He was a free agent in 2012. He could have been had for zero picks. Nobody wanted him. :hmmm:

Jesus dude...

You are going nuts about filling the current holes with draft picks and yet you want to scrap all the experience on the team for one ****ing free safety?

Really?

There's a difference between 5 experienced shitty players and 1 experienced good player.

Of course we could be wrong again.

However, we've already established that we can man up and admit a mistake.

I wanna know if all the balls-deep people on here are going to return the favor if they tank next season or if this is how football discussion on CP is going to be from now on.

Don't those people want them to tank? They are playing both sides

if the Chiefs win and still make the playoffs while in the "rebuild/transition" year then those people win with an easy "I told you so/suck it/eat crow"

if the Chiefs lose and have a horrible season those people can still use their excuses of "comp picks in '15/we're rebuilding/it's okay guys" flip.

They can't lose no matter what the Chiefs do

Just seems kin of pointless to deem said season a failure this soon is all.

And if you're talking about who I imagine you are, no they'll never admit they were wrong because that's admitting the chiefs were wrong

Asking them to do anything other than exactly what they're doing is asking too much.

Excuse me, 2012. They spent a bunch of money on Flynn, then basically got rid of him.

I haven't deemed it a failure. I'm asking if we're going to have to endure another offseason of this garbage if it is. That's exactly what I want to know.

lol would you seriously take Mays, Walker, Devito, Fasano, and Avery over Jarius Byrd?

You need to rewatch our playoff game against Indy 1,000 more times as punishment.

Excuse you aka you were ****ing wrong.

No, I consider this and last season a success based on how our draft picks and scrap guys play.

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what?!

It's gonna be glorious when they draft a guard and you applaud it as a great move...

see that's my point. He can't lose

if they draft a WR Sac looks like a genius because that's what he wants

if they draft an OL, then Sac still looks like a genius because he loves lineman.

I am saying if we have a good draft this year and some of last year's picks start contributing, then we are on a good track.

and if that doesn't happen? Since we haven't really had any draft picks contribute since 2008 that arent named Berry, Poe or Houston.

Then we have the wrong GM. I've long said that I think this 2014 approach is a proven winning approach but only if you draft well.

And that means what?

If pioli and the former don't matter that is

did Pioli draft in 2013? Because I remember the 2013 season having jack shit for draft picks that did anything.

IF, If,if,if,if,if,if,if.....

This Free Agency period has been a disaster for the Chiefs. They've taken a huge step backwards. They didnt have to.

You're asking the Chiefs to nail a day 1, year 1 impact contributor in the draft and they couldnt even do that with the #1 pick last year. But they are going to do that at 23? Without the rookie going through some sort of growing pains/learning curve?

Welcome to the NFL FA is usually fools gold

JFC u bitch a lot

I would rather depend on a winning strategy than lay up on a safe strategy that gives us a three year window on a team that still has long shot odds.

And we haven't taken a big step backwards. A few good picks and scrap moves and we could easily be as good if not better than last year.

Because I am not in a panic to win a Super Bowl this year. Nor do I have unrealistic expectations that two free agents gives us even close to great odds.

So you cheer for the Chiefs to what? Not win the Super Bowl?

it is not bitching you just can't handle someone with a different opinion/cp

Who is?

ROFL

You're such a ****ing pussy.

you are so ****ing ridiculous.

That's the difference between me and most on here. I think the Chiefs window with this current roster is now while most here think the Chiefs window is 2038 or something. And thus I'm seen as a bitcher all because I want to cheer for a team that wins now.

Read mcaj post

Yeah, of course.

Anybody that doesn't 100% agree with what the Chiefs are doing is ridiculous.

No dissenting opinions allowed.

What? I am saying a 10 win season is a huge failure if we we were aggressive in free agency.

I mean how dare I think a team with the 2nd best RB in the league and a 30 year old QB that has actually been to the playoffs/on a Super Bowl team not have a WIN now window with 8 pro bowlers and a bunch of guys making 10+ million on their contracts.

I should just conform and hope the Chiefs use this year as a transition year to rebuild for the year 2022 instead.

How much else do they need?

I don't know, that's my question. Why build through the draft if you are a couple steps away?

You're going to end up looking back on a guy like Jamaal Charles career, the best RB in Chiefs history and say

"Man what a great player, it's a shame the Chiefs pissed away his entire career on a bunch of transition years to rebuild for 8 ****ing years towards the year 2018"

Jarius Byrd would have won that playoff game last year. After that, who knows? It's a whole hell of lot better than what we've seen for the past 20 years.

Why can't you get said pieces thru the draft?

I don't remember you being this high on our roster last year. Strange.

I just admitted that, like two pages back. If you knew how to read you would have already seen that.

This team's job, to me as a fan, was to to sell me on that Alex Smith trade going forward post the Matt Cassel era. Andy Reid's offense and Alex Smith as a QB, and a real NFL starting caliber player, did just that.

They marketed it that to me as a fan, and I want to cheer for it. How dare I not want them to win. I'm a terrible fan. Guess I should just cheer for them being just like Seattle in the year 2075, when we build toward that window instead.

I think had any of the injured guys not gotten injured we probably win that game.

Hell, knife Davis staying upright probably wins that game

It could be argued all they really needed was a FS.

Then they decided to let walk/release two starting offensive linemen, a starting defensive lineman and a slot WR.

They created holes we didn't have in January, and expect to fill them with guys who couldn't beat out the apparently unimportant players we let walk.

So why didn't they get any of those pieces in their first draft then?

That's the thing, how much does a said core need around it? Guess that's the big question

This is the biggie...

I think it's pretty obvious what kind of a supporting cast Alex Smith needs...

ROFL Absolute BS! You'll convince yourself the sky is purple...
You're expecting the Chiefs to hit on every draft pick and no way in hell that's gonna happen. We're also short a # 2 which makes it even harder...

Come on.

Of all the guys that walked, Maybe 1 created a hole at eh that can't be filled internally (apparently they feel it can).

Schwartz couldn't beat out asamoah, but ended up being better.

Maybe guys weren't ready last year, but are now.

It jus seems there's a lot of "sucks we lost this player, creates a hole" when said players were constantly chastised while they were here

Maybe they did? Apparently they feel they did atleast

Alex Smith needs a defense. That's it. He can put on an NFL offense style drive and score points in any ****ing game. He needs a defense to help slow down/stop a shootout and he's fine. I'm not even asking for a shutdown defense anymore, just a defense that isn't going to give up the quick 1 minute touchdown strike. Any defense that can make a ****ing stop and he's fine. He can throw to any slapdick, the dude proved that his entire career.

In harbaughs system, I agree.

In Andy Reid's, I'm not sure he needs that much.

You will have a better draft slot next year.. Don't Worry

:clap:

I wasn't talking about the offense.

See mcaj22's post.

Mr. Spiccoli you're on dangerous ground here...

Just because I make fun of my family doesn't mean YOU can.

Yep, theres waaay too many of those for my liking this year...

why couldn't they just sign one of these safeties and then pack it up for FA. why did they have to sign all these scrub bottom feeders and then put all the eggs in one basket on a special teamer and a 5th round pick with a bum shoulder to play safety in 2014 as it stands right now.

I can hope they use their 1st or 3rd round pick on a safety but that's a longshot.

That guy would've been a HUGE get this year, hell we could've just gotten him and no one else in free agency this year and it would've been a hit IMO.

A receiver would've been great, but this current group went into the 30's 40's and 50's in the last 5 games, so I could've lived with just one real impact guy like Byrd at our most atrocious position.

ed* didn't see that first sentence from mcaj before posting this, couldn't agree more, just ONE big signing at that position would've made a world of difference.

The fact that Lewis and Robinson are gone is an improvement in the D.

But, yeah Byrd would have been nice.

Your retirement home pickups still have u in the basement. ..don't worry

That is not it and you know it. You are so ridiculous. Mr. a 4th round pick is not a middle round pick to you it is late, yet it is the middle round.
If you think I agree 100% with what they have done you are very mistaken.

Has Marcellus botched about this thread yet?

ROFL

Is that really all you have to stand on? That I consider a 4th round pick "late"?

To do what? Win a playoff game? Against a fringe playoff team in the Colts?

You do realize this is a team that even at Alex smith's best lost most of our games in the second half of the year, right? It's amazing to me how many of the typical critics are now acting like the chiefs are awesome to fit the dialogue that we are doing things wrong.

Its a process?

The point is that the "typical critics" are correctly observing that the "dialogue" coming from the Chiefs, based on what they did last off-season and what they're doing this off-season, is all ****ed up; it's illogical because it's contradictory.

Nothing more and nothing less, so let's not get this twisted.

No that is just one example of how your opinion works.

Nothing more, nothing less? Give me a break. I get if people are skeptical of a draft strategy because they don't trust us to draft well. But there are people who actually think we are one or two pieces way from being serious contenders. And it's not homers saying that.

We WERE before we let Albert walk.

The Chiefs have completely undermined the win now strategy they put into motion last offseason.

I mean what the **** was that shit? One last gasp to win a Super Bowl before we blow it up? Dunta Robinson! Sean Smith! Anthony Fasano! Alex Smith! TO THE LOMBARDI!

Albert was the key?

Really?

The drive killer?

**** you.

I've read that better safety play would have allowed us to beat INDY in the playoffs, and that this would have been a lot better than anything else the franchise has done in the past 20 years.

Is any of this wrong?

I'm pretty sure that most of this group has repeatedly said we should never settle for anything less than a Super Bowl. And I completely agree. And yes, it sure seems like the tone of the thread was that a free safety is all we would need this year, not just last year.

Our or two more players wouldn't keep us from being big time underdogs against Denver or new England.

Well, we don't need only a FS, that much is clear.

OTWP said it best when he noted that we let a lot of marginal players walk. Cool. The problem is that the Chiefs, seemingly, are expecting players who could not unseat said marginal talent last year to carry the water in 2014.

That's unsettling, assuming that logic is allowed in the room.

On the offensive side, with respect to free agency, you better damn well believe that I think the entire complexion of the offense changes if the organization signs D. Jackson.

Huge, huge, huge ****ing mistake not to have made that a reality. People who say otherwise are wrong. Simple as that.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I'm going to wait until after the draft to raise the alarm. Sure, they let some marginal starters go and we only have their understudies to replace them. I'd like to see what the roster looks like on the first day of camp.

You aren't going to get better at every single position every offseason. Sometimes you take a step back and there isn't an obvious free agent replacement or you aren't able to get the one you want. You go young or invite another player to prove himself.

I think that Reid and Dorsey realize that while last year was nice, the record was better than it really should have been and this team isn't remodeled yet. They aren't trying to add the last pieces to a super bowl team just yet. They are going to spend another offseason trying to deepen the roster and develop. I think they are correct in their judgement that this team isn't a player or two away so they are probably making sober choices and this year will be another development year.

There's going to be a lot of teeth-gnashing and wailing "fire everybody" on ChiefsPlanet when they don't win more games than they did last year, I bet. But the W column this year is probably a better barometer of where we are at than the W column last year was.

We competed with Denver at Arrowhead.

There's no reason to think one or two more impact players wouldn't have made a difference against them, especially with Manning getting a year older.

Sincerely,

True Fans