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Why have we started off poorly the last 2 years and lost to terrible teams with shitty QB's?
















Andy Reid

I'm shocked that when we face a defense playing at an all time great level, everything doesn't "work".

Sometimes I think in reality, some people are just morons.

What shitty QB's have we lost to this year?

Jay Cutler.

We should not have lost that game.

Team is on path to get somewhere close to 8-8 and will probably finish the year with like a 6-4 run. The narrative is all but set for "Just a few key additions and some good drafting, and this is easily a team that can go deep in the playoffs."

We're in the middle of rehashing the 2004 season.

Because Chiefs.

The Bears aren't very good, but Cutler isn't shitty. Another misinformed idea around here.

And yes, we should have not lost that game.

We've beaten 3 terrible QB's. How can you possibly see this as progress?

At the very least, this team needs a new DC, a new play caller and a new QB.

No, I'm good.

Well, for ****s sake...forgive me for using the wrong term. I really dont GAF what it's called, I dont want the QB that plays for a college school that is the 'best athlete' on the field that typically bails out his team with a scramble, pull the ball down and run for the TD, cause that shit doesnt work in the NFL. I would prefer a QB who plays in a system and in a way that works in the NFL...those types of QB's that have to use their teammates rather than their other worldly speed to win games have more success in the league called the NFL.

I love the whole argument "Well of course things don't go well when you go against good defenses, duh!"






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Isn't that the whole point of trading for a veteran QB and getting an established HC ... to mitigate the advantage of an opponent having a superior defense?

This all or nothing attitude is simplistic and idiotic.

There's a huge difference between not being able to score on a great D and your whole offense looking like total dog$#it.

It doesn't require a great D for us to look lost on the field.

But for the half-full people we don't face a legit D for the rest of the year after Denver...

Do you know this for a fact or is it your conjecture? I'm cynical, but that's pretty out there.

Bridgewater did none of those things. He was a pure pocket passer at Louisville

Bridgewater ran for 170 yards.....in his entire college career.

And this is why they don't pan out anymore.

No one is willing to let a 1st round QB sit for more than one year, if they even get that. No team will put in the time necessary to groom them...

You aren't going to consistently move the ball against a defense as good as the Broncos, no?

Which is why this is the perfect year to take one. Smith isn't going anywhere for another year (barring major injury). Might as well draft one and let him sit for a year.

With one of the worst 3rd down conversion percentages in the league?

Probably not...

Any year for the last 2 would have been the perfect year.

Our only attempt at QB in the draft (in three offseasons) was a 5th rounder and an UDRFA...

Well, did we move the ball against the Broncos defense this year?

I'd be curious to see where we stand in line with their other opponents in terms of offensive production.

The 2004 Chiefs started pretty terrible and then rattled off a bunch of wins in route to a 7-9 record.

Instead of taking a QB, Vermeil / Carl opted to make a win-now draft pick by getting DJ because the defense was so bad that a rookie could start at MLB.

Yeah, sure, we still have DJ, but they could have had Aaron ****ing Rodgers sitting the bench for at least one season and possibly two. The team drafted for a defensive need because the year prior the team was 7-9 but won more games than they lost to close the year out after the halfway mark. People were scoreboard watching at the end of November hoping enough other outcomes could go KC's way so they could get into the playoffs with an 8-8/9-7 record though they couldn't get the job done in the last two weeks of the season.

The same shit is happening now with people looking at the schedule going "You knowwwwww, the only good team the Chiefs have to play is Denver.. the AFC is pretty shitty this year... 8-8 might actually get you in the playoffs, and the Chiefs can easily go 7-1 to end the year with a 9-7 record..."


Two wins against absolute dumpster fire teams, one win against a one-dimensional team missing the key piece to why that one-dimension to the team is good and five losses -two to actual AFC title contenders and one to an NFC title contender, one loss on the road to a team that is about equal to KC and a HOME loss to a dumpster fire team.

It's almost comical that people are hoping to back into the playoffs by being just slightly less shitty than the rest of a shitty conference if it weren't so ****ing predictable.

And he had over 200 yds last year for the Vikings....go figure. The one game I recall watching him last year he ran quite a bit. I havent watched him this year.

Great...sorry, didnt catch any of his games at Louisville.

Im sorry, I'm not going to bother reading all that. Did you answer my question about whether or not your version of the 'narrative' was your conjecture or not? I tend to think it is.

With a QB in his 9th year in the league, an offensive-minded HC who's been to a SB and several conference championship games, a supposedly great WR, a good young TE and a hall of fame running back there should be no excuses.

Not against Denver and not against Green Bay yet here were are.

If you remember one of our scoring drives was kept alive by 3 Denver penalties and one of our TD's came on a defensive TD.

So we scored one TD we weren't gifted on offense, at home, WITH Jamal Charles...

We put up the 2nd most yards against them with 314 total yards. The Vikings actually put up the most with 325.

We had 167 passing yards (5th out of 7 teams). Most was the Lions with 262. The least was 50 from Green Bay.

We had 147 rushing yards.....the most out of the 7 teams they've played. 28 from the Lions was the least.

Gave up the most turnovers out of the 7 teams.....obviously.

Go figure what?

Yeah....you didn't watch any of his games....but go ahead and continue talking about him like you have.

They're not winning more than nine games. They'll lose at Denver, at Baltimore and at Oakland. 8-8 with a good chance they'll get swept by Oakland and go to 7-9.

Meh...only thing I can remember from that game was that KC lost it moreso than Denver won. Especially after going up 14.

I'm going with 6-10.

I didnt think I needed your permission, but thanks, Boss.

Supposedly great WR? So I'm guessing your on the side that he isn't an improvement over Bowe, but thats a separate argument.

It took 5 turnovers for their to be any semblance of an excuse and a loss that day. Blame that on the coaching staff, players, etc however, but from the eye test, the Chiefs had a conference contender beat at home. Of course, this doens't match your natural tendency here at CP, so spin it however I guess.

Either way, at some point you've got to start winning said games, but the Chiefs haven't so it is what it is.

Ok...I dont have any argument with that. I'm not willing to assign some sort of narrative or motive in that regard. I was curious if you had some sort of inside information in regard to behind the scenes because I dont really believe the 'butts in seats' meme.

10 and 6. 5th seed.


Put your tenure here at CP on it.

We're beating everyone but the Broncos? Or do you have us beating the Broncos and losing to someone else?

Ha! That's pretty optimistic! Love it...

Yep. Just ask the Titans...

Vince Young = Bad
Marcus Mariota = Good

I think they learned the difference (And their original owner died).

The Donks have only played 2 winning teams all year - the Vikings and Packers.

I don't think they've given up 3 TD's all year...

Oh, I think Clark wants to win he just has no clue how...

Maclin is a superior athlete to Bowe and has put up better career statistics, but the team is 3-5 halfway through the year with Maclin when they were 5-3 through last season with Bowe.

Gee, funny how getting Maclin hasn't translated to more wins because he doesn't have the benefit of being flanked by DeSean Jackson or Jordan Matthews.

And KC had Denver beat but for those five turnovers.. but let's ignore 0-7 on 3rd downs. That doesn't hint at anything wrong with the offense at all, does it. Especially when that was indicative of a trend that spanned multiple games.

ROFL.


And no.

The problem is A) he's the only threat at WR on the field and B) a QB that won't go to him deep when he's wide open.

Stupid decisions by the HC led directly to two turnovers and 14 points. That's the game.

Kneel the ****ing ball and go in to the half with the lead.
Even if you don't do that you kneel the ball at the end of the game and give yourself a chance in OT.

He's the owner...of course he has no clue how. That's what your GM and HC are for. It's ultimately up to Clark to find the best football minds he can and give them what they need to succeed. To date, I think he has done that.

Piloi was considered 'the guy' and he went and got him. He realized that was a cluster**** and then replaced him with another regime and changed the reporting structure.

I'm not hating on Clark for the fact it's not working out...so far to me, he's done his job.

Oh no, I thinkk theyll go full chiefs and do what discuss said but I think it'll be more chiefstacular. Lose the last weekend to go 8 and 8 or something and miss the olayoffs.

The only time a HC should ever be told "no matter what you have a job next year" is after winning a SB.

Hold on, no no no. You don't get to use wins and losses as a player statistic. That's hypocritical at best after all the smith blasting you've spewe'd towards those idiots.

You saying it hasn't translated to more wins has zero correlation to Maclin's effect on the offense. Faulty logic.

Maclin is one pace for what, over 1000 yards and 5 tds?

Through the first 7 games.....Maclin has:

42 receptions
566 yards
2 TDs

Through the first 7 games of last season....Maclin had:

39 receptions
632 yards
6 TDs

His catches were also further down the field. Philly isn't afraid to air it out with any QB behind center...

He's only played 6 games

... saw that one coming....


No argument that those decisions directly lead to the game being lost, but 0-7 on 3rd down. Again. Isn't the job of supposedly one of the best offensive-minded HCs in the league with his handpicked veteran QB with almost a decade of starting experience joined up with a playmaking WR, TE and Hall of Fame RB supposed to offer some sort of edge against great defenses?

I mean the Chiefs' defense was pretty good last year but an offensive minded HC in Arians managed to get a win with Drew Stanton at QB, and Denver had no trouble sweeping last year either.

So which is it: are good defenses invulnerable or is it within the realm of possibility to expect your coaching staff and the offensive skill players you have available to make plays and negate the advantages a good defense offers.

Just like the last Colts playoff game they'll find a way to make us puke, only it'll be in a completely new and even more disgusting way...

He was brought in to help the Chiefs win games.


That. Hasn't. Happened.

Ok.....so through 6 games.

We. Still. Have. Alex. Smith.

.. sigh

JFC how stupid is Discuss? How can anyone possibly take Bowe over Maclin when Bowe hasn't even stepped on a field for one down this year?

For Christ sakes

woohoo! straight out bitching for another year and a half!

QB, HC, and OL all failing at their jobs to help make each other worse collectively than any one alone...

That was my expectation...

Again, that's the expectation.

The reality was hour HC made two HUGE coaching errors, Alex didn't play well, and our line was p00p. Each failure by one made it more difficult for the others.

The play calling was also bad. Just think - if we would have run the ball 4 more times than we did the time wouldn't have been on the clock for Denver to come back...

Winning cures all.

Something has to change for us to win games.

No change = same results...

It's not *taking* one over other. The same reason why Maclin isn't winning us any more games when it matters this year is the same reason Bowe wasn't winning games when it mattered last year.

Bowe was the only credible deep threat last year because there was nobody else on the roster capable of drawing deep coverage -and he's not even a deep threat.

Maclin *is* a deep threat but lo and behold the team isn't winning games because there's nobody else on the roster capable of drawing deep coverage.

.. just like I pointed out six months ago..

Yup, 6-10. They'll split with SD, lose to the Broncos again and get swept by the Raiders. And they'll drop another one they should win because Chiefs.

Agreed. I did the same.

You don't get how truly terrible the Chargers D is right now.

On the other hand I wouldn't be shocked if the Raiders swept us...

You're no different than those here pointing to Alex smith as a winner with this argument.

Wins and losses are team statistics. Using them to justify or discredit individual play is pointless.

And no one is saying the things you're trying to point out as things you "called" earlier in the year, so let's let that go.

Well then, why was Justin Houston given a contract extension?

How many "deep threats" does one need in an offense?

I live here. Im fully aware of the Charger's problems. But our offense isn't exactly prolific and they have the #1 passing offense in the NFL...and our D still gives up big plays in the passing game.

Flowers looks like shit.

I am not suggesting we tank. But if we are holding on to tradeable assets we don't plan to keep In 2016 all so we can win 8 games instead of 6, that's part of the reason we never get anywhere.

A few years ago, I strongly pushed for working for comp picks. A great move because we were really tight on payroll and we'd have a lot of huge contracts going off the books. Doing that this offseason would be stupid. It's a shame but I could see the chiefs doing virtually nothing this offseason in order to salvage comp picks for guys like Sean Smith and chase Daniel and knile. I really hope there wasn't a true offer on the table because it really feels like to me we held on to our chips to salvage an imaginary 2015 playoff run.

I'd like to agree, but Ned and Dayton were doing the right things in the MLB to get it done, and it worked. Unfortunately those same things don't work in the NFL. To me the key difference is that there is no real "farm team" (system) in the NFL. And what people do in the NFL is usually to draft a young QB that fits your system and build a team around him. I know they thought they struck gold with Alex, but it looks like a bust. He might have been better had he not have his dick shoved in the dirt because they failed to give him a decent O-line, but he's traumatized nonetheless. So I don't think this coaching staff can get it done because the the owner sets a tone that' not consistent with building an awesome team.

I wish I could be more optimistic, but the parts he needs to have in place just aren't there, and don't appear to be getting there in time to make it work.

This this this this this.

At this point, Dorsey and the Chiefs would be foolish to let Sean Smith walk. The defense has improved substantially the past few weeks and Smith has been a playmaker.

Jets traded a 2nd round pick and 3 JAG's to move up from 17 to 5. We can trade up without selling the farm, especially if there are 3 QB's and one is still there after the top 5

The Chiefs will have some interesting choices to make. They have Sean Smith, Berry, Poe, Howard coming up for contract this offseason. DJ and Hali... I think we lose them.

I previously supported overloading on defense with Alex Smith at QB. But if you want a guy like Aaron Murray or any of the projected first round QBs to succeed , do you start sacrificing some defensive chips so you can invest in offensive talent like an OL?

Chase
DJ
Hali
Knile

Do we re-sign them in 2016? If the answer is no then good chance we backed off of trade chips so we can make a run in 2015. I'll let that sink in for a little bit.

The alternative is that we get comp picks out of these guys. But that only works if we choose not to bring in any new free agents next season and we'd have to wait an extra year to get any benefit there. And that assumes that Hali or DJ don't retire.

The Chiefs will have $40 million in cap space, without restructuring anyone, in 2016. They'll have plenty of room to sign whomever they want.

Knile Davis can hit the road, Hali will be worth half of 2015 ($3 million) IF he doesn't retire and DJ's not going anywhere and will play for less next year as well.

It's pretty silly to worry about such things in early November.

Dj has been pretty awesome this year, especially coming back from injury.

Even more impressive has been berry.

Surely not the 3rd round draft steal Knile Davis.

Nothing we do matters next year if we don't have a drafted QB.