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and 750's are Yachts. Stay away - they're HUGGGGGE.

BRC - let me level with you.

I've owned the following cars:

Infiniti Qx4 SUV 1999
2000 Mercedes S500
05 Audi 1.8T - Tuned
06 Audi 3.2 straight six A4
2 Infiniti Fx35's
a QX56
and older acura's and Q45's
and finally two BMW 335i's - low mileage 07 and and 09 -

Now I have a 135i and that M5 - and I will look you in the eyes and tell you - The 09 335 was the funnest car out of all of them - The M5 is close - but just not as nimble and not an outright 'WHIP' - that tuned 335i was absolutely a sick vehicle - and by the way - faster than an m3 after tune.

even a guy in a 911t thumbed-up me - when we pulled. We raced as best as we could - I got him for a while in the 335 - also - I beat the crap out of an s4.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319007)

If you go three series - ABSOLUTELY do NOT go w/ 328 - go ahead and get the 335 - PLEASE!! Bearcat meant use that method w/ the new releases - such as two's and fours - you go three - you MUST go 335 or you're just downright robbing yourself of huger power differences - the same formula bearcat metioned will not apply to 3 series - it's 335 or m3 here.

Isn't the 328 the same 240hp engine as the 228, with some added weight? The link says 180hp, which would most definitely suck, but I think that's on the 320.

there was a white 335 non convertible at that Carmax by your place - I'm telling you - paint those rims black - tune it - and tint the front windows - you will be thanking me. I don't remember which yr. it was BRC.

I can't recommend the 335i enough - for 'bang for you buck' - honestly - though it's discontinued (per Miles) - I'll still probably own another one. Love those things tuned - You wouldn't believe it - You'd dust posters like Hemi Ed and the other Charger heads - :P

Im a little late on this but mustang is all new and bad to the bone. 300hp and 32 mpg or 438hp and a little less. Pick your poison~

PM me

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319039)

quit recommending BMW's~

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319031)

Isn't the 328 the same 240hp engine as the 228, with some added weight? The link says 180hp, which would most definitely suck, but I think that's on the 320.

I just think you go ahead and go 335 if you stick to 3 - that twin t's + 300stock WHP - The platform for tuning on a 335 is second to none - it is the fastest car for that money - and it's sickening fast after a tune - in fact - once they offer that on your 235 - I'd definitely look into it - it's SOOOO fun and changes your entire cars feel (in a great way.) Trust me. It may be tune-able right now, I'd check Burger Motorsports or Cobb Tuning.

Wow, that 750 is 30 inches longer than the 2 series and weighs 900 pounds more. The opposite of a coupe, but I'd be interested to know if that engine makes up for it.

also if any of you explore tunes - though more expensive around 2600 or there abouts - the Cobb Access port is awesome and feels more stock than Burgers JB4 - now Burger MS JB4 device absolutely will give you more pull - but the smoothness of the Cobb - is what I prefer - because it's still sickening fast. See here:

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/a54f1BxNr54" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319052)

Wow, that 750 is 30 inches longer than the 2 series and weighs 900 pounds more. The opposite of a coupe, but I'd be interested to know if that engine makes up for it.

No. Not at all

Victor Newman car - don't do it BRC.

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319047)

quit recommending BMW's~

:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319041)

Im a little late on this but mustang is all new and bad to the bone. 300hp and 32 mpg or 438hp and a little less. Pick your poison~

PM me

I've ruled out the Mustang. I just don't like the 2015 models. I've driven a Pony for 10 years, love it. But they screwed the pooch by ****ing with the design.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11319068)

:popcorn:

No it's not going there - I don't care if he approves or not - heck - I'm happy he is in to cars - whichever his flavor - I'm not one to tell anyone I'm right and they're wrong - I know I've loved all of mine. I'm not a huge American car fan

It is what it is. No big deal - I DO like true older American cars - a lot actually.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319069)

I've ruled out the Mustang. I just don't like the 2015 models. I've driven a Pony for 10 years, love it. But they screwed the pooch by ****ing with the design.

Some people arent hot on the looks, but everything else about the car has been improved. Ford stole a lot of good stuff from AstonMartin, and married it to the Mustang.

That being said, I have the largest pre-owned inventory in Missouri. www.machens.com

check me out~

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319052)

Wow, that 750 is 30 inches longer than the 2 series and weighs 900 pounds more. The opposite of a coupe, but I'd be interested to know if that engine makes up for it.

I was looking at the 750 as a traveling car. We have Lincoln MKX. Figured that we could sell that get her the Mini-cooper that she wants and when we travel use the 750. Don't get me started on the stupid ass mini-cooper.:shake:

But the door jam may be a deal breaker anyway. And I want a damn sports car.

My first choice for you would be the 335 - but I'd go about 2009 with low mileage - they still look great and you won't be 'car poor' - but most DEFINITELY get it tuned - and I can guide you there - AT A MINIMUM please at least drive one. No offense home town.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319051)

Yeah, and as far as my strategy, I didn't follow it, so I agree the extra power is worth it... but, the budget dictates that strategy to some extent. If $45-50 in play, definitely look at the 6 cylinders.

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319085)

Actually I thought that last body was the sweetest out of all of them - I like the taper from the quarter-panel to the grill. Very handsome feature - See there?... I play nice.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319091)

Oh they drive great. While they are driving right.

But bang for the buck, cost of ownership, and reliability they don't have~

They arent alone in that, they just have the deserved reputation of sucking.

Also they smell like crayons~

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319092)

I think BRC could be happy in an older model - heck that style is still awesome looking - plus he could get the tune - easily - if not spending quite as much - don't get me wrong BC - I love the new 2's and 4's - I'm just saying IDK - 328's to be perfectly honest with you - seems like a chick's car almost. But you got the 235 right? - what is that the straight turbo? or is it twin? Either one is sick - because that new single turbo super charged are ****ing dope as hell - FANTASTIC engine.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319098)

Actually I thought that last body was the sweetest out of all of them - I like the taper from the quarter-panel to the grill. Very handsome feature - See there?... I play nice.

I actually happen to love this new body style best out of all mustangs, with the new edge body style a close 2nd, and then foxx-body. But, people are a little wary about the new looks because of the nostalgia associated with old stangs, and of course the previous throwback body styles played on that.

It will grow on people, and as for performance, value, interior, options, etc etc,. all have been improved. It rocks.

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319111)

I just haven't had that many issues at all - being honest - I had WAYYYYY more in the Audi's and heck even the S500. I would tell you if I did have major issues with the BMW's trust me.

The only thing I've noticed is the lamps seem to go out faster than most other cars - that's kind of a pain - but it's not crazy, out of hand bad, just a little less life than average - I've noticed.

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319116)

I wasn't being sarcastic - i actually really like it.

Shit I'll go ahead and tell you - I like the new Ford Tauras' looks - Now I should be embarrassed admitting that - but it's a darned nice looking sedan.

I love cars overall - I could talk about them all night on here.

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319085)

That being said, I have the largest pre-owned inventory in Missouri. www.machens.com

check me out~

What do you guys think of this one?
2012 C63 AMG

http://www.machens.com/used/Mercedes...bdd0954b80.htm

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319113)

335 -- http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...91911678&Log=0

The 235 is a twin turbo.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319122)

The failure rate isn't all that high, it's just that others are insanely reliable... of course, they don't run turbochargers with dual clutches, etc.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319134)

What do you guys think of this one?
2012 C63 AMG

http://www.machens.com/used/Mercedes...bdd0954b80.htm

Someone was suggesting that model last night... I've heard it's a relatively rough drive compared to Audi and BMW, but obviously plenty powerful... didn't test drive one myself though.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319138)

335 -- http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...91911678&Log=0

The 235 is a twin turbo.

Awesome and awesome - You'll love the twins - and that is a ****ing awesome ride - open that shit up BRC! mine was VERY close to the same as that one - there are pics of it somewhere on CP - oh just use the sear............ oh never mind.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319138)

335 -- http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...91911678&Log=0

The 235 is a twin turbo.

Nice find. You guys know your cars.:thumb:

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319143)

The failure rate isn't all that high, it's just that others are insanely reliable... of course, they don't run turbochargers with dual clutches, etc.

yes exactly. I'm just trying to give you all a fair assessment of my experiences. Since I have some history on both - and even Mercedes - also Mercedes break more - just like Audi vs BMW (again in MY experiences)

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319172)

Nice find. You guys know your cars.:thumb:

Is that in your geographical area?

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319172)

Nice find. You guys know your cars.:thumb:

Shit - not like some of these guys - some of these guys REALLY know their cars - I know enough to have to review my thoughts in my head to make sure I don't screw up any terminology - but I keep it pretty layman - some of these guys know all of the buzzwords. My buddy Clark who has the R8 - he talks to me sometimes and loses me. There is a WHOLE bunch to know on and about cars - especially w/ speed measurements - terms on rev's etc etc.... Just a lot to know and learn.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319174)

There's going to be a trade off between performance and reliability. It's basically the Alex Smith argument... some people like their cars to be game managers, and some want more while being willing to put up with the occasional trip to the shop.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11319193)

that's it.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11318998)

okay guys I'm going to test drive these on Wednesday:

2014 BMW 328i
http://www.fermanbmw.com/VehicleDeta...-FL/2456239493

SR is right. Do yourself a favor and forget the 328i and look at the 335i. The 328 has a twin turbo 4 cylinder. The 335 has a twin turbo six.

And SR, BMW didn't discontinue the 3 series. They made the 2 series to compete with smaller cars and the 4 series for those that wanted a little more room than the 3 series.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319179)

Is that in your geographical area?

Yes and I have a friend who is friends with the General Manager of that dealership. He is also a General manager of a KIA dealaership. He said he can look up what the wholesale cost is for a car and put a call into the general manager for me.

I will admit this - here's my deal w/ the m5 - now. The 2010 I own has the v10 and it's was acknowledged as an awesome engine - via reviews etc etc..

I REALLY am somewhat mad at myself for going that large - it's pretty danged large compared to the 335i - and I guess for whatever reason I didn't notice that when I checked it out prior to buying it.

It sounds amazing - like it sounds so good i want to make passionate love to it in the garage after a night of driving.

I love the car - it's that same Sapphire metallic black color that the other 335 was. So the color is sweet, it's a status car, so whatever - guess that's neat, sort of. But to be perfectly honest with you - the 335 was a lot more fun.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319057)

That BMW has more than just a tune.

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BMW 335i JB4-G5,RB Turbo, BMS DCI, Cp-e downpipes, ETS intercooler, ER chargepipe, Synapse BOV, Methanol injection

Also, tunes aren't exclusive to either device. The Cobb Accessport just allows a person to go in and change the factory settings for the ECU. You can control the wastegate, timing, etc. Factory settings are done for max fuel economy and reliability.

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11319218)

That BMW has more than just a tune.

Also, tunes aren't exclusive to either device. The Cobb Accessport just allows a person to go in and change the factory settings for the ECU. You can control the wastegate, timing, etc. Factory settings are done for max fuel economy and reliability.

it does - it's a badass run though.

Can't wait to hear your impressions of the Challenger SXT. It seems right up your alley.

I have no experience with the German models but I've always heard you don't want to buy a used one due to high repair costs. Maybe SR or others with more German car experience could address that.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319213)

I will admit this - here's my deal w/ the m5 - now. The 2010 I own has the v10 and it's was acknowledged as an awesome engine - via reviews etc etc..

Damn. I'll have to drive yours to so I can form a proper opinion.

Several times.

For the newer 2012-2014 335i are they still using the N52 3.0L straight six platform? That is a solid motor.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319210)

Yes and I have a friend who is friends with the General Manager of that dealership. He is also a General manager of a dealership. He said he can look up what the wholesale cost is for a car and put a call into the general manager for me.

I gave him the VIN# he is going to look up what they paid for it and where it was bought.

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11319218)

Wut? I don't understand what you're saying - the Cobb tune added 75WHP and about 90 Torque points - i'm not sure how that's factory - or am I missing something? Also I dyno'd close to 500WHP in the sedan gray JB4 335.

I mean the Access port gives you the ability to clear error codes - doesn't matter they'll just come back - but also the JB4 you can adjust your maps as well as w/ the Cobb.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319246)

I gave him the VIN# he is going to look up what they paid for it and where it was bought.

oh..

If he calls the GM, the gm will assign a salesperson to it, or, if he doesn't, when I call up there and say hey we need this car, he will tell me to **** off they have a customer on it.

Same customer~

I'm still learning all of this - so by all means school me - I just know for a certain fact that both the JB4 and the cobb tune - both gave me tremendous power gains. Earth shattering differences. Well worth the extra coin and time to get it installed.

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 11319225)

Can't wait to hear your impressions of the Challenger SXT. It seems right up your alley.

yeah I love the retro cars. I really love the Hemi-ed level cars. But, I can't fix the old cars myself and can't afford a 2nd car just for me with also shopping for a boat.LMAO

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319260)

Not clear here. Your a customer of that dealership?

I've already told them I want to test drive it on Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319278)

Not clear here. Your a customer of that dealership?

I've already told them I want to test drive it on Wednesday.

... I work for Machens... I told you that.. told you to look at my inventory.. then you picked a car out and called another salesperson. I would like to sell cars to people from CP, especially when I'm actively engaged in linking you to my inventory lol.

That hurts a little bit~

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319283)

I'm still not clear here. This is a dealership in Tampa. I just went to the link that Bearcat found and posted. The car is sitting on their lot in Tampa. How can you be involved in the transaction?

Ah well.. foot in my mouth a bit, I thought you had set up test drive for the machens car you had linked prior with another salesperson!

But, anyone else can now know that I am serious about car stuff :P

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319299)

Dude, I go to the link you posted and then call someone else to buy the car? WTF? I agree, that would seriously be uncool. I'd be pissed too. No worries.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319302)

Dude, I go to the link you posted and then call someone else to buy the car? WTF? I agree, that would seriously be uncool. I'd be pissed too. No worries.

That kind of shit is legendary in this business. It happens~

Thats why I was like damn..

Anyways oops :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319255)

The Accessport (not familiar with the JB4) allows you to go in and adjust the tables that make the motor run and affect how it runs. You can adjust fuel/air ratio, waste gate operation, timing, etc. The factory settings for these tables are set for maximum reliability and minimal fuel consumption. You can get good additional horsepower out of the motor by changing these settings with a tune.

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11319312)

I see - okay - so the house tune was the actual tune and the ECU work ? got it - like I said i'm sort of new - I know a little about a lot - not a lot about a little.

Am I understanding you correctly now? So the accessport wasn't the ECU work? but rather a code clearer - a map changer and some other things? Am I picking up what you're laying down? I'm still learning a lot. SO much to learn w/ these things.

**** it if we are soupin shit up lets go big turbo and all the trimmings.

Then a tune~

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319317)

I see - okay - so the house tune was the actual tune and the ECU work ? got it - like I said i'm sort of new - I know a little about a lot - not a lot about a little.

Am I understanding you correctly now? So the accessport wan't the ECU work? but rather a code clearer - a map changer and some other things? Am I picking up what you're laying down? I'm still learning a lot. SO much to learn w/ these things.

AP can apply and change tunes, its just the device a person uses to edit and apply settings in the ECU of the vehicle. A 'map' is any set tune.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319317)

So the 335i will need a tune?

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319317)

A little bit. The Accessport allows you to change the ECU settings. The "tune" is the shop going in and adjusting those values to get the best HP number out of it.

I'm not an expert on the finer details of tuning a modern motor (which after the CFA I will be diving into), but it's kind of like overclocking your PC. Stock works fine but if you're looking for the optimum set up, then you have to change it.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11319321)

So the 335i will need a tune?

No.

If you would like more than stock performance out of it, then yes.

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 11319318)

**** it if we are soupin shit up lets go big turbo and all the trimmings.

Then a tune~

**** YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 11319225)

I worked for Volkswagen/Audi dealer ... this can be spot on. Be careful how old you go. If you're a guy that buys a car every 2 to 3 years and you're buying a year old car, fine.

Seems like any time a car gets to be about 8 years old or so, you start seeing people dropping at least a few thousand into it. Friend of mine dropped $4800 into her Passat at about that same point. It would have cost her about 1/3 of that in a domestic.

Just the timing belt replacement on the AG cars required dropping half the front clip. Costs about $750-$1000 every 60,000 miles depending on the car. Usually people change the water pump at the same time. You start adding in other items and the bills can add up quick.

But hey, my feeling is if you can afford to drop $40-50k on a BMW or a Mercedes and can afford the insurance and all that, then you can likely afford the extra few thousand in repairs later on. That or you dump the car every few years.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11319213)

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 11317302)

Test a Dodge Challenger.

Okay test drove this one tonight. 2015 SXT Plus Coupe
http://www.daytonandrewsdodge.net/ne...7c4f30b883.htm

I absolutely love the looks of this car. They changed the front and back end with the 2015 models. It's got just the one Challenger stripe down the side. My wife is telling me that I'm too old for these type of cars now.:(

The car hasn't even been processed fully yet. GPS isn't turned on, couldn't get into the trunk or remote start yet.

It drives way better than my Mustang. It has a wider base and is a longer. This model has the upgraded suspension. It has the options I wanted in the Red exterior/Black interior that I wanted if I went with the challenger. 20in wheels.

The drivers seat fits perfectly. Seat belt doesn't jam me at the shoulder. 305 Horsepower. It took a while to get going, the lag time discussed earlier but it moved pretty good for the 6 cylinder once it got going.

They don't have a pic of the exact car up yet but this is the model
http://pictures.dealer.com/w/westgat...2ffd621c2x.jpg

Hand meet glove. That is all you, BRC.

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 11321262)

Hand meet glove. That is all you, BRC.

The heart wants what the heart wants.:rolleyes:

Nice looking car, and if you're not too old to drive, you're not too old to drive one of those.

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11321288)

Nice looking car, and if you're not too old to drive, you're not too old to drive one of those.

Tomorrow test driving these rides

2012 750i
2014 BMW 335i
http://www.reevesimportmotorcars.com...2F-fi-coupe%2F

Also may drive the 2015 2 Series like you got.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11321297)

I'm interested to know how the 750 drives... it'll be good to drive it back to back with the 335. The 750 is +100hp, but also +750lbs.

I guess I'd do just one last thing to that 335 and that's I'd paint the grill black - It looks a lot better minus chrome there, in that area - mine was a 09 package where it was already painted black - it was offered by BMW that way, that year in some packages/options. - the body was very close to the same - but yours is a little more current in shape. But not by a lot - the '09's looked great as well.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11321393)

$230 for that now. :shake:

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11321426)

$230 for that now. :shake:

Yeah it should be the same price IMO.

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11321393)

You got a pic of a 335 with the grill black? Spending $37K a couple of hundred ain't no big deal.

Just a counterpoint to the prior generation 335 coupe vs 428. While the 335 has the added power of the turbo I6, the 428 by being a full model newer offers among other things updated styling, more modern auto transmission (8 speed vs. 6) and updated interior (a generation newer infotainment/electronics).