You did not see him play one game at LT.

He was a rookie from a small school.

How can you seriously say your opinion is based in logic given these circumstances?

Who is talking about QBs, other than you?

Neither is drafting shitty players.

Did he play last year? I must have missed where he didn't play so we have nothing to base our opinions on.

LMAO at all of the people bringing QBs into the argument when no one else has brought that up. Speaking of people who can't let shit go...

bingo.

That we took at 1.1.

We were told he was the way player available in the draft. Either we were lied to, or our front office sucked.

Meanwhile, people are happy that we didn't give Geoff Schwartz a whopping $3M more than Jeff Linkenbach - and all that dude did was perform as our best OL the last 1/3 of the season.

No. Teams start players largely due to draft position.

It's a weird logical circle. When a player fails, it is the coaching staff's fault. When the coaches make a decision that someone questions, those coaches should be trusted absolutely.

Does not compute.

How many nose tackles struggle as rookies and then become pro bowlers the next year?

Oh yeah, there's this Dontari Poe fella.

Fisher could be different, but he also could blossom in his second year in the same manner just like Poe.

Why is everyone coming at me with this "didn't take a qb, go cry somewhere else"?

I didn't even want them to take a qb. I wanted te 3tech de that went to NY and wrecked shit as a rookie defensive lineman.

Wait, the chiefs have told me that can't happen, I'm confused.

Fisher will be a badass at guard in a couple years.

The Chiefs didn't. They started him at RIGHT tackle.

The only thing it says is that he would be playing LT.
That's it.
The position he was drafted at 1.1 to play.

Hilarious that the same people that bitched about Dorsey saying that Fisher was penciled in at RT are now bitching because Reid simply says he will be "playing LT"

Yep.

Although I don't really care about that, as I was thinking that money would go to a free safety or something.

Silly me

Don't you just love it when one person is saying that everyone else is wrong and just does not understand or can't read what that one person is writing. Yep the problem is everyone else not the singular entity.

Let's just pretend that Albert was not on the roster.

If you're talking about me, you might want to check that.

I don't have to pretend anything.

He pointed to the history of other teams, I didn't.

The fact that Albert was on the roster is irrelevant.

Lets just pretend that he should have been if they were picking Fisher.

Ok, he was physically beaten. He's also a rookie from a small school who was taking a big step up in competition. He probably shouldn't have even started last year. He clearly wasn't ready. It doesn't mean he can't make massive improvements.

ROFL

:facepalm:

Our 1.1 needs every snap he can get to maximize his and our chance of success. Then if he struggles bad enough they'll do something different. I mean if they were damming the torpedoes in regards to playing Fisher playing LT they would have forced him into it last year. Relax it's only March.

Truth.

Splitting hairs, much?

Completely different things.

On one end: You're taking a "safe" player at 1.1 overall to play him at RT for a year and then slide him to LT to replace a good player.

On the other: You're giving the LT spot to that same safe player despite him being extremely disappointing as a rookie and being outplayed overall by another young player on the roster.

There was a Pro-bowl LT on the roster.

Are you suggesting we play Albert at G, or RT?

You pointed to the history of other teams, did you not?

Yet, you don't have any examples of other teams doing what the Chiefs did, do you?

I'm sorry you painted yourself in to a corner. I'll take it easier on you next time.

Wow.

We've gone from "no problem handing him the job without any competition based solely on being 1.1" to "he shouldn't have even started last year, he clearly wasn't ready."

Interesting twist. He's good enough to be 1.1 and be handed a job, but not good enough to start in his rookie season.

LMAO

Ad this was the guy we said was the best player in the entire draft. Does no one else see the farce here?

Te best player we thought available, got physically beaten and was te 3rd best tackle in our team.

Judging rookies after one year is always the logical thing to do ROFL

Tap out acknowledged.

I think what most people are suggesting is that you dont make that pick at 1.1 with a pro-bowl LT already on the roster.

ROFL

He was basically given the RT spot, and if Albert had been here he would have been given the LT spot.

Every team does it. The ONLY reason he played RT is because the team failed to trade Albert.

They started him there because they were not able to trade Albert. They should have told Albert to STFU and play LG IMO. Instead they choose the higher road to keep the locker room in good spirits. Probably a good move on their part in all reality. The only draw back is that some fans are not capable of understanding what was asked of Fisher and that it was a short term solution from the very beginning.

Are you serious?

There's a simple easy answer here guys. It's "don't draft this guy"

And this is where I'll bring up the QB topic. People argued forever that you can't take a QB at 1.1 and sit him for a year behind Alex Smith. But we probably should have benched our 1.1 LT because he was from a small school and wasn't ready.

ROFL

Which implies a lack of forethought on their part.

Your contribution today has been hilarious. It is nice to see that you can laugh at your own stupidity.

But geno sucks right?

No....they should have taken what they could get for Albert.....or you know....actually ****ing pay the guy that was playing the LT position already.

You do when that LT's contract is up and wants 10mil per. season.

Fisher played RT over Stephenson for much of last year despite being an inferior player. Why would I relax considering that history?

They have had a clear vision since drafting Fisher 1.1 overall.

1) Draft Fisher
2) Let Albert walk
3) Play Fisher at LT and profit

There have been no indications they will waiver from that vision.

LOL

Do you really think I'm saying that Fisher should have started ahead of Albert?

Largely does not mean always.

If the Chiefs were going to play wait-and-see games with Albert like this, they should have drafted DJ Fluker at 1.1 and given themselves an entire offseason to watch both Albert AND Donald Stephenson. If they like Stephenson, let Albert walk the next season. If they don't, then they re-sign Albert next year for his money and move on. Or find another replacement in free agency.

The ****ery that went on with Fisher's position change is only further complicating matters. It's unnecessary, and the Chiefs made this far more difficult than it needs to be.

Yes, people would have wrecked shit if Fluker had been the pick, but at least it's a firm decision, you're actually GETTING a great player at his natural position, and it's not like the Chiefs already didn't **** the fanbase over with the Alex Smith trade.

Stephenson Allen Hudson Poop**** Fluker

Is a lot more sturdy than

Fisher Allen Hudson Poop**** Stephenson

Do you not see the gap in your statement?

OF COURSE, we recognize it was a short-term solution from the very beginning.

That's the ENTIRE ARGUMENT the past 2 weeks.

Everything about last year was "short term".

Now all of the sudden this year, they're "building for the future" and we're supposed to be happy about it and trust them.

The circular logic here is hilarious.

Hindsight being what it is, if your determined to take fisher, they should have taken what ever they could get for Albert, use his franchise money to pay some other player, put fisher at lt and go from there

If you're going to cast your lot with RunKC, it says a lot about you.

His contract wasn't up. They tagged him and paid him like a top 3 left tackle.

Best player doesn't necessarily mean he's the best player right away.

If 3 years from now he's another Joe Staley out of Central Michigan will we care that much that he wasn't the best player from day 1?

I'm not happy with the pick either but it's not like we took him over an Andrew Luck or Calvin Johnson. Last years draft simply sucked.

Just find a team that did what they Chiefs did and prove it.

Albert is gone now, and we have the 1.1 taking over at LT.

That is the opposite of a lack of forethought?

Does Alex Smith live through it?

We're really not in the best position to let Fisher go through his growing pains during the regular season...

So last year was a throw-away year then?

The bottom line is that there is a fundamental shift in approach, last year to this. There's absolutely no way to explain it away. You're actually proving it right here.

TEAM = IMPROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See quoted post below. And... if the draft sucks, take the guy who has the potential to be the biggest impact player if it works. Don't take the "safe" guy.

EXACTLY!

Can't wait for them to flip back to "Win now" next year.

Good now people can stop the RT at number 1 crap

No, but we were never giving Albert 10+mil a year, and we would have 1 T on the roster right now.

And the FO made it abundantly clear that last year was a special set of circumstances, and that they would not be taking that approach from here out.

I know you love to ignore that fact so that you can keep beating this drum.

So you are saying the Chiefs spent 1.1 on a tackle, wasted a year, and didn't improve the team?

Why the **** arent we all on our knees praising this FO for being ****ing geniuses????

Link?

Who said any of this?
That person is a moron.

I'm looking for it.

I though it was common knowledge.

It will be hard to find.

It was in one of the articles about the Smith trade.

Of course, gotta get butts in the seats.

Now that the homers are on the hook, time to go back to the original plan.

One of them is participating in this very thread.

How was 2013 a waste??

How much experience did Mr 1.1 get at the position he was drafted to play?

If it was a special case, a deviation from the plan, then it was, by definition, not part of the plan.

Basically, yeah.

This.

I think you guys may be trying to make too much out of moves that were made last year, largely to fit an agenda.
Fisher was drafted for the future. But they had Albert and had to deal with that situation for a short period of time, short term, because they were not able to trade him last off season.
Alex Smith was traded for to help in the current and future plans as he was the best QB available to us at the time. Andy believes in him and by the end of playoff game that belief was proven. Smith is in line to get a contract for 5yrs. which is not short term either.

Who?

They TAGGED Albert. They GUARANTEED him an average salary of the top 5 LTs in the game.

You can't just say "they couldn't trade him". They TRIED to keep him.

The same guy that thinks Fisher deserves the benefit of the doubt but Geno is turrible...

Getting the QB they wanted, and winning some games to get the fan base back was part of the plan.

IMO they should have gotten whatever they could for Albert, but they ****ed that up.

This!