roster has win now players in their prime. Imagine that.

So because there's no rumors of fa talks we assume this is a complete rebuild from now on?

Losing 7 games of continuity? Really? If we can't get a guard to play as good as or better than Schwartz, we have a bigger problem. He's started 26 games in 6 years for a reason.
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What else can we do? We can only discuss what we know and then speculate.

Should we just not talk about it?

Rainbows and unicorns! Chiefs rule!

I would expect 5-6 years of Smith playing at this level, barring injury. And that's about as long of a contract as he should get.

Realistically, I think you're looking at a 6 year deal worth around 70 million, and we will not see that through.

I would like to him signed through 2019 and draft his replacement in the first round sooner rather than later.

I really do think that having a stable, capable quarterback was vital to other players' development as well. I have no idea how the hell you evaluate OL or WR or TE or RB when you have Brady Quinn and Tyler Palko slugging it out.

We needed someone that the team could look at and say "I'm not just taking a pounding for nothing. We can actually win a game." Alex Smith was a very stabilizing presence for a team that had really been in crisis for a few years. Hopefully, that continues, but Dorsey realizes that he will have to re-up his investment at QB in the form of an early round draft pick.

I mean, if Reid can replicate finding Foles in the second round, sitting him for a year to learn, and then having a guy ready to take over... I'm happy as shit.

It's not just about Schwartz.

The line finally started to gel towards the end of the season.

Now we're looking at two new tackles, a new guard, potentially a new center.

You can't have that much turnover and expect to succeed, at least not right away.

Paying top 5 money to a slot corner that can't even adequately cover #1 WRs and had all of 7 PDefs last season.:clap: Only the Chiefs.

You hope he does.

yea Reids not finding another Foles

Yeah, I was trying to say that. "Hopefully... Dorsey realizes..."

They'd better ****ing sign Houston before the beginning of next year. Otherwise say goodbye because they'll let themselves get outbid.

Reid isn't finding anybody. Dorsey is running the draft.

They would probably release Hali and tag Houston if it came down to it.

Well if that's the case, I'm glad they locked up Frank Zombo.

I'm guessing that's why they are letting most of these guys walk. They have faith in some of their younger guys, and they need to get Houston and Poe and Berry extended, and probably rework Charles' deal since he's pretty underpaid (and will likely want to get it reworked)...

Ever think that this is why they aren't overpaying for a journeymen guard?

Why would they get outbid?
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That doesn't mean Reid won't be evaluating quarterbacks.

Seriously? There are always going to be teams that are flush with cap room and willing to pay more for a player to fill a huge hole on their roster.

Charles isn't underpaid. He's a RB, his wheels could fall off at any time.

I was being sarcastic.

As good as Charles is, RBs are a dime a dozen. Great ones can be found anywhere in the draft. Would much rather pay a good WR or build a great OL vs paying a ton of money to a RB in this league.

Charles gets paid peanuts for being the only guy on offense that can move the ball consistently

This thread is hilarious. People want to overpay for a journeyman guard and then pay for Houston.

Wrong.

You keep Schwartz then you're overpaying

So that statement could literally go for any player in the league.
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Contracts increase over the years. It's what happens.

Levitre got $8 million last year. Vasquez got $7.5. I bet Schwartz doesn't touch either of those.

If every free agent that signs a contract is "overpaid", the definition of overpaid is no longer valid.

Meter broken.

Yeah, I've said all along that this idea that Dorsey is in complete control of personnel is bunk. The head coach is gonna have some say.

Sorry I took it out on you. It's hard to resist those "back at ya" moments.

We don't have that much money. So who are you cutting from the team to be able to afford this journeyman guard?

I'm with you. I think Reid stepped back from the draft, getting scouting reports from regional guys and all that. But the idea that he doesn't have some say in who the team drafts in the first round I just don't buy.

It's like, people don't realize that movies aren't just made by the guy in charge of production. The lady in charge of marketing has a hell of a say about what gets made.

If we don't have that kind of money, the only logical conclusion then is that we're going to not replace him. We're going to go into the season with what we have (and potentially someone from the draft).

Considering the moves they made last offseason, how in God's holy name does that make one bit of sense?

Who are you starting in his place without having a drop off?

The Chiefs farm system is loaded. Just like the Royals.

Cham-peen-ship!

So the realists who saw this team lose to every playoff team they played last year and recognize they need to get better talent to compete are dramatic dumbasses but the guys who think Sanders Cummings and a bunch of other late round draft picks will get us over the hump are right. Hilarious.

This board has never seen a late round pick it didn't like and the funny thing is most of them dont work out.

While the niners traded a 6th for Boldin our GM drafted Trevor Wilson LMAO

Not sure yet. I think this is why they drafted Kush honestly.

Are you not confident in Dorsey to find that player after he literally did that with Schwartz, Abdullah, Demps on ST's, McGrath, A. Jordan and Cooper?

Some other free agent guard we pick up for $1m/1 year. Just like Schwartz.

Damn, suckas be actin like Schwartz wuz all pro bowlz n shit

meh. We had a bunch of cap money last year and spent it.
If Asamoah really got anything like 4.5 million then Schwartz was never really an option.

It was a good buy low signing by Dorsey. He'll have to keep doing that and/or finding young talent through the draft. In hindsight, it would've been amazing if Dorsey had given him a 3 year deal last season.

I'm supposed to be confident when really the only starters that he got out of that group was Jordan and Cooper? Schwartz started because Asamoah got injured and then proved that he should have been starting the entire time....and now he's gone. Abdullah and Demps were so awesome that Lewis was never benched the entire season. McGrath started because of injures.

Abdullah? Demps? McGrath?

You're talking about role players. ST guys and backups.

I absolutely trust Dorsey to find those kinds of guys.

He's yet to prove he can find someone to protect Alex Smith as a full-time starter though...

@TerezPaylor: With McCluster, Albert, Schwartz and Asamoah headed out, #Chiefs will look for free-agent bargains this week: http://t.co/eiDU46geJV

We're going to find out soon who these guys have in mind to sign and step in. Let's wait until they actually sign these players first before we crucify the GM that literally did a great job of finding talent to step in last year.

I haven't crucified him once.

Schwartz was pretty good last year as a starter. Let's see who he gets this time before we judge.

O line was the weakest link on the team besides Kendrick Lewis. Why resign these guys to huge contracts when they never really got it together last year and played as a unit?