Who is better than Alex Smith?
 

That's what makes Alex Smith so tough to classify, in my opinion. He's just so overly conservative. In a league where such a large percentage of games are won and lost by 7 points or less, you really can win a lot of games simply by not screwing up.

Of course, he also isn't the guy that can dig you out of a hole ala Tony Romo or Jay Cutler when the defense isn't playing well or you have to deal with some unlucky bounces.

So, the people who a clear majority (2/3 of us) agree are better than Alex Smith:

Aaron Rodgers
Andrew Luck
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Russell Wilson
Tom Brady

You could quibble with Roethlisberger or Wilson perhaps, but I think that's pretty fair.

He's several orders of magnitude better than Alex. I can't believe ANYONE thinks it's even a question.

Hey Clay..what do you see as Alex Smiths fatal flaw?

His arm is pretty good.
He was pushing the ball down the field the second half of the year (as Andy directed him to)
He is very mobile
He is good under pressure
He protects the ball well
He is smart
He is a good leader

I guess I don't understand why you hate the guy so much

Answer: Alex isn't a fantasy football chucker with swag.

How are Rivers and Newton not on that list?

Because he doesn't think they are better. Plus the way he structured his list it makes it seem like AS is a top ten Qb.

Also, I'd argue Eli for two fairly significant reasons.

Im not sure Id take Cam over Alex.

Rivers is close.

To expand on that earlier post:

Clear majority of Chiefsplanet (2/3 of us) feel these QBs are better than Alex Smith:
Aaron Rodgers
Andrew Luck
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Russell Wilson
Tom Brady


(Middle third % agree) Smith is roughly comparable to:
Colin Kaepernick
Matt Ryan
Cam Newton
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Matt Ryan
Matt Stafford
Tony Romo


(bottom third) Smith is clearly better than:
Andy Dalton
Brian Hoyer
Carson Palmer
Chad Henne
Derek Carr
EJ Manuel
Geno Smith
Jay Cutler
Matt Cassel
Mike Glennon
Nick Foles
Robert Griffin
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jake Locker
Ryan Tannehill
Shaun Hill


So based on this, Chiefsplanet feels that Alex is somewhere between #7 and #15 in the league. If you cut the percentages straight across at 50%, Chiefsplanet ranks Alex Smith as #8.

Which is right along the line of where he's being paid I'd guess.

Shut your whore mouth.

Alex over Newton?
haha wow

Philip Rivers has almost twice as many passing yards and over twice as many TDs than Smith while only starting in the league two more years. His career qb rating is a 96 while Smith's is an 81.

In what realm are those two "close"?

Those reasons being ancient and history?

I'd take Eli's history over Alex Smith. Not so sure I'd take the 2013 version of Eli.

Yeah, I wouldn't energetically argue with these conclusions being fair. Now, I wonder what the QB rankings would look like, if factoring in Reid's scheme and the team personnel. Add in the QB experience factor for a team that's clearly young and inexperienced.

Newton is a lazy guy that cant learn a whole playbook. He will never win anything significant IMO.

Rivers is what?33? He has also had a couple issues with his throwing shoulder...Like I said, it would be close.

Uhh **** yea.

I can't wait to bump this in 2 months.

pretty much

The nice thing about a poll like this that it identifies the truly irrational posters. Anyone who picked Matt Cassel or Chad Henne or Brian Hoyer or Shaun Hill or "All of them" is either trolling or suffering from Alex Smith Derangement Syndrome.

And nice job by the poster who picked both "none of them" and "all of them".

Problems with throwing shoulder?

Why because he chunks the football like a hunchback? He has always done that.

Did it to the tune of nearly 5k yards and 32/11 last year, with his highest profile receiver being a rookie. Yea, terrible QB.

Why, because our shitty Oline and shitty Wrs are going to make the entire offense look like trash?

Ryan,Eli and Flacco wouldn't look any better

We don't know how Wilson would do

Hell ... Brady looks pretty dam shaky when his offense was struggling.

No, because our qb will look like shit.

He can't succeed without an elite team around him. This has already been proven.

A Raiders fan gets it but Clay doesn't.

Smith's contract makes him the 10th highest paid QB.

Seems like they found a middle ground that was reasonable to both sides.

Can we please stop overrating Jay Cutler. I'm no Alex Smith apologist, but the fact that he's not a prick who's own teammates don't even like puts him ahead of Cutler.

Cutler turns the ball over too much and lacks the leadership qualities needed to be in the elite tier. He also has not thrown for the 4,000 yards that Chiefsplanet considers the hallmark of a decent QB since he was in Denver 5-6 years ago.

That's a good point. Perhaps we should normalize the results by subtracting 5 from each QB to eliminate trolls who picked everyone (such as Cassel).

Cam Newton has 92 TDs in three years
92

Smith has 109 in 8 years starting

How can anyone possibly argue Smith is better?
What does that say about Cam if he can score that many TD's while apparently being reeruned?

Apparently Aaron Rodgers is CPs favorite QB. Or maybe more people voted for him because his name starts with Aa

The thing that separates Cutler from Smith is the ability to make real NFL throws. None of this dink and dunk bullshit with him.

Two 300-yard games last year alone. What does Alex have for his career, three?

he didn't have an elite team around him last year

Try to follow along

He also has Brandon Marshall to bail him out. Cutler is a whiney bitch with no leadership ability.

That really worked out for him and the team didn't it.

He and Stafford can really rack up the yards. I am sure their FF trophies are right next to their Lombardy trophies.

In 16 games last year, Alex Smith had 4179 yards 28tds and only 7 ints.

That's pretty good for a game manager in his first year in a new system

Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery are both better than anything we have.

Not even close

The bear 3rd string tightend(Zach Miller) would start for us.

Denver dumped Cutler because was such a bitch.

I realize this is really hard for your peanut brain to understand but Dink and Dunk is part of Andy's offense

How may QBs that run the WCO throw for huge yardage? WCO is not an offense that is made for or intended to be throwing the ball down field very much.

Already debunked. Rodgers, Luck, Geno, Cutler, etc. All run the WCO. All throw downfield more than Alex.

A huge part of the WCO is setting up the deep ball CONSTANTLY. That's why Andy targets receivers with speed to burn.

I think you need to check your math and or stats. Including the playoff game he is just under 3700 passing yards.

Rushing yards don't count.

28/7 is solid. If he does that this year than we should win at least 9 games. However yards are still crucial. More yards means (hopefully) more drives into the redzone and more setups to score by the run or some other means. Yards still mean a lot and are not a negative stat whatsoever despite what some people trumpet here.

Why don't rushing yards count when that's a huge part of how the position is played in today's nfl?

It's a pussy move IMO to discredit any way he moves the ball.

It's so hard to judge "better". People criticizing Cutler say he makes boneheaded downfield throws. In the system Alex has been asked to play in the last 3 years, you just don't have that many downfield attempts. He isn't asked to force the ball. Cutler's #'s, and just about every other QB that plays in a more aggressive system would look better if they were on a leash.

I really can't believe there are 9 people who think Smith is better than Luck.

maybe because Luck/Wilson/Kaepernick have such a small sample size

LMAO

But it IS the Chiefs fault for TURNING people into morons.

Sure, if you want to ignore the ring Wilson has and the big mushroom shaped welt that Luck left on the forehead of every Chief player and fan when he smacked them with his comeback schlong and sent them back below Cleveland in the sadness department.

:shrug:

Dilfer has a big ring

a dozen 3rd string scrubs have left welts on our _efense, we are known for it


the point is just that maybe some people hesitated to crown players before a significant sample size

Wilson is a good QB, but it's not like he carried that team to a championship. He was the very definition of game manager. Half of the Seahawks points came directly from the defense and special teams, and the rest was set up by Denver turnovers.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Pawnmower voted for Cassel....

The "fantasy football" excuse is so tired and played-out, it's not even funny. People want to see their QB throw it downfield not for fantasy points but because doing so keeps defenses honest and can lead to either big plays or PI calls that keep the chains moving. You know, things that actually win football games.

In two years Wilson has 8 regular season fourth quarter comebacks and 10 game winning drives. Plus another 2 postseason 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives.

In, what is it 8 or 9 years of Alex Smith?, he has 11 4th quarter comebacks and 13 game winning drives.

Wilson is "managing" a lot better than Smith.

Some of you guys were just lazy and clicked 'select all'.

You can't be serious with Hoyer and Fitzpatrick.

8 picks for Cassel?
That's it. I am flying a banner.

Funny you should mention the words 'winning games." You know who has been doing that at an elite level for the last 3 years? :)

I do get this point you are making.. and I too have stated many times that I'd like to see more downfield throws. That will come as the offense grows. It did come, as the offense grew in yr 1.

Sure would come more often and quickly, if the OL pass pro and speed WRs would show themselves as competent.

Right now, my tally is:

Elite in no particular order
Manning
Brees
Brady
Rodgers

Really good in no particular order
Luck
Russell Wilson
Phyllis
Homo
Raplisberger

Marginally better, maybe not in no particular order
****ler (Maybe)
Flacco
Stafford
E Manning
Ryan
Foles (probably)
Krapernick

You know this is like the old Elway argument. Dude would not have to be coming back so often if he played better earlier in the game.

Not Alex Smith come playoff time.

Being able to mount a comeback is more than being a "manager".

Clark has his pulse on KC nation. This poll shows it's much safer for KC to keep grabbing a veteran than draft a young player. Foles has a great year and 2/3 of KC fans don't think he's very good. Manning has two Super Bowl rings and half the fans don't think he's very good.

Of course fans in this region are going to love the hard-working, conservative every-man of QB's. They all see a little bit of themselves in the guy.

Don't need all that talent when you can get by on a solid work ethic and just being plain ol' nice!

They did something similar on the radio a couple mornings ago, running down a list of QB's asking if you'd take him over Alex, and the number one response was "CARELESS WITH THE FOOTBALL!!!".

What about [insert QB's name]?
CARELESS WITH THE FOOTBALL!

Ok, well what about [insert QB's name]?
TOO CARELESS WITH THE FOOTBALL!

Not in the past two years. No way

So the chiefs were elite last year?

LMAO

Throwing the ball too much is just plain risky! Keep it on the ground! Or keep the passes short!

Who should alex Chuck it to?

Last year speaking.

Bowe? Fasano? He didn't have ladarius greene, keenan allen, gates.

Gotta have weapons

So if Wilson was on the Cleveland Browns instead of Seattle do you honestly think he'd have the same success? He has been gifted with an elite roster his entire two years. He's a decent QB on a great team.

Not saying he won't develop into a great one, but to this point he hasn't proven shit other than he can ride a herculean defensive team that can run it down your throat to a championship just like Roethlisburger did to his first ring. The only young guy who looks the part right now of future elite QB is Luck.

Peyton's only got 1 Super Bowl ring, partna.

PRINCIPAL, MANG!

Eli.

Wilson has superb intangibles, a very high football IQ, and elite accuracy. He's far from just "decent". The only reason he fell is because of his height.

Yeah, or you know, because watching a quarterback stretch the field and sling the ball around is a metric **** ton more fun to watch than the product Smith produces. He is just not an entertaining football player, and fun to watch is half the equation when people decide to spend 3+ hours a week watching football.

All of this

Yep! But he was also completely beneath most GM's radar. Even Pete Carroll did not want John Schneider to draft Wilson. Schneider was in a a tiny group of GMs that saw Wilson's potential, and even he was shocked at Wilson's rookie year, saying he would be lying if he were to say he expected that.

Wilson is the real deal and is soaring. The kid has elite potential. Time will tell if he gets there. Another Drew Brees perhaps, but who knows? It will take some time to see his ceiling. 20-25 teams would be better off with Wilson than the QB they have.

Those are at least better arguments than "he has a ring and Smith doesn't".

Wow, 77 posters would rather have tony romo?

Rushing yards is a statistical category for RBs not for QBs. It is not an accurate measure of what a QB is doing. QB is all about the passing yards. Sure there are a few QBs that get the occasional paly for them to run actually called but that is not the case most of the time. I doubt it is ever the case for Smith. A QB is suppose to throw or hand it off other than in times when the play breaks down. His rushing yardage shows that he has enough speed to actual save a broken play but he is not being called on to haul the rock.
I find it to be disingenuous to lump them all together knowing that most people would assume those were passing yards solely based on the way you stated those numbers.

You didn't watch last year then.

There were a number of designed runs for Smith last year. Most of them early in the game...

. found the link

To achieve as much success as he has in two years you have to have talent and be able to make throws and lead the team.

He actually went about two rounds earlier than the talking heads predicted. He had seven 4th quarter comebacks / game winning drives in his senior year at Wisconsin. That's the kind of shit the GMs and HCs like. It's part of the reason why Bortles went before Bridgewater and Manziel.