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RealSNR 03-28-2015 09:58 AM

Honestly, the Chiefs don't have needs like they used to. They should take good players regardless of what position they play whenever they can get them.

Titty Meat 03-28-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11407694)
Honestly, the Chiefs don't have needs like they used to. They should take good players regardless of what position they play whenever they can get them.

Package picks take the best QB.

O.city 03-28-2015 10:08 AM

If they think mariota is worth it, do it. I'm not sure his upside isn't Alex smith, but it's up to them
.


Like dj has said, they need to just keep stacking talent and depth.

Titty Meat 03-28-2015 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11407703)
If they think mariota is worth it, do it. I'm not sure his upside isn't Alex smith, but it's up to them
.


Like dj has said, they need to just keep stacking talent and depth.

I think Mariota has a better arm. I also think the line between Alex Smith and Russell Wilson is a thin one. Wilson can make more throws because he has better arm strength.

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11407658)
We on't need OL?
We don't need WR?
We don't need ILB?

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 11407684)
1 out of 5 picks isn't a need pick


Christ

A Center/backup OL in the first, could have been had later than our 1st pick.
We don't need 2 WR in our first 3 picks.
We don't need an OLB.
An ILB in the 4th is late to have an immediate impact and our ILB corp is a mess. DJ is a huge question at best. The rest need improved upon.

BossChief 03-28-2015 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 11407607)
Not a big fan of drafting a center in the first, but it would be hard to complain about this draft. Definitely makes us a better team

Erving isn't a center.

He is a damn good linemen that can play all 5 spots on the line. I can't remember who it was, but there was a scout on Colin Cowherd the other day that compared Erving to Walter Jones...now, I don't know if that's legit or not, but he was making valid correlations between the two as prospects.

Getting Erving at 18 would be an outstanding pick.

The Franchise 03-28-2015 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11407722)
A Center/backup OL in the first, could have been had later than our 1st pick.
We don't need 2 WR in our first 3 picks.
We don't need an OLB.
An ILB in the 4th is late to have an immediate impact and our ILB corp is a mess. DJ is a huge question at best. The rest need improved upon.

So go look at the draft and tell us who you would have taken.

O.city 03-28-2015 10:54 AM

Drafting for need puts you in a position to have to overpay people down the road because you have zero depth.

BossChief 03-28-2015 10:54 AM

Like it or not, they need to build around the strengths and weaknesses of Alex Smith to give us a legit shot at winning something significant in the coming seasons. The first step to that is building a monster OL to open holes for Charles and Davis to run through to open up the passing game and to give Alex time to make sound decisions and to let plays develop.

The more I think about it, the more I love the pick.

BossChief 03-28-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Billay (Post 11407707)
I think Mariota has a better arm. I also think the line between Alex Smith and Russell Wilson is a thin one. Wilson can make more throws because he has better arm strength.

Russel uses his mobility to buy time for receivers to get open down field.

Alex uses his to pick up first downs with his legs.

Who knows, though...maybe that's a product of his lacking trust in his receivers.

Easy 6 03-28-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11407740)
Drafting for need puts you in a position to have to overpay people down the road because you have zero depth.

Quite true.

the Talking Can 03-28-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11407722)
A Center/backup OL in the first, could have been had later than our 1st pick.
We don't need 2 WR in our first 3 picks.
We don't need an OLB.
An ILB in the 4th is late to have an immediate impact and our ILB corp is a mess. DJ is a huge question at best. The rest need improved upon.

center is a need
2 wrs are a need
ilb is a need


not liking the players is a different issue

RealSNR 03-28-2015 11:12 AM

There is no ILB in this draft that can play all 3 downs like DJ does. At least not without multiple seasons of growth and development.

It's why we're probably not going to address the position until the late rounds, which is wise given the players in this class

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11407736)
So go look at the draft and tell us who you would have taken.

NT Malcom Brown, Texas
ILB Stephone Anthony
WR Justin Hardy
C Reese Dismukes

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 11407754)
center is a need
2 wrs are a need
ilb is a need


not liking the players is a different issue

Don't spend a first round pick on a Center.
ILB is a need that is not going to get filled in the 4th round.

RunKC 03-28-2015 11:25 AM

Where would Erving start? They seem pretty set with Kush at C and Stephenson at RT with competition.

Maybe RG?

Fisher, Grubbs, Kush, Erving, Stephenson

That's not too bad

Titty Meat 03-28-2015 11:29 AM

I don't think they are sold on Kush at all.

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11407765)
NT Malcom Brown, Texas
ILB Stephone Anthony
WR Justin Hardy
C Reese Dismukes

Backup NT in the 1st? ROFL

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:35 AM

If I'm taking backup anything in the 1st....it'll be Dupree at #18. Hali won't be here after this year and we don't even know if Houston is going to play until Week 10.

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11407778)
Backup NT in the 1st? ROFL

Poe will slide to DE.

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11407780)
If I'm taking backup anything in the 1st....it'll be Dupree at #18. Hali won't be here after this year and we don't even know if Houston is going to play until Week 10.

That was the other player available to consider. I think we sign Houston.

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11407788)
Poe will slide to DE.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

O.city 03-28-2015 11:45 AM

Why do people want to move Poe to de? Just get better defensive ends and leave poe. I'd be interested to see how often they line him up at pu re nt anyway.

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:49 AM

I'd go....

1. Alvin Dupree, OLB/DE
2. Devin Smith, WR
3. Josh Shaw, CB
4. John Miller, OG

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:50 AM

I'd be just fine with Agholor in the 2nd as well.

O.city 03-28-2015 11:51 AM

I wouldn't take Erving round 1, but his versatility is nice

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:53 AM

Kush gets this year. I think Kush with good OGs around him will be better than Hudson surrounded like shit.

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11407792)
Why do people want to move Poe to de? Just get better defensive ends and leave poe. I'd be interested to see how often they line him up at pu re nt anyway.

Because it is hard to pay your NT $19M a year average, while paying DE and OLB to rush the passer. He can be just as disruptive, if not more so from DE.

Easy 6 03-28-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11407788)
Poe will slide to DE.

It would take a year or two for that to be feasible, cant say I'm a fan of NT at #1.

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:55 AM

Ummm what?

The Franchise 03-28-2015 11:56 AM

You want to move Poe so he'll be cheaper?

O.city 03-28-2015 11:56 AM

19 million per year average? Where the hell does that come from?

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11407810)
19 million per year average? Where the hell does that come from?

That is what Suh just so, Poe will get a similar deal.

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11407809)
You want to move Poe so he'll be cheaper?

No. It would allow us to more feasible keep him financially while creating some crazy DL packages.
You guys act like this is the first time someone on here has mentioned moving Poe to DE.

O.city 03-28-2015 11:58 AM

No, Poe wont. If he wants that, he's not getting it here.

The Chiefs have the 5th year option for Poe next year, then if he doesn't want to sign a fair deal for both sides, Tage him twice and let him hit the market as a 29 year old worn down nt.

RealSNR 03-28-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11407811)
That is what Suh just go. Poe will get a similar deal.

I doubt it. Even if he's too expensive for Dorsey to pay, he's not going to get close to that from another team.

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 12:04 PM

I think Poe is better than McCoy. McCoy got a $13M a year average on a $95M contract.

The Franchise 03-28-2015 12:07 PM

And we still have 2 years left on his rookie deal. I'm not drafting a replacement now......not in the 1st at least.

O.city 03-28-2015 12:08 PM

This year, the 5th year option, and two franchise tag deals basically gets you poe for 4 years for unerring 40 million?

Chief Roundup 03-28-2015 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11407830)
And we still have 2 years left on his rookie deal. I'm not drafting a replacement now......not in the 1st at least.

That is not what I am doing. With those picks I would be trying to strengthen our defense. Face it we have to have a TOP D to win with Alex as the QB.
We have already improved the OL tremendously with the Grubbs signing and putting Stephenson back at RT.

milkman 03-28-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11407773)
Where would Erving start? They seem pretty set with Kush at C and Stephenson at RT with competition.

Maybe RG?

Fisher, Grubbs, Kush, Erving, Stephenson

That's not too bad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11407838)
That is not what I am doing. With those picks I would be trying to strengthen our defense. Face it we have to have a TOP D to win with Alex as the QB.
We have already improved the OL tremendously with the Grubbs signing and putting Stephenson back at RT.

Unless Stephenson pulls his head out of his ass and starts to play to his tremendous potential, I have little doubt that Erving would win a competition to start at RT.

Erving's versatility gives the OL incredible flexibility.

He has the talent to play anywhere on the line at a legitimate pro bowl calibre.

Start him at RT, move him to LT if Fisher isn't progressing, or to center if Kush doesn't perform, and he can back up any position on the line.

I am not a fan of the idea of drafting an O-Lineman with the first pick, but if the draft played out this way, I would be perfectly fine, happy really, if these were the picks in the actual draft.

milkman 03-28-2015 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11407735)
Erving isn't a center.

He is a damn good linemen that can play all 5 spots on the line. I can't remember who it was, but there was a scout on Colin Cowherd the other day that compared Erving to Walter Jones...now, I don't know if that's legit or not, but he was making valid correlations between the two as prospects.

Getting Erving at 18 would be an outstanding pick.

Heard the interview, and I believe it was Daniel Jeremiah.

Can't say I agree with the Walter Jone comparison, but I do believe that his versatilty makes him the most talented linemen in the draft.

Tombstone RJ 03-28-2015 01:25 PM

Poe ain't getting no $19m a year, he's not Suh and he's not Watt.

Easy 6 03-28-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 11407970)
Poe ain't getting no $19m a year, he's not Suh and he's not Watt.

You're right, Poe gives a far more consistent effort than Suh.

BigMeatballDave 03-28-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 11407970)
Poe ain't getting no $19m a year, he's not Suh and he's not Watt.

That's right. Poe is a NT. They are not.

BossChief 03-28-2015 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11407961)
Heard the interview, and I believe it was Daniel Jeremiah.

Can't say I agree with the Walter Jone comparison, but I do believe that his versatilty makes him the most talented linemen in the draft.

I thought it sounded like him. But I wasn't sure.

Guys like that are extremely valuable. Especially to a team with a QB like Alex and running backs like Jamaal and Knile.

If we make this OL beast mode, this offense is gonna be extremely tough to stop consistently and that will make us very tough to beat. Especially in the playoffs.


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