flowers should take 3-4 mill and play for a superbowl contender

WTF?

I dont even...

No.

I know the majority of you guys don't like Alex Smith for some STUPID reason but reality is he is better than any qb on this roster and a pretty damn solid qb compared to others around the league. Better than Kap, better than Eli, better than most of the new meat that have taken over starting jobs in the NFL. So quit your bitchin and moaning about a guy that uh took you to a playoff game last year and was winning the playoff game last year until our broke dick defense with Flowers lost it. Sign Alex SMITH sign Houston and STFU!

Im kind of surprised the DWayne bow didn't go first.

That was where I was at with/or without Flowers.

We couldn't afford to keep him.

Cooper, as a 7th round pick who was cut, performed better than nearly every rookie CB in 2013.

Milliner was horse piss the vast majority of the season. He would have been benched permanently for the season if it weren't for his draft status.

Hayden was terrible.

Trufant was ok.

Ryan was also pretty good in his limited role in NE where he spent time at S and replacing any injured CBs (Talib or Dennard). He was very productive in that role (15 Pdefs. 5 INTs).

There is no other rookie CB that even comes close.

Why didnt they try to trade him then?

Flowers proved year after year that his stature would not allow him to play man against the NFLs better receivers. It was time, especially considering the money.


Favorite CP avatar in the post above mine. Love how the jean threads resemble.....nvrmnd

It was Matthieu, by a country mile.

The it will be a field day for us going against Flowers. Diminutive and not especially athletic at this point in his career.

Except Matthieu is a FS and played exclusively in the slot when he did drop down to the corner role. Try again.

You're a noobie turd. Now shut the **** up while the grown ups are discussing this.

they save more $ by cutting

JFC Bob shut the **** up.

No need to try again. Matthieu was, by far, the best rookie CB in the NFL last season.

KC's defensive problems lay not with an undersized corner playing in a system that isn't suited to his skill and stature, but with terrible safeties and a non-existent pass rush.

Matthieu is a safety.

I'm just going to have blind faith that this is a fantastic move by the organization.

Worked out great for the Pioli years!

Wow, Dave needs to go jerk off in a sock or something...

Ease up dude!

Except he was a FS.:thumb:

Why do people insist Flowers isn't a good fit for Sutton's scheme?

Flowers was the only CB on the Chiefs who could play outside, in the slot or shadow an opposing WR. His departure leaves a big hole in the secondary.

Matthieu played both safety and corner. While I'm not a PFF guy, to say the least, if you are, you might wish to note that PFF had Matthieu rated at their #2 CB as of 12/19 last season.

He was so good at shadowing Dez Bryant . . . oh wait.

Except he played both safety and corner. JFC, watch the games. Listen to his coach. Do some ****ing thing.

Only true if you had low expectations for the season.

WTF is going to trade for an injury-plagued, slot CB who has almost $15 mil coming in the next 2 years?

He killed Welker, and he matched up well on Hilton until he got hurt.

Its more business than a game anymore. What do you do? Hate to see him go, but it was kind of inevitable with his contract. Hope Cooper and Gaines are ready to strap it up. No telling what exactly happens with Sean Smith.

Guess we could always see what Stanford Routt is up to right now? j/k

Pass rush. Pass rush. Pass rush. Unless you've got absolutely ELITE corners, I'll take my chances with a consistent pass rush from the front six or seven and competent tackling.

Especially with how ****ing much a joke the rules are these days. "Oh, #28, you went stride for stride with a WR and you both kind of slapped each other along the way? PASS INTERFERENCE, on the defense!"

Get after the QB, and be able to tackle as soon as the opposing receiver makes the catch to prevent YAC.

Cooper played so well they benched him.

If they are moving to bump coverage then Flowers don't fit.

Don't worry guys, our pass rush is going to be so ****ing fierce that whoever is back there will only need to cover for about 1.5 seconds.

16-0.

Rookie.

"Durr Eric Berry got burned, he ****in' sucks." /Chiefs fans circa 2010.

In the playoff game the minute Flowers when out injured the Indy comeback began.

That's the only reason I am pissed. Pioli wasted a boatload of talent.

As I mentioned earlier, he played safety and dropped to cover the slot as their 3rd "corner". Much different responsibility from having to cover the perimeter like Cooper did.

Dude, no one is saying Flowers isn't good. But given our situation you can't justify $15 mil over 2 years to a slot CB when you have your up-n-coming, pass rushing, stud and your QB up for new contracts.

Not sure you remember but they were picking on him unmercifully.

The site's who's collective cocks you suck had him at a -9.8 in coverage.

We would have been fine if Sutton wasn't dumb enough to play Robinson as our 3rd corner after Flowers went down. Unfortunately, he was dumb enough to do that.

ROFL

Dave just walked into the bar with a baseball bat and started cracking skulls.

I've seen 10 people saying he sucked.

I'm out of bubble gum damn it!!!

And the 3rd best corner on the team.

Well, I think he dropped off due to age and injury but nonetheless, he was just the odd man out. If he could still play the outside like he used too and didn't have 2 years of nagging injuries then perhaps you work something out.

Then again they may have tried to re-structure and his agent said **** off?

Will miss him.

Could play outside and inside and playing well outside or inside are 2 far different things.

Flowers got handed by big receivers outside, and was constantly trailing in the slot in a press man scheme.

People insist he's not a good fit because a year of game tapes last year show that he wasn't. He's not worth that price tag to the current Chiefs.

I am pretty optimistic, actually.


Losing Flowers isn't going to change our trajectory. He was good, but we need to be realistic. He won't even count for .1 points on a point spread any given sunday.

Yeah thats it. The awesome depth we have there and he played Robinson. Passed up all those other shut down CBs like....

Ummmm...

All Carl cares about is keeping the stadium full. That's why he is keeping vets around to go 8-8. God forbid he would cut an underperforming player in order to resign a younger promising younger player (Houston) that would give us a better chance of winning in the long run. But no, got to keep the fans happy. DAMMIT CARL :cuss:

Idk, the Browns?

:shrug:

How did he do against the Eagles, Broncos and Colts?

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Denver corner.

This season is going to be ugly.

**** Chris Harris.

LMAO

CP needs a twitter account just for these moments.

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Yep...

Aww hell no. And give up the wonderful secrets if antifreeze?

Putting "corner" in quotes doesn't make him not a corner. Matthieu was the best rookie CB in the NFL last year, by a wide margin. Pimping Cooper over him is ridiculous.

The Broncos can sign every player from here to Jesus, but we ALL know what happens when both Manning and Brady bow out.

(aside from sportscasters weeping uncontrollably)

Make that 11. Not a Flowers fan-glad he is gone.

Loving the reaction on here-like we lost a HOFer or something- :rolleyes:

After the Cowboys game, I don't think that Reid and Sutton tried making Flowers shadow the opposing #1 again. It was that much of a disaster and clearly proved to them that Flowers couldn't perform the job of a true #1 corner.

Jackson had 3 catches for 62 yards. I don't consider him a #1 WR, much more of a gadget and flash player than he is a consistent #1 type receiver. Flowers gave up a big 40 yarder to him from what I remember. Most of the time Vick had almost no time to throw because Houston was abusing Lane Johnson so badly. Here is the play: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-40-yard-catch

Broncos, Welker made Flowers look absolutely lost when trying to cover the slot. It was sad because our entire secondary looked so bad that virtually every receiver was open within 1 or 2 seconds after the snap of the ball. I remember specifically a play when Welker faked a crossing route and Flowers tried to guess and was beaten by a mile to the inside instead. It was absolutely pathetic CB play.

Against the Colts, I wasn't able to watch the first game but in the playoffs Flowers did well against Hilton for the most part. He was certainly better than Robinson. Hilton is not a #1 WR, he's another gadget-type WR who is primarily a deep threat.

maybe you can root for the team dumb enough to sign Flowers instead. :rolleyes:

6 years ago, 6, years

put together a quick list for us how many players are left on rosters from the draft 6 years ago, i'm curious

the teams that consistently compete do not overpay the next tier players who want too much $, they let em go and have young guys to step up. that's what they are trying to build here, not gonna happen from LY offseason, building from the worst team from 2012.

Albert is NOT a top LT but insisted to be paid as such
Dorsey never lived up to his draft spot and didn't fit the scheme at all
Carr wanted to get paid, and he did, WAY overpaid
Flowers played very well for us, but the cap # was too much for what we need to do

6 years is a long time ago in draft years

I've been 'eh' about Flowers for quite awhile. He is often injured, has terrible size, stopped being aggressive in the running game two years ago and never regained his speed after the foot injury he suffered.
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:rolleyes: I've been on this site since 2007. I just don't post much aside from draft planet and football topics bc I'm not interested in arguing with fans that don't have a ****ing clue.

This is going to keep all of us drinking on game day...

Matthieu was as much of a corner as Kenny Vaccaro was a corner last year.

So you're saying you could take Matthieu and stick him in Cooper's role as an outside corner and expect him to be a better player than Cooper is? Good luck with that.

4.55 speed, never had much to begin with. 30" vert also. What he really had going for him was his competitiveness and short area quickness.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see Sean Smith cut next. What a bonehead. With the lack of depth he will probably be safe though until next year unless Chiefs bring someone in before camp.

Bye

They will not cut Smith. He was the best and most consistent corner on the team last year. He's also nowhere near as expensive as Flowers was.

Yuck. I'm not okay with this. I think Flowers was a target to be cut next year, but we got a lot weaker at CB and I don't feel that confident in Parker or Gaines or Owens to backfill nearly as well. I don't at all understand why we didn't get trade value out of him.

But oh well… I don't think we were going to compete this year anyway, and Flowers was a target for a massive pay cut soon anyway, so it's not the end of the world. Him being a nickel corner given fit with Sutton's scheme, he was definitely overpaid.

Plus, even if we didn't get trade comp… Albert and Flowers are both probably going to get us a 3rd round comp pick. So we did essentially get draft picks out of them.

****ing travesty. Hope his wife's pussy rusts shut

His contract was ridiculously stupid

@chrisharrisjr-Flowers cut that's crazy chiefs must got some corners we don't know about lol

@chrisharrisjr-I'm still tryna figure out how flowers made pro bowl too lol

God I hate everything about the broncos

@dthomashof: @ChrisHarrisJr 43-8 bitch!! Never forget Peyton's choke! Keep playing with that shit bag defense. You overrated pansies.

My tweet to Chris Harris

this

it's not that complicated really

Yeah, you really showed him about losing in that Superbowl and stuff.