OTWP taught me everything I know.

Before I sat next to him at a Chiefs game I was a dirty, dirty Cassel lover.

And you and your ilk want to assign too much credit for the teams losses.

FUUU*K, this is why the guy is so divisive... just trying to be fair about him equals some kind of traitor status with some of you.

Dudes the worst ever or you're an idiot homer, no in-betweens allowed... well **** you all... things arent usually that simple and I'm not going to kiss your ass for popularity sake.

Sorry, but that's the way it works when you're the QB.

You can't sit here and say Alex "balled out that game." He balled out for a half, period. After that it was fraidy-cat nonsense.

"All he does is win!" is the narrative from idiots like Sandy Cheeks et al...


... until it's X, Y or Z's fault. Then it's yet another instance of when the team around Smith let him down.

He balled out for a half. He played solid enough in the 2nd half especially given what he had.

The idea that he was playing fraidy-cat is complete nonsense.

Most games, I would agree that the QB is accountable. But I haven't seen a more clear-cut example of a QB's teammates literally playing the worst football of their career all in one game.

It's always special circumstances when Alex loses. The stars aligned against him just so! The poor bastard!

No it isn't. I don't make many excuses for the guy. When he sucks, he sucks.

Playing much of the half with a record-breakingly bad defense, and with AJ Jenkins as your #2 receiver, Cyrus Gray as your #1 RB, no talent whatsoever at TE, and a not so great offensive line is about as bad as you're going to get. The supporting cast for most of that half might go down as being one of the worst in playoff history.

Alex Smith sucks, he should have scored 80 points in the playoffs with a team full of street free agents to prove otherwise.

We should not have any expectation that Alex and the offense should have been able to score points at, or near, the same pace in the 2nd half as they did in the first half, given the injuries.

We should also recognize that the running game provided next to nothing, which impacted the play calling.

But we should also have an expectation that Alex and Reid were aware of the game situationn and should have milked the clock for every available second.

That is where both failed this team.

I agree. I watched the second half last night and it's so frustrating watch them snap every ball before they even show the playclock on the screen, meaning there is more than 5 seconds left on each one. So many long developing pass plays called, too. Every play call in the 4th quarter pissed me off.

Rodgers and Wilson lost epic playoff losses they should have won. Losers.

Oh, and no exceptions.

They get a free pass because THEY WON THE ****ING SUPER BOWL.

So why should we have any expectation that the defense should have been able to prevent points and create turnovers at, or near, the same pace in the 2nd half as they did in the first half, given the injuries?

Cant have it both ways.

Here's the thing...
Alex Smith made mistakes in the second half including clock management. But no more mistakes than many QBs would make in a half.

The defense may have been the worst second half defense in playoff history
The running game was utterly useless
Every receiver/TE not named Bowe did nothing redeeming
The coaching was really, really bad, and that includes not instructing Smith to use the clock better

If you go through the starters from top to bottom, Smith's mistakes are way on the bottom of the list if we're playing the blame game.

Did I say anything regarding the defense in that post?

Bullshit.

The coaching deserves the most blame for poor clock management. Reid could have stopped it.

Sure Smith deserves some blame. But let this sink in again.
Brees/Brady/Peyton/Rodgers. All HOF QBs. They are a combined 3-14 in playoff games where their defense gave up 30+ points. Until this year, Peyton was the ONLY of the 4 to have won a game of this kind (Brady finally won one this year). The Chiefs' defense gave up 35 points in the 2nd half alone. A 2nd half that didn't have an unusual amount of turnovers and had a solid enough average of ~6 plays, 2:30 TOP per drive. That's DESPITE having absolutely no running game and terrible receiving options outside of Bowe. And I've been a stickler about this whenever Alex loses... in this game, he actually made the right pass on the final play of the game.

Smith did more than enough in the 2nd half to keep the Chiefs in the game despite the clock management. If HOFs struggle to win 30+ games, then I shouldn't expect Alex Smith to either. Let alone 40.

My apologies my man. I know I quoted you but was basically speaking to the general population of Chiefs fans that solely blame the defense for this loss.

Are we really still pretending Smith had something to do with the playoff loss? Get lives

:LOL: .. well done!

I'm not going to pin that loss on one player, but in general, Alex Smith is no better than Andy Reid at understanding game situations, clock, score, down, distance, any of it. Which means he's atrocious at it.

I'm not going to argue with you there. Smith's football IQ is extremely overrated.

But in this game, it was such a tiny factor in why the Chiefs lost. It was a QB performance I would gladly, gladly take in the playoffs whether it was Alex Smith or it was Aaron Rodgers. And that includes the second half.

That dog's had enough of that guy's shit

This has nothing to do with points.

It has everything to do with a veteran QB not recognizing the situation and giving the team the opportunity to run clock, thus not giving the opposition enough time to make an historic comeback.

Yes, Reid shoud have have also recognized the situation and directed Smith to do it, but a 10 year vet with a minimal football IQ should not need to be reminded.

No, it is not a tiny factor.

He manages the clock, time runs out, Chiefs win.

Period.
End of ****ing story.

I am sorry you and that other dipshit, Hootie, don't see this.

Yes, the defense blew chunks, and are clearly mostly to blame.

But Alex Smith and Andy Reid share some of it.

There's merit to this.

And if Alex had thrown more than 20 TD's in more than one season, it would be really important.

Look... some RB's fumble more than others. Some guys (like Charles) are a bit loose. Would you trade him on the merit of a guy who could fumble a few less times? No. Unless you were a fundamentally reeruned mother****er. Charles gets into the endzone.

Turnovers are bad. Scoring touchdowns is good. These things work in opposition to each other.

Looking at only ONE side of this is stupid as ****. The guy struggles to crack 20 TD's in the most prolific passing era the sport has ever seen. That acts as an ENORMOUS counterweight to the 'he helps the defense' argument.

And he still doesn't demonstrate a tendency to get shit done when the game is on the line.

Didn't think CP needed another Alex Smith bashing thread so I just threw this in an already made Alex Smith bashing thread...

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...ns-qb-rankings

HOW MANY INVISIBLE TOUCHDOWNS DOES PEYTON MANNING THROW?

That's what some have been saying about Alex Smith on here since the moment the trade rumors started popping up.

But those people are just haters, surely.

Alex Smith is mediocre.

Knowmo is a bundle of sticks.

Banning Knowmo makes your forum better

This is brand new information

True story.

Completely true.

I do think we have finally settled the issue that Alex is serviceable but thats all one can hope for. I do think the rest of the team is starting to become exciting enough to get me past the loathing of traveling the SF QB road one more time.

... give it time

I'm excited. I love it when Alex proves to me time and again that he is the weak link, and I love watching his sack-massagers spin like an old 78' long-playing record.

Also, the defense should be pretty balls this year, so there's that.

That's part of the problem. No way Alex smith becomes a franchise elevating qb with the defense and Jamal. Content to check down and hand off.

All 22 should be a gas as usual.

Knowmo is that flaming sack of dog shit left on your door by the douchy frat guy

Doh, that pooch deserves a nice scratch behind the ears and instead, you mock him with a blue disc? Shame on you!

I would agree with this sentiment if it was referring to Alex Smith's opponents' defenses. Because he makes them all better.

People realize the defense allowed Indy to score on drives that basically took a minute of game time right? Didn't make them work for it at all. Just an absolute pathetic display. 13 points scored in a half is more than acceptable. ...especially when you pile on 31 in the first half.

There was plenty of praise to spread around in the first half and early third quarter when the defense was playing lights out and repeatedly putting the offense in favorable scoring situations. That lead was built on both sides of the ball. And then it was lost on both sides of the ball. The team as a whole did not do enough to win. One stop on defense. One sustained drive on offense. Either would have changed the outcome. Neither happened. Question degrees of blame however much you want, but everybody blew it.

Yes.

You just shut that hole in your face! Everything is Alex Smith not being enough!

That's it. Got it????


:p

**** you and your objectivity!

Alex can't improvise outside of the called play whatsoever.

If he were an actor, he'd be an extra.

I disagree. The HUGE difference between the good Chiefs last year and the bad Chiefs is largely related to QB play.

The offense was converting close to 50% of their 3rd downs during their good streak. They were converting something like 30% when they were terrible. I can handle Smith's game management if he extends drives. In the first half of 2013 (despite the winning record) and in the beginning/end of 2014, he was outright terrible at this.

It's pretty amazing how the same offensive line that sucked in the beginning of 2013 improved at the end of 2013. And those same offensive linemen then really, really sucked in the beginning of 2014. Then got better. Then sucked again at the end of the year.

No mention that at the end of 2013, Smith played more aggressively and actually took shots downfield. No mention of the fact that at the end of 2014, teams were blitzing the shit out of him because he never picked up the blitz or hot read. Sure, it would be nice to have an OL that can cover up for the QB. But the QB has to do his part to make he OL better too.

You don't know what you are talking about.
Smith isn't the be all and end all when talking about the offense and results.

When you're talking about dramatic differences in 2013 and 2014 IN SEASON, I'm a lot more inclined to think Smith's consistent play is more a factor vs. trying to claim Geoff Schwartz is a pro bowler who magically turned the 2013 offensive line around. Or that the offensive line suddenly forgot how to play at the end of 2014.

Like I said, the OL needs to play better. The WRs need to be more reliable. BUt there's a dramatic difference also in how Smith approached the Chiefs games where the offense was productive vs. games where they were not. And most of it is linked to his ability to convert third downs and play more aggressively.

Nope.
But Yes 3rd Downs are always key

The OL was learning the new system with everyone else. The schedule had a lot of trash where it was coasting on offense. Fisher was being exposed at RT.
You don't recall the abortion that was McGlynn and then what looked like a hobbled McGlynn? Linkenbach was darn near as bad.

Whether you blitz or not in based more on if you are a running formations and play-action type team or if you are shotgun spread out offense. Still KC was not blitzed a that high of rate and Smith actually handled it well with how the offense was based on getting out the short pass quick anyhow.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nst-the-blitz/

why can't it be both?

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

If these are from ****ing Pro Football Focus, then congratulations. You're posting "grades" from people who have no idea what the hell is going on other than "Hey, that guy got past the other guy" or other brilliant insights such as "That guy blocked him!".

LMAO

So McGlynn is actually pretty good?
Eric Fisher is a Pro Bowler?

Watch out, Sorter. That dude loves Alex Smith more than dolphins love rape.

It's life or death with him.

LMAO.

Good question. For most people, they want one or the other. The OL sucks so Smith gets a free pass. Or Alex Smith should be able to play with that crappy OL. I agree - both need to play better. And I don't think fixing the OL is going to fix Smith. Smith is the guy who needs to fix Smith.

You have no substantial refute to the core point so classic tactic is attack the messenger.

What you imply is the OL wasn't that bad. That is the joke. Only a dimwit would say that. We watched the games. They were a pile of crap.

These 49er ****s are seriously deranged. I've never even heard of a group of fans cherry-picking to prop up an average player whose greatest NFL accomplishments to date are:

1. Getting to the NFCCG
2. Winning 1 playoff game
3. Having the best passer rating over 8 games for one season
4. Losing a playoff game in which he played quite well in

At least Mav acknowledges that "Hey, Alex isn't the greatest. It isn't all his fault but he ****s up".

First, you never provided any information that would make your "core point" valid, you ****ing moron. Here it is again, so you can have another shot.

I've never implied that the OL . They were certainly below average. The difference is, you Alex Smith cock-gobbling psychopath, I understand that there are several variables that go into a disastrous offensive line performance. There are certainly a few that can be attributed to the QB. I can list them if you like or you can just admit that Alex Smith is average.

ROFL

You having nothing more than a roffle emoticon to say in response to Sorter speaks volumes about your football acumen.

Earth to suckup!

I posted info and the guy you defend responds with nothing + an insult.

He is trying to claim the O-Line wasn't bottom 5. THAT speaks volumes about football acumen.

It's part of the reerunation that has infested this place that everything somehow has to be about Alex Smith isn't a top 10 QB.

The 'info' you posted is pretty much meaningless without the context requested by Sorter, so your responses to him after that just make you look like an asshole.

Also, his response to your post with the 'info' was not an insult to you. It was an accurate observation about PFF, which is a steaming pile of shit.

Nonsense.

You can't read. you Alex Smith cock-gobbling psychopath,

That was a later post. It was in response to this post of yours:

Notice, here, that you accuse him of attacking the messenger (you), when he hadn't. You also claim an implication about the offensive line, and toss an insult towards him within that statement.

In other words, dumbass, you started the name calling and personal attacks.

So if someone posts something utterly without value or flat out stupid pat them on the head and say you gave it try, you'll do a good one next time?

You are either a liar or an idiot if you don't admit the O-Line pass blocking really sucked.

Don't do the BS context about 'but Alex Smith X Y Z' It's been hashed out before and those counter-points do not hold up.

Damn. Sorter/Viper just went down like Tyson/Spinks.

Posting something utterly without value? That's what you did when you posted the numbers without a link or any context.

Then why was the the second highest rated passer against the blitz?

Numbers have value. His words are hollow.
You don't like the link or context. Because mostly of a preconceived bias.

My guess is because the offense was set up for the quick pass to begin with. Also Smith is experienced and might see it coming and throws it or he gets sacked or he avoids the rush and then throws it or runs or is sacked. Rarely throws it to the other team.

But that can't be it. Smith isn't any good. He doesn't do anything real QB stuff well.

Less arguing with the 49er trolls, please.

I usually agree but Sorter busting him for pulling numbers from some guy possibly living in his parents basement had me rolling.

You didn't publish a link, and you didn't put the numbers in any context, which was Sorter's point in the first place, you idiot.

First rule of holes

Almost no case to make = Changing the subject

Please support the case the OL being not very bad or it being bad is somehow Alex Smith's fault.