ROFL We would have won a SB if it wasn't for Marty-stubborn bastard.

Marty didn't get 6 sacks in a game and hit Steve Young so hard he was puking on the field.

DT took over games. Not ****ing Marty Ball.

shitty human, eh? Because he wasn't the most intelligent guy from the most educated upbringing and fathered several children with different women?

that alone makes him a shitty human?

ok

He was the second best in football history, just behind LT.

Agree to disagree. The Chiefs have failed to have back to back playoff appearances for 20 years, despite the head coach, and haven't had a win in 21.

I love how middle class to upper middle class white men like to judge these kids who come from inner-cities that have no educations and would have had no chance had it not been for their athletic ability ...

yeah, hand them a million dollars and suddenly that makes up for 18 years of little to no education

sheer brilliance, on this board

"if they ever gave me a million dollars I wouldn't squander it on jewelry and cars and women!"

well yeah, because you were brought up in a two parent household where values were instilled and education was a priority

I'm sure you really relate to most of these guys.

:thumb: Yep thanks to Bob Gretz giving the absolute worst HOF induction speech ever-DT has been branded a bust in coverage and run support-and cost him a few years to get in.

Thanks Bob- you dumbass!!

Deion Sanders wasn't good at tackling. He's terrible!

DT wasn't paid to stop the run or cover the pass ... he was paid to make it hell for that QB and to make that QB hear footsteps all game long.

It's amazing that we have Chiefs fans who are calling him "overrated."

what the **** ever

:thumb: Yep since DT died.

oh yeah, these are the same guys who called Tony Gonzalez overrated and called the tight end a "luxury" position not a necessity and were trying to trade the ****ing guy for 5 straight years

I forgot.

when we get the occasional hall of famer instead of celebrating him we point out all of his flaws (not sure what Tony G's flaw was ...?) and eagerly await for them to no longer be Chiefs so we can talk about how overrated they were and how they can go **** themselves

That's all well and good. But it's inaccurate to call him a complete linebacker.

I never called him that, and I don't really even know what that means.

I don't think the game plan for Derrick Thomas was ever to do anything other than go balls to the wall to sack that QB. I'm pretty sure the defense was built around him not covering the flats and not stopping the run. They built an entire defense around him so that he could rape QB's faces and our defense, for the most part, was truly elite in the 90s with Derrick Thomas.

and I realize you're not bashing the guy, I really do ... but it's amazing how this board treats Chiefs greats from the past.

People still want Tony Gonzalez to go **** himself. Amazing.

Gonzalez was not, in any way, "overrated". He had excellent hands, was a great blocker and redefined the position.

Any talk of him him being overrated is silly.

LT snorted a pound of coke before every game-no wonder he was fast.

DT > LT

Hah. What in the actual ****?

Am I the only person that's a bit shocked to see Hootie, of all people, championing inner city black people???

Then explain 1998 and 1999

He's one of the best pass rushers in the history of the l3ague. Not just the chiefs, but the nfl.

He had his faults no doubt though

I have always thought it was ridiculous that educated, middle class white men compare themselves and their situations to guys like Dez Bryant and can't understand why Dez acts the way Dez acts.

Kevin Greene is #3 and can't seem to get into the HOF. I think it's because he bounced around the league for so long and therefore, doesn't have a media member and HOF voting member pleading his case each year.

But regardless of why, it's a shame, IMO.

I think the whole system of voting is flawed, but that's a whole other argument.

His is a name that definitely doesnt get talked about enough.

If you are talking about the perception by Chiefs fans, then I would agree with you.

On a national level, however, I would suggest that he is somewhat underrated.

I think the Chiefs would have been a better team with Marty than without, but the transformation would have been much less without DT.

That defense, regardless of his other flaws as a run stuffer and in coverage, fed off his enthusiasm and emotion.

And even though Marty and the DC had to cover his flaws, there was no one better in backside pursuit in the run game.

I have often said that Gunther did more to contain DT than any OC.

You gotta admit it looks like those days are just about to come to an end.

I dont find it a crime, or in any way impugning Thomas or my Chiefs fandom to say... Houston > Thomas, atleast so far.

There are some longevity issues at play here, but otherwise I'll hold to that take... if Houston stays here and continues on this arc, he'll be #1 all time in Arrowhead.

Chiefs fans are truly fortunate to have such great linebacker play over the decades.

Don't know the exact numbers, but Bobby Bell is believed to have 80 or more sacks for his career, in spite of the fact that he rushed the QB maybe around 25% of the snaps that Houston does.

He had 35 or 36 interceptions, and was an absolute beast against the run.

Houston has a long way to go before he matches Bell's overall productivity, and I just don't think he gets there.

Bell was an amazing player. We talked about him before here on the CP, but it's worth repeating. He was a QB in high school, wore high tops because he had bad ankles. He played on special teams his entire career as the deep snapper for Stenerud and Wilson. He returned an onside kick for a TD against Denver. He was the first pure outside linebacker elected to the Pro Football HOF. That last accolade speaks volumes. His number has been retired. No other Chiefs will ever wear #78.

Old farts like us are the only ones who appreciate his greatness.

I'm not arguing with you because I agree. Debating on which Chief was the best LB is ****ing reeruned. We don't have much to celebrate as chiefs fans. We won a superbowl almost 45 years ago. We haven't won a playoff game in over 20 years.

We should be celebrating all of our stud LB's. Derrick Thomas is my favorite. 90% of that has to do with the fact I grew up in the 90's. It's ok for us to have differences in opinions on this subject, but some of the ass clowns on here bashing our HOF players just to prove that their opinion is the "right opinion" , is just ****ing reeruned.

You are aware that TDs are the same number of points no matter who scores them, right? It literally does not matter who scores a TD.

Houston isn't a a Hall of Famer yet. Not even close. He's got a long way to go before I even start to compare him to guys like DT and Bell. Longevity is a big part of what makes a player great.

We've had some dingers no doubt, and Houston is climbing towards the top with every game.

Bell was simply before my day, theres just no reference point there for me to compare to... different eras, different players and all that jazz.

DTs sack numbers dropped after Gunther came to KC.

Considering that my first Christmas on earth was the day of the Chief's loss to Miami in OT. . . .

And more recently runningbacks as well. Priest,LJ,Charles is quite a run. I know LJ was a douche but he had quite a run until Herm killed his career