Richard Seymore, I said.LMAO:banghead:

Never have had the problem of not admitting when I'm wrong.
But I don't have to try and lie about shit to gain the respect of people I've never met.
Like getting head in as ally or that I just saw Eric Berry.

You are a joke. The whole joke, and nothing but the joke.

I never lied about anything druggie.

I'm sure you took a picture with your phone. Or do you not own one?

Pics or you are FOFS.

:LOL: No disrespect intended, but I strongly disagree. Bottom line is he weighs more than 325lbs. My back discs, and yours, (and ANY HUMANS) are not genetically structured to carry that much weight. In fact, his discs are no stronger than yours or mine yet he carries much more weight. Weight, and being able to support it, is a huge factor in the recovery of a disc injury. Ask ANY back Dr. It's not so much my experience, as it is dealing with the medial facts of a herniated disc injury that make my statement a very fair assumption.

Love how people think back surgery is no more serious than an ankle sprain here.

I didn't take a pic with him or of him but he took a pic with the owner. If I post the pic will you promise to never post here again?

:clap: Exactly! A voice of reason... Its serious for anyone but especially so for those who weigh a lot.

No way to prove when or where of pic.
I tell you what. Post it up and if it looks legit I will give you a sincere apology, and proclaim myself a cockbag.
How's that?

The place hasn't even been open a week. He was there because 1 of the drinks is named after him and some of the money goes to his charity. Says a lot about him as a person to come take time to check the place out when he could just say yea support my foundation that's cool.

The picture and name of establishment, please, sir.

Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and get into an argument with the "Pft...look at the CP doctors" crowd.

If anyone has ever had a back issue or spoken with back surgeons, they know that this isn't bullshit. My ortho worked for the US Olympic team and does a lot of Mizzou's stuff - the guy knows his shit and I'm pretty comfortable with the information I have from him.

This isn't something he's going to just shake off - the mechanics of the human body won't allow it. And maybe he'll be able to play through/around it. He may even get back to performing at similar levels. He was so good to begin with, even a diminished Poe will still be a top level starter.

But a lot of people are whistling past the graveyard here. "Oh, well this could just keep him fresh...it's probably a good thing" :rolleyes:

I'd have rather he blown out his knee.

The Purple Dong

The Blue Oyster Bar.

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Exactly the case. All those who think his back will heal quickly b/c he is an "elite athlete" are wrong. You cant really expedite the healing process for his type of injury. Its not like you can give him more meds. You can only do so much within a time range. Its more likely that this season will be a wash with him than it is that he'll play at a high level. The reality is, there is a chance he could miss more time than he plays.

As someone else posted, it's pretty safe to write off Poe for the season as being some sort of difference maker on defense.

Back surgery as a 300lb+ man who relies on brute strength to do his job on the field? There's no way he's going to be the type of player he's shown himself to be the last two seasons.

NB4 "durr but Eric Berry beat cancer!" posts.

Durr but Eric Berry beat cancer

Well I disagree that he won't be a difference maker this year. I would almost rather he comes back around week 6 then rush it and be ready early. But even at his 80% he's better than most NT's in the league.

I think for the future it would benefit him greatly to get down to the 320 range as opposed to 345

You speak in alot of absolutes

I think it's a coping mechanism. He's been let down in life so many times that he's adopted the "sky is falling" worldview. It keeps expectations low and ultimately minimizes the pain.

Ya, no...the defense without Poe isn't as good as they are with Poe....its very simple. Doesn't mean they still can be good, but just not as good....there's no way. Can't replace that guy.

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Bastard, you beat me to it.

Our run defense has been crap with Poe....is it possible our run d improves with Poe missing time, similarly to how the pass defense improved...largely without Berry?..

It's possible, but my thinking is simply this: great defenses lose core guys all the time and keep it together (Seahawks, Ravens, 49ers) and with the depth we have on that side of the ball there's no reason not to believe in the "next man up" philosophy. It will sting a little, but Sutton will scheme around it.

Depending on how close to 100% DJ and DeVito are, the run D could actually get worse... he's a major loss no matter how its sliced.

Scary shit.

Yes it is, we finally get a great one and he has a major, potentially permanent problem going into his fourth year... seems like this came outta nowhere, last I'd read his back was feeling great.

This sucks. Depending on how it plays out he is done as a top tier player. Hopefully they get him fixed and can leave a normal life. At his size it wont be easy.

IMO they should try to get him to drop weight the next couple years and play him at LDE like the Ravens used to do with Ngata.

Only beat ya by 3 hours. You were so close, bro.

That would be ideal if we could find our Kelly Gregg.

How do you think Howard will fair at NT? I feel like he will command double teams with his ability to penetrate and beat 1 on 1 blocks, but I'm concerned with his ability to take on those double teams.

The OP states his surgery was successful and is doing great. The rest is just the typical CP knee jerk reactions BS.

though we should kick Sutton square in the nuts for not spotting him enough or at all.

Agreed, but I can understand wanting to keep a 3 down lineman in as much as possible, especially the caliber of Poe. That's why I advocated taking a NT early in the past draft.

Might be the wear and tear of playing so much in college and NFL that big. Think he played close to every snap in college.

Hope just minor.

Maybe this will force Sutton to substitute more and Poe will be fresher later in the season considering he is healthy enough to play.

This defense over achieved last year... the firs 4 games are brutal

1-3

I don't see how this team can rely on Charles this year, OL took a step back... I see his YPC dropping and Smiffy having to put stuff on his shoulder instead of relying on Charles every down- Poe out? An OL that has taken a step backwards

I dunno... It don't look good

Don't worry man...Eric Berry beat cancer.

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So, we can't rely on Charles.

I'm dying to hear why?

He's a Raiders fan trying to troll. Don't bother.

You can rely on a RB like Charles...


.. assuming he isn't old for his position, is playing behind with at least a below average line and hasn't had a track record of missing games over his last few seasons.

I'm hearing out indefinitely now. Has there been a change, or just different speculation?

We should probably just go with "indefinitely".

It's a back issue and he's a big guy. This isn't something you're going to want to rush him back into. It'll have serious consequences for the rest of his life if he re-injures it.

Have we signed Red Bryant yet?

Not just a back issue, but the guy had back surgery. Back surgery is never a good thing and it typically only gets worse. Not looking good for the middle of that defense.

They're so good at back surgery these days Poe will be fine. What did they do make a 1/2" incision?

Sutton will run the nickel most of the time to scheme around losing Poe. I'd be he'll have DeVito and Howard in a lot with Bailey and Cat rotating and one SS between Branch, Berry and maybe sometimes Commings (if he's healthy) lined up to help stop the run.

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Funny that you bring this up bc it's exactly along the lines of what I was thinking last night. We're in nickel more than half the time anyways. I don't think losing Poe is going to hurt as much as we all initially felt. Hopefully he gets back soon though bc we're obviously better off with him, and maybe by the time he's back Cat and Howard solidify themselves and we have a great rotation going forward.

How would going with a lighter formation compensate for losing a 345 lbs NT?

Bc we don't have another 345 lb NT? :facepalm:

I think it just depends on who we are playing. I would play more of a 4-3 against the Texans bc they will most likely try to run. And Mallett scares nobody.

Vs Denver I think we should start out with the nickel and if not switch to the original 3-4 base with Bailey,DeVito and Howard.

When we run a 4-3 we might as well use Berry/Branch as our third LB if they aren't confident in Ramik.

Our defense was trash against the run with a 345 in the middle. Now that we've lost him you want to take a defensive lineman off the field?

With as often as we move a safety into the box in nickel formations, you're talking about taking a DL and LB off the field in favor of a CB and S.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about when we have 4 down linemen on 2nd and long type situations. Sutton gets pretty creative with his formations based on the situations. If it's 2nd & 8/9 having an extra S like Branch would help against the pass while not killing us against the run. You still have 4 down linemen.

Explain to me these possible formations and their respective personnel

Sorter needs to make an appearance..

Throw up the Bat-signal

Our ILB's were the biggest issue with our run defense. They couldn't tackle, read a play or shed blockers. Look at the Oakland game in Oakland where we gave up the long TD run.

And as much as I like Parker and Abdullah in pass pro, they aren't good vs the run. And Kurt Coleman was a tackle missing machine.

I would expect getting DeVito and DJ back, along with a good run stuffer like Branch will help us become better.

Not saying we will be top 10 against the run, but I think they could be decent.

I don't think he realizes that the four "down linemen" aren't all defensive linemen. Unless he's advocating taking Houston and Hali/Ford off the field in favor of Catapano and Howard... Which actually sounds like something he might suggest.

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Essentially this with Branch/Berry instead of Coleman. Houston and Tamba would be standing up but on the line. DeVito/Howard would be in Poe's spot.

Dude. That's a light nickel defense with a safety replacing the second ILB. 2-3-6. That's two defensive linemen (Bailey and Poe), three LBs (Houston, Hali, and Mauga) with 6 defensive backs (one of which, Abdullah, is in the box acting as a LB).

How in God's name do you think running such a light formation will help us compensate for losing Poe?

Completely forgot to mention DJ instead of Owens with Abdullah playing nickel/safety depending on the offensive formation. It doesn't matter whether Houston/Hali are standing or with their hand in the dirt it's still basically the same formation.

Your rose-colored glasses are extra rosey this evening.

You're essentially talking about replacing 345 lbs of man-child with 305 lbs of meh and saying we'll be no worse for wear.

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If Peyton sees a front 6 consisting of Ford-Devito-Howard-Houston backed up by DJ and Branch, he's going to check to a run and gash us for 6-8 yards per carry.

And if we cheat up Berry/Abdullah/Parker into the box for support, he'll check to a pass and burn our rookie CBs.

It'll be a bloodbath.

Did you read? I clearly was saying this is a formation we can use in situations like 2nd & long. I still believe we have to have Bailey/Howard/DeVito, Bailey/Howard/Cat, and Bailey/DeVito/Cat in our base 3/4.

No offensive coordinator in the league, except, coincidentally, our own maybe, is going to throw out running plays on 2nd and 8.

2nd and 8 is just as run-friendly as 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 4. Most guys are going to try to make 3rd down more manageable.

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Here's the deal: we had a great pass defense last season and our run defense left a lot to be desired. Yes, our run defense took hits with three of our best run defenders missing most of the season and we run nickel formations more than most any team in the league..

But when you lose your 345 lbs plug, you don't run more light formations to compensate.

I understand that but the formation I was talking about can stop the run in that situation (the point is to dare them to) This is the formation I was talking about now that I have a minute:

Gaines, Houston, Bailey, Howard/DeVito, Hali, Smith/Peters

Branch/Berry, Mauga/Wilson, DJ

Abdullah(on the slot if necessary)

Parker

It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch.

I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long.

Berry/Branch & DJ are not 4-3 OLB's, and in case you missed last season, Mauga cannot get off a block. DeVito coming off injury, and Bailey not much of a 3 tech beef.. I dunno man. I dont see many double teams required there which mean mauga/DJ/Berry will be fighting off lineman all day. DJ made a LIVING knifing through because good 1/0 techs require a double team.

Only positive I can see is I like Houston & Tamba/Ford as a wide 9 DE. Much rather play a odd front with them though.

Just my $.02

For the 100th time this is not a base formation. Just situational. I would never expect Berry/Branch to play OLB for more than a few snaps. Devito/Howard would still be lining up at NT. Also, DJ played 4-3 OLB for half of his career.

DeVito was top 10 on PFF in 2013?

yeah im late to the party. Im not reading 16 pages.

I'd rather have catapano @ DE and have houston on the line in some sort of over front. I'd rather walk berry into the box as a 8th than have him in as the 7th. Only way I'd take your scenario is as a sub package when the O is showing 311 or posse personnel.

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Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:

6'1" 323 lbs
10 5/8 hands (damn)
5.18 40 yd dash
36 bench press reps

Very strong dude

Put up the DJ's Left Nut signal!

Yes

Practice squad guy? Really?

Losing Poe sucks. He won't play until October.