I love that Smith causes you this much pain. It is truly deserved. :thumb:

I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm saying he's a b/u. You aren't going to be a top 20 player in this league at b/u HB unless something very bad happens.

Show me a single scouting report that says Ford was solid in run support.

You're not going to find one. He consistently got washed out. He's the kind of guy you run right at...

Agreed. The Geno nut huggers really deserve this. The day he gets a five year deal will be the best. I believe it just might break them for good.

Not quickly. He'll drop back, scan the field, pump fake and then decide he has to run when he should be stepping up and getting rid of it. Then he "extends the play" by running all the way out to the right sideline and either running out of bounds for a loss, running for 1/2 yard or dumping it out of bounds. 1 time out of 10 he might complete a pass.

It's a really annoying thing and he does it every game.

Because he's scared to make a mistake.

- his pocket presence has much improved since the days you are referencing.

- Too often, were the SF/KC receivers too stupid to move their feet and find open space to make themselves a viable target... so he throws it away. He is calculating and weighs consequences vs reward.. sometimes opting to simply punt and try again another drive.

In other words, he is not your girlfriend Tony Romo.. who is definitely brave with all of his throws.. and enjoys throwing games away by being a dumbass.

Oh, and GFY. :thumb:

seven chipmunks, TWIRLIN' on a branch, eatin' lots'a sunflowers on my uncle's ranch.

Alex Smith 1st quarter stats 6-17 37 yards 0 TDs

Alex Smith 2nd quarter stats with Carolina's backup D.... 12-13 109 yards 2 TDs



PAY THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His scramble % was right at NFL avg.
Guys who don't step up and throw it are Kaepernick or Geno for example. They were closer to 2x the NFL avg.

This. Even IF they plan on keeping Daniels, it's better to find out what they have in Bray/Murray so that they can choose between the two for the third spot. No way in hell are they keeping all four (I'd rather they cut Daniels regardless but either way it's more beneficial to have Bray/Murray play more than Daniels).

Why? Why? This is the same tell who immediately following the playoff loss was defending alex Smith to the death. Now he is back to his flip floppy self.

Because the first half of the second pre-season game is a better indication than the entire season last year?

This. Smith is more likely to fall on the sword than point his finger at someone else. When he says there was a miscommunication, it means the receiver totally ****ed up.

This is a great illustration of Alex's willingness to throw deep only to receivers with complete separation and no possible chance of an interception. Again, he can throw deep, he just hasn't often done so, because he is committed to not risking interceptions. It is just the way he has become. If he could find a way to take the appropriate risk at the appropriate time on those deep passes, he could be a top QB. But I can't see that happening. He is what he is at this point.

But I saw Alex make numerous throws to Vernon Davis just like this. Well over the DB trailing Vernon. As long as Alex's wide receiver has complete separation from the DB, he will make the throw. Put a DB anywhere in proximity of the WR, and he won't take the risk.

Dorsey should have taken a chance on Bridgewater.

That's how it always is in Chiefs Nation. The starters get pummeled until they face the second string and then begin putting up points.

It will happen as you predicted on Sunday.

Dorsey is a ****ing moron who pays Chase Daniel, Fasano and Colquitt a combined 8 million dollars in base salary.

He also could have drafted any player in the ****ing draft and he picks Eric Fisher, the Ryan Leaf of tackles.

**** him

You supporters of this regime can say what you want, but last season looks a lot like 2010 where we would beat shitty teams and lose to strong ones.

What happened in the following year? A complete disaster which resulted in our head coach getting canned and a losing season.

History will repeat itself.

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I could only make it 40 posts into this thread.

Jesus, some dumb/uninformed takes here.

This. Also, when there is no one open, the smart play is usually to throw it away. Just because you don't like it, and it makes you want to put your strap-on on, doesn't make him a pansy, it makes him smart.

Oh my goodness.. And people say our WRs don't get open.

Both Avery and Jenkins are open for big gains and Jamaal comes open at the end of the play on the swing.

TEN jumped up expecting to cut off the underneath stuff. That never came and it was semi-mass-protect. Jamaal was decoy, Smith rolls opposite way. 2 fastest WR running and single safety. That Safety did a good job of keeping his depth good and waiting to go after the right guy cause Jenkins had steps on his man.

And McGrath is the throw away option on the play if TEN dropped back 2 safeties on the play and deep pass was covered.

Really not sure if you (and others) are just stupid, or are deliberately dense about this. It has been mentioned many times. Smith plays within the team circumstances.. (1)game situations, (2)personnel ability of his offense, and (3)how the defense is fairing.

for (1)if we are talking KC up 7-0 against opponent... long 70 yds to reach the endzone.. in the late 1st Q, he will likely not force a deep one into tight coverage on 3rd and 11. (2)If his targeted deep WR is not known for his deep ball ability? then the chances of him being inclined to make that throw drop. If it is later in the game... up 24 to 21, and (3)he sees that his defense has allowed 3 straight TDs lately... he probably will take the shot. If the D has been stingy lately, then no.

The dude is calculated with the risk/reward. It can drive the ignorant fans wild... but what they don't have the brain to take note of at times.. is not what he does do.. it's what he doesn't do. Everyone bitches about him playing it safe.. yet it is especially when taking risk doesn't really matter much at the time.. but they will be far more frustrated if he did take unnecessary risks and pissed the game away on pick 6's and handing the game away.

Basically, the QB.. THIS quarterback.. cannot win with some fans. Damned if he does... damned if he doesn't. We see that with the criticisms of the recent playoff game.

People like Clay hate his style because they want him to completely bomb... and I don't mean just passes. They want him to fail... and the best way to do that on this team is to chuck shit up wildly and carelessly. Maybe if he throws enough picks each game, he will be replaced and discarded... and that's really all they want.

They want that over their team's success??? Answer = an emphatic YES.

Why? How could this be? Answer = because they are insisting on a YOUNG, 1st rd quarterback to develop as their QBoTF... and they will accept a couple of horrific seasons to make that happen.

This is all bullshit.

Jenkins and Avery are both open by NFL standards.

My biggest problem with Alex Smith is he does not maximize the potential of every play. There have been countless times every single game of his career that he has a WR open for what could be a big play, but Alex chooses to go to a safer play.

When a wide receiver is a step or two past his defender, Alex does not see this as the WR being open enough, and will go to a more open WR.....even if the latter WR will result in a minimal gain. Alex sees a WR that is one or two steps past his defender as a risky throw....where in actuality, said WR is wide open by NFL standards.

The Alex fans will say that "he plays within the circumstances of the game," but I would argue that aside from having a big lead late int the 4th Quarter, there is no circumstance of a game that would call for a QB to NOT throw to an open WR who is streaking down the field. While Alex is praised for finding an open dump off that will net 3 yards, I criticize him for missing the open WR who would net 25+ yards on the same play.

It has nothing to do with simply hoping he will bomb it every play. That is NOT what I or others are trying to say. You Alex fans say that one of his best traits is accuracy right? Well then if a WR is two steps past his defender, an accurate QB should have ZERO problem hitting him and shouldnt deem it as a "risky attempt."

Short and sweet that's the basis for all the hate.

He CAN make all the throws. He CAN scramble. He CAN step up in the pocket.

It's frustrating.

Reid is pretty much Vince Vaughn making him break out the bear claws...

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Touchdowns every play! :cuss:

Come on man. You cant be serious with this. You know that's not at all what I was saying. SMH.

You have to remember the progression though. You may look at tape and say, "see, Avery gets a step right here and is open and Smith chooses the dump off instead". The question is not did Avery get open, the question is did Avery get open before Smith looked his way in the progression. If not, it doesn't matter if he opens up late, Smith will find the first open guy in the rotation and unload. It's easy to watch film and point out open receivers - not so easy to know where that receiver falls in the progression.

The way I read this, it would seem at times that you assume that Alex sees every target option simultaneously (much like one can if they are playing a video game like Madden). You can appreciate that a QB's field of vision is not as such, right? When we the fans review a play and see a target or two pretty open as we pause the action... that can cloud the mind as to assume the QB does too.. but we must know he doesn't. He has to go through his progressions.. and often times when QBs do, they are not looking at a specific target as that "window opens".

There probably are times when Alex could take more chances than he does. I really can get the desire from fans for that. We'll see how it goes this season.. but for a 1st yr scheme like last year? with lots of doubts from all players involved? I think maybe we should ease back on predicting yr 2.. and understand that safe and conservative was wise in yr 1.

Whether it was Alex Smith, the O-line, play-calling, WRs running the right routes, etc., the Chiefs offense after the bye was good. In my opinion, the O-line started to play much better, probably partly because of a change in scheme. I have hopes that the O will be really good this year.

A fine point.

Not serious at all!:D

With some of the haters around here though, you just never know.

Wasting. Your. Breath.

I dont play Madden (or FF for that matter), so the Madden or fantasy football excuse doesnt fly with me like you and other Alex fans like to use as a crutch.

Yes, I am well aware that a QB has to go through progressions. I played football. I also find the whole "he goes through progressions and he may have moved on from the WR before he popped open" as an excuse as well. When you have WR's running longer routes, they are almost never the first read. More often than not, the progression goes middle route, long route, check down/short route (unless its a quick hitch or slant or something like that).

So for Alex to have "moved to another progression before the long route becomes open" is really nonsense. There are many examples every game where Alex is looking at an open receiver, and chooses the MORE open receiver for a minimal gain because it is a virtually risk free pass. My problem is, if Alex is as accurate as some claim, the pass attempt that he decided to pass up should NOT be deemed risky. Its not about "taking chances" as "Sandy Cheeks" says. Alex's overly cautious playing has trained you to think that.

The irony of this. The last game, actual game, he was everything that people are saying that he isn't. Carry on.

You can keep hanging on the last game all you want, but the fact of the matter is, the last game was not indicative of Alex's career. It is one example. It happens every blue moon.

The play that was posted as a gif in recent pages is actually one of the most impressive plays I have ever seen out of Alex. He avoids pressure by stepping up in the pocked....all while keeping his eyes downfield....and throws a perfect strike to a wide open Avery. Great play.

Unfortunately, this doesnt happen very often. Id say that you could count the number of times in his career he did this on one hand....but it would be more accurate to say that you could count them on a peace sign.

Lol. What ever you say champ. No one here had watched more alex Smith than I have. I admit readily that he had not been aggressive enough. I also didn't say that alex Smith would be more aggressive. I simply commented that his last actual game, he was very aggressive.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Alex's last 3 years isn't indicative of Alex's career...but you can make a strong argument that it's been an upward trend. 3 years is enough time to argue that his previous years don't matter anymore. Alex's last 6 games are also an upward trend.

So yeah you're right, the last game on its own means little...but there is trend behind it..and that has substance. We need to see more.

That's fine. Now we know you to be closed off to anything regarding Smith. Got it. :thumb:

He played football.......

.. but does he even lift, bro?

Black or white!

Pick!

NOW!

BLACK OR ****ING WHITE PICK NOW!

Black bro. White gets dirty too fast.

You know it does...:D

I dunno, but some how him playing football means that his opinion is absolute.

He wins.

Wrong. I am not "closed off to anything regarding Smith." I simply choose not to acknowledge some of the excuses made for Alex as facts. You talk about going through progressions. There isnt a coach in the world, let alone offensive minded coaches like Harbaugh or Reid, that would make a longer, stretch play the first read of a progression. So to hang on the "Alex probably moved onto another progression before he broke open" excuse makes no sense. Zero.

I am trying to discuss football while you guys are making childish insults.

well then, you got it all figured out too! Awesome!

Replace Andy with dls6501 as HC immediately!!!!

He makes a good point. He probably played kicker.

His insight to the philosophical beliefs of Andy Reid and harbaugh is stunning. I am deeply moved. He should write a book!

Childish insults. You came here talking down to everyone. Lol.

Are you new here?

This is ChiefsPlanet, bro! We tried what you are supposedly trying, and quickly learned that childish insults are the way to go here. Get with the program!

RABBBLE!!!

When did I say they weren't open? There was still coverage in the area. It wasn't the AJ Green runs by both guys like in the preseason game.

Smith was prepping to throw throw to Jenkins as that was his guess for who was gonna be the best option. An NFL nobody vs. a guy who is a run fast straight career WR who is gonna get the help coverage. See how he sets with his body looking that way. Griffin flashed in the area by Smith. He looks to Avery, clutches and then gets the pass to him.
Yes if he reacts with 0 delay the almost 50 yard pass can be a running catch for a TD. But the NFL is not a video game.
It takes practice and 100% speed in-game reps to get this stuff down. Even then these kind of play are rarely attempted and even more rarely completed.

It's a process.

I don't believe I said anything about Madden or Fantasy Football. Chicks dig the long ball, I get it. I just don't think any of us can know for certain if any given receiver was open at the point Smith got to him in his progression. It's been said many many times by multiple coaches in different organizations that Smith is the smartest QB you're going to find. You are free to bitch about the lack of risks he takes with the football if you want, but I'm in the crowd that trusts him to make the best decision for the football team. That's all. to each his own.

I might be stating the obvious here... but if the long route is later in his progression, then isn't it possible that he is unloading to an open receiver before he gets to the longer route? West coast offense is built upon short, quick passing and moving the chains.

Furthermore... I didn't play QB but I did play TE. Our QB's read progression was different for every play and didn't have much to do with short route to long. It had to do with that particular play and which receive they believed would break free based on what they believed the defense was going to be doing. That progression changed from game to game... sometimes it changed within the game. There isn't ONE way to set up a progression. You can guess from home based on what you see the QB's head doing, but often times the QB's head is facing one way, while his eyes are scanning somewhere else. You can't know for sure sitting on your couch.

Can we just rename this place Alexplanet and get it over with?

Game situation, player being thrown too, etc. Are the chiefs winning? are they losing? what down is it? what quarter is it?
How good is the Oline holding up? Where are the mismatches? What was the game plan?
So take the top 5 to 10 teams.. is EVERY QB doing what you are stating every single play? Does every single ply with the same style? how successful have they been?

Um... I guess.

You know what's funny? Over on my boards what was called the redzone was called "Alex Zone" in jest at one point.. this dude is one of the most controversial QB even though hes a stand up guy ha.

Alex isn't at all controversial, though his crazed worshipers make it an issue.

good one...

KC fans know what controversial looks like, Cassel and Pioli almost tore this fanbase a part which was the catalyst of Save Our Chiefs now that is controversial. Posters disagree if Alex "the man" or not. He is no means controversial unless you want it to make it out that way.

I do not. Some people like him and defend his play against those who do not and criticize his play. Too often these groups get labeled as worshipers vs. haters. I don't know why it has to degrade down to something other than just football fans talking about a football player.

I'd say his crazed worshippers only number a handful, the rest of us simply recognize that he's the best QB we've had since Green and that he simply isn't as terrible as many want to make him out to be.

Would I rather have Rodgers, of course, but that aint happenin... still doesn't mean Smith sucks.

You're only going to confuse him with your logic.

*Pacino says*... I try to get out, but they keep pulling me back in.

It boils down to excuses that are made about his play, for example I like Tyler Bray. Some don't believe he won't amount to a hill of shit and they rip on him which is perfectly fine, and I understand that he'll have to prove it with his play to prove my point is correct or incorrect. You can't believe that your favorite player is infallible, or make excuses for every little thing is said. You'll get that label or will be perceived that way by others.

Like everyone who wears the red and gold jersey with the KC Arrowhead can not be questioned if they are a benefit to the team or not.

Most people here, and on most other message boards, root for TEAMS rather than individual players...

The people that say he's "terrible" also measure only a handful, probably even less.

However, it's not just the people that say he's terrible. If you criticize him AT ALL, you get chastised for it.

The problem is, those of you who dislike him think we see an elite QB. It's simply not true. He's pretty good, but not great.

For me, it's refreshing to see a good QB instead of the shitshow we saw with Cassel.

AND there are still slobbering tools who think Smith is Cassel.

I root for the niners...

I also rooted for Smith when he left the niners, because, well, I like Smith...

I've now become interested in the Chiefs as a whole... and root for them as well.

I do not deserve to live.

Overdramatic much?

I'd probably have to disagree with that, most of us know there are holes in his game... I never see anyone jump your ass because you lean to the pragmatic, even handed side.

But I personally believe Reid is working hard to fix those things and that we started to see the results of his coaching as the year wore on.

That's not true either. There is a lot of double-talking bull**** going on.. and when called on it, the bull****ers are crying "who me? oh no, not me!". To even bother to mention his few mistakes in the playoff game may appear to be innocent in nature... but it's not.. and everyone knows it.. who it's coming from.. and why.

So to play this particular victim card is disingenuous... and you know better.. but still are trying to play as if you are truly holier than thou and CP's greatest champion for peace and impartiality.

... and for that, I say

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You how the "QB whisperer" moniker got started correct?

after the Seattle game people were clamoring that Cassel is the franchise QB, and I said he didn't have mental aspect to succeed in the long run. Then when he started to self destruct, and then I pointed that out again. Then some self aborbed individuals that were emotionally invested in Matt started to have this bullshit and petty vendetta about a football opinion.

Then you're not paying attention.

... THIS has always been my stance, and I am one if his biggest fans.

As had been stated many times, no one has made alex Smith infallible. I have criticised him many times. Sorter had me as his Sig for a long time last season because I was disgusted with his play during the titans game.

No one has said alex Smith is the awesome.