Please, by all means, elaborate

Please do. I have no idea what this argument is about...

I predicted Russell would get 5/110 with 80 and he got 4/88 with 60 and somehow that makes me an idiot

And this is not an extension, right? This is a new deal?

I didn't specify, so apparently that makes me even dumber. You know, because every QB contract isn't an extension or anything.

Slow your ****ing roll egor, I'm honestly asking. Was he a FA this offseason?...

he didn't, he got 5/88 with 60.

This was the final year of his rookie deal

Based on this I'd guess it's a 2 year deal asking him to "prove it" that the team can opt out of in year 3.

Just me guessing.

Are the years and guaranteed money correct here?...

There is nobody in the world who would have taken a comment about a new contract to have included the last year of the current deal. Anyone pretending otherwise is flat out lying. The new contract/extension/whatever talk was 100% in reference to additional years and additional money beyond the current contract. He got four additional years. He's getting 88 million additional dollars. That's $22,000,000 per year for four years. Hootie guessed $22,000,000 per year for five years. If anything, that would have been a better deal for Seattle because adding a fifth year to the contract would have been the most expensive year and likely would have made the extension more like 5/$115,000,000.

No. The extension was 4/88.

Yeah, not really. I was pretty sure he'd be back but I didn't expect this year. I am not sure that he's needed(at his contract level) with how the rest of the D has been playing but perhaps they can start to use him in smarter ways going forward. He does shoot run gaps nicely which was very much missing last year. Same with DJ.

Here you guys go, lacanfora broke it all down.


http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...n-year-by-year

Yep. People are just trying to spin it.

Called it.

It's a "prove it or lose it" deal...

So this is just another "close, but not EXACTLY spot on" ripping of a contract prediction?

Feh...

...by people who predicted Wilson would be traded or not re-signed, no less.

I could see a trade if it happened before the draft...

:spock:

he got $60M guaranteed

so if Russell flat out falls on his dick, he'll get $60M no matter what. He got $31M just to sign his name.

This isn't a "prove it or lose it" deal. It's a massive deal. $60M guaranteed. Rodgers got $53M on his extension. (Note, extension. Apparently you have to mention it as an extension otherwise you're a moron).

What they mean is ... by 2017 or 2018, if Russell develops the way they think he will with this contract (into a top 2, top 3 NFL QB), they'll have to extend him, again, with a hoard of new money, again, before the 2018 season.

Or they can renegotiate to make it more affordable to trade him...

Trade a top 2 or 3 QB?

dude, Russell Wilson was NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER going to be traded. They could have offered two drafts for the guy and Seattle still would have said no.

It was typical negotiation bullshit by both sides.

You know, the same kind of thing that happened with us and Houston.

Only ... we're talking franchise QB here. Franchise QB's don't get traded. It's not possible. It was never a realistic scenario. Hilariously, we had a conglomerate of folk who wouldn't give up two 1st round picks for the guy. You know, a franchise that hasn't had a franchise QB since Len Dawson.

Smart fan base.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-31-7-million/

So only 31 mil is fully guaranteed, if I'm reading that right

No he didn't.

He got 31.7 fully guaranteed.

The rest is only guaranteed for injury.

He'll see all of it. The only way they can get out of it is cutting him before the contract expires and they're not going to do that.

This mother****er is going to get $20 mil on August 10th then the final $11 mil of his signing bonus in April.

Just like that, he goes from a net worth of maybe $2 mil to tens of millions.

Yep.

It's still far off from 60 guaranteed. Even farther from 80...

That's technically true. I mean, they could theoretically cut him for non injury reasons and take a $25,000,000 cap hit if he suddenly forgets how to play football.

LMAO

You guys are seriously arguing over the minutiae.

Everyone is a little right, no one is 100% correct. Let's just move on.

And he'll be a hundred millionaire before his 30th birthday.

I suppose. I think QB is the one position you can pretty much guarantee won't ever be cut. Unless he goes full Geno Smith, which I highly doubt.

The article says as much, too. The only thing I could see happening is Russell doesn't live up to his hype and he plays out the contract through 2019 rather than getting a brand new extension (a la Tony Romo) before the 2018 season (which I'll predict will happen).

I think his 2018 extension will be something like 5/130/90

Of course, I truly think Wilson will be thought of as a top 2 NFL QB by the end of this season.

30 to 50 MILLION is minutiae in your mind? Damn man what's your net worth?

would be different if it was 5/88 and not 4/88

I was off by a year, I was dead on with money. Unless you think Russell won't be in the NFL in 2020.

It is actually 5-89.5 you weren't even close in guarantees unless 50 MILLION off is close in your mind

Quoted for JASONSAUTO, who is a ****ing moron.

for the 19th time ...

AARON RODGERS SIGNED AN EXTENSION ...
ALEX SMITH SIGNED AN EXTENSION ...
TONY ROMO SIGNED AN EXTENSION ...

The only ****ing QB that is a "franchise" QB that didn't sign an extension in the last 5 years is Joe Flacco, and that's because he ****ing sucked, and Baltimore was going to move on from him before his miracle postseason.

I was referring to the scope of this entire silly debate.

Technically what you, Dane and Cochise are arguing is correct, but you're also playing dumb in an effort to "win" the argument. No one ever discusses contracts with the inclusion of the final year of the old contract. We discuss things purely with new money in mind. And Hootie's prediction, though technically wrong, was actually pretty close, especially if you extrapolate by adding another year, which they could have easily done.

NB4 BUT THEY DIDNT SO HOOTIES RONG!!!11!!!

How in the **** are people even arguing this? I should learn how to be a bigger person, but I'm stubborn. I mean, what the ****.

I'd agree and be sure to sign him if it were my team.

People forget that Brady was a game manager his first 3 years. They won 5 playoff games by 7 pts or less.

EVEN LAST YEAR Brady threw for 11ty billion yards in the SB and won by how many pts?...

Who cares what someone assumes what a five year deal WOULD been?

You were also 50 MILLION off in guaranteed money, which you were sure crowning about earlier.

And his ****ing deal is a 5 year 89.5 million dollar deal. This year isn't even the same as it was going to be money-wise, base or cap hit.


They tore up his old deal and made a new 5 year deal. He was going to make 1.5 million, now it is 700k with a 6.something cap hit.

It's a win-win.

Wilson will definitely get his money and Seattle can restructure later on and trade if they have to.

I don't think they will and I think Wilson will continue to evolve into the real deal...

Basically all this means to me is that the Seahawks aren't as sold on Wilson as Hootie seems to think they should be

I'm just going to throw this out there, because I know this is what will happen:

Before the 2018 season, Russell Wilson is going to sign another contract [extension]. It's going to be for 5 years, $130 million with $90 million guaranteed and a $40 million dollar signing bonus. It is going to take on 5 years to his EXISTING deal which is set to expire after 2019.

Russell is going to be a Seahawk for life. He is going to win at least 1 more Super Bowl. And he's going to make a metric shit ton of money. This new deal was a brilliant deal for him because now, no matter what, he has $60M dollars (because they aren't going to cut Russell Wilson any time soon). But more than likely, this deal gives him more leverage to extend his deal even further after 2017.

please give me an example of this happening

who's deal was ever "torn" up?

They are big money sold for 4 years of hit.

They can tailor that by play if he $3its the bed after 2 or 3 years...

what in the **** are you talking about?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/92...cording-source

Rodgers signed AN EXTENSION for 5/110/62.5 guaranteed according to that link
Wilson signed AN EXTENSION for 4/88/60 guaranteed according to what I read

I guess the Packers aren't sold on Rodgers.

Rodgers is 5 years older. Huge difference.

Gee, that sounds kinda familiar, eh?!

Yes, that was his 3rd contract.

Wilson will hit Rodgers' age when Rodgers' signed that MASSIVE extension when his FIRST extension (he just signed) runs out. Odds are, before the 2018 seasons, Wilson will sign his SECOND extension and I think it'll be along the lines of 5/130/90 that will tack on to his current deal that runs through 2019.

You see how this works?

I don't think we can make that determination.

I'm not sure what the Seahawk's ultimate plan is, but every contract extension they've completed with big name guys since their Super Bowl win has been for 4 years.

Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, Kam Chancellor, Russell Wilson. All of those guys are either elite or close to it and none got more than 4 years on an extension.

OMG ALL QB'S SIGN EXTENSIONS AND DON'T HAVE THEIR DEALS TORN UP!?!?!? OMG! BREAKING NEWS!

You can't reneg on your rookie deal anymore.

I'm guessing that's why you're catching $3it...

Oh FFS :facepalm:

Rausch is an idiot that doesn't know anything about football...

I don't ****ing understand?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN WHICH CONTRACT IT IS?

are you saying Wilson should have gotten more than Aaron Rodgers because he's younger? His SECOND contract is set to expire in time for him to get ANOTHER massive contract, you know, right around the same age as Aaron's THIRD contract?

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ****ING IDIOTS TRYING TO ARGUE?

OMFG

YOU GUYS ARE ****ING STUPID

There are very strict limits on rookie deals...

Haha hootie. Clearly, when you said 5/120, you were including next year's 1.5 million in that figure. You thought the extension part would be 4 years for 118.5 million. Obviously you meant he would make $29,625,000 per year. It was a strangely specific number to predict, though.

my head is going to explode ... between watching the Blue Jays just ****ing rack up hit, after hit, after hit, after hit and then arguing with these dipshits about the Wilson extension, you know, where he was paid like Aaron Rodgers but somehow since it was his first extension instead of his second extension there is a difference because well, I have no idea

...I want to punch something

My question: did he say he had a source or inside info?

Was this just a guess on his part?

If it was I don't see the point...

my post was (that I forgot I had even made) this:

"I don't see how Russell won't get 5/110 with 80 guaranteed."

So, honestly, I was dead wrong. To the tune of 1 year. Moron, I am.

because, if you break it down, 110/5 = 22. 88/4 = 22.

somehow though, since I was so close to being right, Dane decided he was going to add in Russell's current final year on his rookie deal to make it look like he was making Alex Smith money instead of Aaron Rodgers money while ignoring the fact both Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers signed extensions on their 2nd deals as well (Rodgers 5 year extension was 5/110/63 but added on to his existing 2 year contract turning his 22 in new money to around 17.5 if you add the 2 existing years like he wanted to do with Russell)

So he was arguing Wilson using the last year of his rookie deal while comparing it to NEW MONEY ONLY on Rodgers/Smith extensions while ignoring the extension part of their deals.

It was totally ridiculous ... and somehow people are still trying to call me the moron.

No. Dane made some ridiculous prediction. Hootie predicted he'd re-sign for 5/120. Hootie was correct about the fact that he re-signed and correct about the $ per year. Wilson got the exact same deal, only it was for 4 years instead of 5...therefore Dane tried to declare victory even though he keeps making predictions about young star QBs being traded or not resigned.

It makes no sense. Hootie was really, really close. Dane was laughably wrong...again.

White Knighting Hootie?

LMAO

That's the funniest shit I've ever seen.

Furthermore, I made ZERO predictions about Russell Wilson's contract, ****tard.

I still don't think they even realize what they're doing. Nobody is dumb enough to knowingly only count the additional money and years to the Rodgers extension while including the final year of Wilson's rookie contract when comparing the deals, are they?

One more thing, you butt****ing little punk, Russell Wilson has a 5 year contract with the Seattle Seahawks with a maximum value of $87.5 million dollars.

He does not have a five year deal worth $110 million dollars, yet your miniscule brain can't cope with that fact.

Now, go **** yourself with your wife's biggest dildo, Dildo.

Are you going to call JA and Cochise white knights for taking your side?

What is Russell's current deal? Huh, what is it?

Dumb****ing ****.

So when Rodgers got his extension, it was really a 7 year contract because he still had 2 years left on the prior deal, right?

I don't have a side, you moronic twit.

Russell is playing on a five year, $87.5 million maximum value contract.

Period, end of story.

Who gives a flying **** if it's an extension? The difference between an "extension" and "new" contract is the simple fact that the contract didn't expire.

The term "extension" is absolutely irrelevant, especially with the introduction of a singing bonus and guarantees.

Both parties came to an agreement to trash the existing agreement and create a new one. "Extension" is meaningless.

You didn't answer the question.

Nobody thought Hootie was talking about anything other than new years and new money. Not you, not me, not anyone. You're a liar who can't handle being wrong regardless of how much experience you have with it.

You're intentionally being obtuse, Dane.

So answer the question about Rodgers. He did the same thing.

What question?

The only thing that matters is contract length and contract value.

That's it. All the other shit is team and agent driven PR.

Who cares? All the matters is contract length and contract value, yet you and Hootie continue to argue semantics.

Keep showing your ass, Dane. You always do.