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Dragonocho 06-16-2015 03:55 PM

When they arrest the guys who actually did this they will prosecute federally. I've seen or heard no evidence this was a conspiracy. If it is, Katie bar the door.

I'm a Royals fan and respect the Cardinals success. I hope for them this was criminally poor decision making by some twenty somethings.

DJ's left nut 06-16-2015 04:09 PM

HAHAHAHA!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHpj31lVEAEuK5H.jpg

{tips cap}

Al Bundy 06-16-2015 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11551787)
Live PPV execution of 100,000 random fans.

I am ALL for that...

DJJasonp 06-16-2015 04:47 PM

So every time during the all star game that Joe buck wants to bring up the royals and voting "travesty".....the color guy should bring up cardinals hacking.....you know, just to be fair.

PunkinDrublic 06-16-2015 04:50 PM

Perfect distraction story for non Royals fans. Anything that keeps them from voting against Royals players!

OnTheWarpath15 06-16-2015 05:04 PM

Next favorite tweet:

Turns out the Cardinals were doing nothing more than trying to find Brett Wallace.

-Dan O'Neill

Sassy Squatch 06-16-2015 05:20 PM

Anyone else find it hilarious that bambi slunk out of the conference shit talk thread only to post about Mizzou in a thread that literally had nothing to do with them?

George Liquor 06-16-2015 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 11551931)
Anyone else find it hilarious that bambi slunk out of the conference shit talk thread only to post about Mizzou in a thread that literally had nothing to do with them?

I was gonna point that out.. But he isn't worth the time.

Marcellus 06-16-2015 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11551919)
Next favorite tweet:

Turns out the Cardinals were doing nothing more than trying to find Brett Wallace.

-Dan O'Neill

LMAO what happened to that guy anyway?

Anyong Bluth 06-16-2015 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11551391)
ROFL

Except it might not have been ANY air. The physical evidence is weak as hell. Heck, the New York Times, relying on an independent research report, blew the Wells Report out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/op...gate.html?_r=0




http://www.aei.org/publication/on-wells-report/

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploa...lls-report.pdf

Big punchline:

Take it back to the Patriots thread. I don't want to rehash this shit here.
There is going to be plenty of juicy dirt making its way to the news cycle to keep this thread nice and fat on its own.

Not to mention, given the geographic proximity and members of CP that root for said club, the responses should be priceless or dead silence.

ChiefsCountry 06-16-2015 07:40 PM

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Anyong Bluth 06-16-2015 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11552271)
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Remember, remember...

When we used to play in October.

BigRedChief 06-16-2015 08:09 PM

This culture of old school vs. new school stat guys bites us in the ass again.

I hope this was some low level tech ****ing with Ludlow and not directed by management. But, even it was just a low level 20 something doing it all, no one will believe it. Stupid ass decision by whoever thats for sure.

Whoever knew about this or participated in it needs to be fired by the cardinals at the minimum. Even if we lose a top 5 GM.

This shit stains a long storied and proud franchise. Stan the man wore the Birds on Bat for crissakes. The current management are care takers of the high bar. Tremendous lack of respect for the fans. Shame on all involved.

Anyong Bluth 06-16-2015 08:31 PM

Cardinals Announce Replacement GM with Previous Experience in Counterintelligence

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...dd55f57be6.jpg

Bowser 06-16-2015 09:34 PM

LMAO

In Soviet Russia, Cardinals hack YOU

ChiTown 06-16-2015 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11552346)
This culture of old school vs. new school stat guys bites us in the ass again.

I hope this was some low level tech ****ing with Ludlow and not directed by management. But, even it was just a low level 20 something doing it all, no one will believe it. Stupid ass decision by whoever thats for sure.

Whoever knew about this or participated in it needs to be fired by the cardinals at the minimum. Even if we lose a top 5 GM.

This shit stains a long storied and proud franchise. Stan the man wore the Birds on Bat for crissakes. The current management are care takers of the high bar. Tremendous lack of respect for the fans. Shame on all involved.

I'm sorry, I really am, but LMAO at this post.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-16-2015 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11552404)
Cardinals Announce Replacement GM with Previous Experience in Counterintelligence

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...dd55f57be6.jpg

Given that we've basically annexed Kauffman for 20 years, Putin would fit right in.

Discuss Thrower 06-16-2015 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 11551931)
Anyone else find it hilarious that bambi slunk out of the conference shit talk thread only to post about Mizzou in a thread that literally had nothing to do with them?

Nothing was funny about that. Just incredibly sad.

rtmike 06-16-2015 10:57 PM

World Champions St. Louis Cardinals*


too soon?

007 06-17-2015 02:22 AM

Theres no hacking in baseball.

Well, there is but, you know...

Anyong Bluth 06-17-2015 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11552704)
Given that we've basically annexed Kauffman for 20 years, Putin would fit right in.

Crimea river...

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...cc6516410c.jpg

George Liquor 06-17-2015 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtmike (Post 11552844)
World Champions St. Louis Cardinals*


too soon?

Why would that happen? Luhnow was a Cardinals employee in 2011

Amnorix 06-17-2015 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11552238)
Take it back to the Patriots thread. I don't want to rehash this shit here.
There is going to be plenty of juicy dirt making its way to the news cycle to keep this thread nice and fat on its own.

Not to mention, given the geographic proximity and members of CP that root for said club, the responses should be priceless or dead silence.


Merely for the record, I didn't bring it up. I only responded to statements others made. :p

DJ's left nut 06-17-2015 11:02 AM

I presume someone at some point here read Bill Plaschke's article? I only ask this because it's quite possibly the worst article written and published regarding any topic at any time. It is, simply stated, the biggest piece of journalistic shit I have ever read.

In steps Michael Hurley of CBS Sports and Craig Calcaterra of Hardball talk to kick the corpulent shithead in the ear...

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/06/1...hing/#comments

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...d-performance/

Folks - this is just silly. I understand the desire to get your shots in and openly acknowledge that I would do the same. But man, when you reach the level of idiocy that Plaschke reached here, you should probably just call it a day. I refuse to provide a link as I will not grace him with a pageview (nor should you), but Hurley's pieces has some of the key snippets and it really is remarkable what a bitchy little ****wit that guy has become.

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wazu 06-17-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11553206)
I presume someone at some point here read Bill Plaschke's article? I only ask this because it's quite possibly the worst article written and published regarding any topic at any time. It is, simply stated, the biggest piece of journalistic shit I have ever read.

In steps Michael Hurley of CBS Sports and Craig Calcaterra of Hardball talk to kick the corpulent shithead in the ear...

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/06/1...hing/#comments

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...d-performance/

Folks - this is just silly. I understand the desire to get your shots in and openly acknowledge that I would do the same. But man, when you reach the level of idiocy that Plaschke reached here, you should probably just call it a day. I refuse to provide a link as I will not grace him with a pageview (nor should you), but Hurley's pieces has some of the key snippets and it really is remarkable what a bitchy little ****wit that guy has become.

I just read the article. He's probably off his rocker but who knows? Manfred should at least conduct an inquiry for due diligence purposes.

Swanman 06-17-2015 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 11553259)
I just read the article. He's probably off his rocker but who knows? Manfred should at least conduct an inquiry for due diligence purposes.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...-thumbs-up.gif

George Liquor 06-17-2015 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11553206)
I presume someone at some point here read Bill Plaschke's article? I only ask this because it's quite possibly the worst article written and published regarding any topic at any time. It is, simply stated, the biggest piece of journalistic shit I have ever read.

In steps Michael Hurley of CBS Sports and Craig Calcaterra of Hardball talk to kick the corpulent shithead in the ear...

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/06/1...hing/#comments

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...d-performance/

Folks - this is just silly. I understand the desire to get your shots in and openly acknowledge that I would do the same. But man, when you reach the level of idiocy that Plaschke reached here, you should probably just call it a day. I refuse to provide a link as I will not grace him with a pageview (nor should you), but Hurley's pieces has some of the key snippets and it really is remarkable what a bitchy little ****wit that guy has become.

I read it. It was terrible. Like if Bambi were a journalist.

DJ's left nut 06-17-2015 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 11553259)
I just read the article. He's probably off his rocker but who knows? Manfred should at least conduct an inquiry for due diligence purposes.

Wow.

You actually read that thing and thought to yourself "y'now, he might be onto something here'?

Welp...I guess that's how Plaschke maintains a reading audience...

wazu 06-17-2015 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11553277)
Wow.

You actually read that thing and thought to yourself "y'now, he might be onto something here'?

Welp...I guess that's how Plaschke maintains a reading audience...

Kidding. It's a joke of a column.

Hootie 06-17-2015 12:50 PM

already bored with this

DJ's left nut 06-17-2015 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11553287)
already bored with this

You started bored with this.

But the general public seems inclined to follow you. Unless more information comes out here, there's not nearly as much meat on the bones as many had hoped.

ChiefsCountry 06-17-2015 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11553290)
You started bored with this.

But the general public seems inclined to follow you. Unless more information comes out here, there's not nearly as much meat on the bones as many had hoped.

You are a lawyer, what's your opinion on the Slugger hot dog throwing case?
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...e24659491.html

DJ's left nut 06-17-2015 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11553299)
You are a lawyer, what's your opinion on the Slugger hot dog throwing case?
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...e24659491.html

Purely technically, the Mo Supreme Court got that one right. Frankly, the appellate court's rationale in overturning it was strained at best. I think they were mostly trying to work backwards to get the outcome they wanted and perhaps avoid setting some uncomfortable precedent for sporting events.

If the injury showed up 2 days later it would seem to me that causation would be the most difficult element to prove there but that trial will probably devolve into a battle of experts. If the Plaintiff has an MD telling the jury that it's reasonable to expect an injury of that sort to not manifest itself for 48 hours then the jury would likely buy the causation element.

kcfanXIII 06-17-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11552346)
This culture of old school vs. new school stat guys bites us in the ass again.

I hope this was some low level tech ****ing with Ludlow and not directed by management. But, even it was just a low level 20 something doing it all, no one will believe it. Stupid ass decision by whoever thats for sure.

Whoever knew about this or participated in it needs to be fired by the cardinals at the minimum. Even if we lose a top 5 GM.

Ok, maybe card fans are capable of handling this with out sounding like they love the smell of their own farts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11552346)
This shit stains a long storied and proud franchise. Stan the man wore the Birds on Bat for crissakes. The current management are care takers of the high bar. Tremendous lack of respect for the fans. Shame on all involved.

nope.

BigRedChief 06-17-2015 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 11553342)
Ok, maybe card fans are capable of handling this with out sounding like they love the smell of their own farts.

ROFLand also nlm

This is looking like some low level 20 somethings wanted to embarrass their former boss or something like that out of spite/hatred.

I see tech security doors open all the time in my travels in I.T. I don't enter them not because its illegal but just not interested. Seems to me to be voyeurism, some kind of virtual standing outside a house and peeking in through a window. So many young people in the field just can't resist the opportunity.

If it turns out that is what happened, its still the Cardinals brass fault. They allowed this old school vs new school camps to fight against and flourish for years.

George Liquor 06-17-2015 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11553413)
ROFLand also nlm

This is looking like some low level 20 somethings wanted to embarrass their former boss or something like that out of spite/hatred.

I see tech security doors open all the time in my travels in I.T. I don't enter them not because its illegal but just not interested. Seems to me to be voyeurism, some kind of virtual standing outside a house and peeking in through a window. So many young people in the field just can't resist the opportunity.

If it turns out that is what happened, its still the Cardinals brass fault. They allowed this old school vs new school camps to fight against and flourish for years.

Remember last October when I used your password to MLB.TV?

l33t h4x

kcfanXIII 06-17-2015 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11553413)
ROFLand also nlm

This is looking like some low level 20 somethings wanted to embarrass their former boss or something like that out of spite/hatred.

I see tech security doors open all the time in my travels in I.T. I don't enter them not because its illegal but just not interested. Seems to me to be voyeurism, some kind of virtual standing outside a house and peeking in through a window. So many young people in the field just can't resist the opportunity.

If it turns out that is what happened, its still the Cardinals brass fault. They allowed this old school vs new school camps to fight against and flourish for years.

Pretty much how I view it. It is just extra fun that it is happening to the Lou. I will be floored if it comes back to the higher ups, and I really don't know that MLB should punish them at all unless they have absolute proof it goes to the top. JMO.

Chief Roundup 06-18-2015 01:45 PM

So the Cardinals have basically been cleared of any wrong doing beyond having some ****tard working in low level management.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/sp...ives.html?_r=0

Quote:

ST. LOUIS — High-level executives of the St. Louis Cardinals were not involved in the hacking of the Houston Astros’ database, a lawyer whose firm was hired by the team to perform a review said Wednesday.

The Cardinals said they had retained the firm, Dowd Bennett, for the review several months before it was disclosed this week that the F.B.I. was investigating whether the team had hacked into the database, which is used to track players and prospects.

“With what we have done so far, I am 100 percent confident that this does not touch upper management,” the lawyer, Jim Martin, said. He added that he was sure the hacking did not involve people like John Mozeliak, the team’s general manager, or Bill DeWitt Jr., its chairman.

Mr. Martin said he was retained in February.

There has been no indication of how many employees might be under investigation, and Mr. Martin’s comments were the first to suggest that any wrongdoing could be limited to the lower levels of the Cardinals’ organization.
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“These are serious allegations that don’t reflect who we are as an organization,” Mr. DeWitt said. “We are committed to getting to the bottom of this matter as soon as possible, and if anyone within our organization is determined to be involved in anything inappropriate, they will be held accountable.”

The internal investigation is not finished. Mr. DeWitt said the law firm was also helping the team give information to the federal government.

gblowfish 06-18-2015 01:51 PM

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This was sent to me by one of my St. Louis pals...

George Liquor 06-18-2015 02:19 PM

Dat narrative tho

seaofred 06-18-2015 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11555220)
So the Cardinals have basically been cleared of any wrong doing beyond having some ****tard working in low level management.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/18/sp...ives.html?_r=0

So a lawyer that is being paid by the Cardinals is saying they are innocent? Never heard that before. :rolleyes:

Anyong Bluth 06-18-2015 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 11555321)
So a lawyer that is being paid by the Cardinals is saying they are innocent? Never heard that before. :rolleyes:

/oj

Lex Luthor 06-19-2015 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11551552)
this is a contradiction

a great front office doesn't hire a god awful manager -- unless, of course, your great front office realizes managing is no longer about X's and O's as much as it is about managing the clubhouse

so you can't have it both ways

why would a great front office hire a 'god awful manager'?

Does Dayton Moore run a great front office?

He did hire Trey Hillman.

Of course, the answer could be that the Royals front office may be great now, but they weren't back when Moore was hiring Trey Hillman and acquiring players like Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Jacobs.

Anyong Bluth 07-02-2015 03:03 PM

Looks like the Cards can't lay it at the feet of low level interns.

Their Director of Scouting, Correa, just got fired for admitting to hacking into the Astros system - well, not hacking but illegally accessing it with the old password.

Certainly means MLB isn't going to treat the situation like before when it was being blamed on rogue interns not truly "affiliated" with the front office.

DJ's left nut 07-02-2015 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11578295)
Looks like the Cards can't lay it at the feet of low level interns.

Their Director of Scouting, Correa, just got fired for admitting to hacking into the Astros system - well, not hacking but illegally accessing it with the old password.

Certainly means MLB isn't going to treat the situation like before when it was being blamed on rogue interns not truly "affiliated" with the front office.

In fairness, Correa wasn't the director of scouting at the time of the breach. Kantrovitz was; Correa replaced him last December. He was likely still a 'statistical analyst' at the time (hard to say without having the timelines pinned down).

But yeah, that's higher up than I'd have liked to it have been.

Like I said, the paper trail's pretty obvious on this one. Nothing to do now but see where it leads. Heads will roll and punishments will be doled out.


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