When did Tinkerbell sub in?

I was hoping that Ford could step up this year. That play where the RB bounced to the outside to beat Ford around the corner was bad. He still showed the occasional flash at getting pressure but really did nothing otherwise. :shake:
I guess you could say that I'm disappointed. If he doesn't start to show something then it's looking like he's a bust.

Yes....Bray needs to be sent packing...I have aome hope for Murray

He looks like a solid situational pass rusher.

That's pretty much all he was good at in college and all we should expect...

So i fast forwarded thru the first half last night after the kids went to bed.

OL looks awesome. Excited to see that.

TE is a strength. Hill got off the line against Sherman, the hype is real.

Defense got gashed a bit, Wilson is the same "catch" tackler he was in college. He probably has a place but I'm not sure he's a starter. March is ferocious a d needs to be next to dj.

Ford looks like the same guy he was last year.

I quit watching at halftime, have to catch the rest later

I think you're right.

I thought the same thing. I expected him to show better. Murray looked like the better QB to me.

That stood out to me, too. He looks huge. :eek:

To me this is like the Fisher thing.

It's not his fault we drafted him no 1.

Everyone wants to put "but he was our no 1 pick!" label on people. It's not the player's fault where they were drafted. It's not the player's fault there were better options on the board when he was drafted.

Hate the GM/HC - not the player.

And I think Ford can be a top pass rushing OLB in this D. If he takes Hali's role he'll be fine. It's not like Hali does much other than rush the passer (yes, I understand Hali is solid vs. the run.)

He's grown into a perfect 3-4 DE.

I'm still in shock that we are debating the third string quarterback. I still have PTSD from that hot mess of a quarterbacking crew that Haley had to choose from.

We can argue just how good our legit-starting-QB is but we do have one.

We can argue just how good our b/u QB is but we do have a legit b/u.

I guess we can argue 3rd QB but...meh...whatever.

Bray is never going to be the starter for this team.

At this point, I'm more concerned about what we would have if Smith went down for 6 weeks - then our #3 becomes our #2. If Foles gets dinged for a couple of drives; needs some work done on his non-throwing hand or something, Bray's dumb ass will chuck a few into traffic and we'll either get turnovers or 3 and outs for our trouble.

Murray could keep the wheels on.

The QB that takes the reigns after Smith is either Foles or isn't on this roster at all. That being the case, Bray is well on his way to playing his way off the team. It was a piss poor effort and did little but confirm all the concerns people have had about him since his college days.

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Yeah, bray doesn't look any different than he did 3 years ago.

Pass.

Yeah, I'm starting to sour on him pretty quickly.

I still don't think he's been put where the Chiefs have always wanted to put him; the weak side OLB. But we're seeing more and more that it's really his only chance to succeed long-term.

Maybe he's only ever a situational pass rusher but the football smarts just don't seem to be there. So the way to put him in a position to succeed is to make the game simpler for him. Honestly, it doesn't get a hell of a lot simpler than what Tamba Hali is doing at ROLB. See QB, hit QB. Perhaps he can settle into that role but it's looking more and more like we're in trouble if we need him to step up at the strong side.

It's probably also worth noting that Moses made most of his noise from the weak side, as did Nicolas. If we want an apples to apples comparison (and frankly, we need one at this point), I think the staff needs to get those guys more reps at game speed on the strong side.

I still think Dee can be a good pass rusher even though his run defense seems awful. He never got a chance to rush this game. Wilson kept doing quick 3 step drops and the ball was out in 2 seconds.

He had one play where he had a chance and he flashed the bull rush and got his hand up. Even if he's a situational pass rusher I'll be happy bc we need that pressure so bad.

I was very impressed with Moses and Nicolas and want to see them more. Nicolas is getting work with the 2's today so that's great. Hope he keeps it up.

You're the only other person to bring up the WOLB vs. SOLB thing with Ford. CP really needs to learn the difference.

Just a few offensive notes to toss in there:

Ehinger looked savvy but undersized. He played a more polished game than I expected, but he's going to get stood up a lot out there. In the run game, I especially worry about guys getting into his pads, getting him upright due to a lack of functional strength and then just blowing him backwards to destroy plays. He showed promise but he also showed the one thing that I just don't think can be fixed in-season and that's the lack of NFL strength. I know we're excited about continuity, but I think I'd prefer Fulton right now. He'd a road grader and while he's not going to be an asset in the stretch plays, etc... that we run, he'll be a better straight ahead blocker and I think he's less likely to get detonated in pass pro.

I worry that Hill's on his way to that nasty middle where we do things specifically to get the ball into his hands that are not within the flow of the offense. It's the kind of thing that made McCluster a liability even when he was effective and I believe DAT would've been the same thing. Andy likes having a gimmick player but then screws up offensive flow with those one-route offensive plays where everyone else just kinda watches or blocks. If Hill is going to be a true difference maker, it needs to be as the X and I don't think Reid envisions that, at least not based on his early usage.

Nicolas earned it, no doubt. Like Ehinger, I think he's going to struggle with basic football strength issues, but there's some talent to work with there.

And yeah, Ford wasn't given a chance to rush because that's just the way it often goes with the strong side. It really makes what Houston's able to do that much more incredible because it isn't as though Houston's just attacking downfield every play. His pass rush productivity is just off the scale.

Expecting that from Ford is nuts. But if you gave him the number of pass rush reps that Hali gets, and in situations where that's really all he has to focus on, I think you'd get past some of that indecision that you see from him.

He really does look rough when asked to do too much.

DJ did you watch DJ White? I was very impressed with him. He had a couple passes defended and threw a WR to the ground.

I think White could see snaps at nickel this year. Really like his feel for the game.

Yeah, he is further along that I thought he'd be.

I figured they'd use him like they used Nelson last year; very sparingly and in more of an 'apprenticeship' role while he gets used to the speed at this level. But he looked like he may force his way onto the field a bit sooner.

It's also important to remember that he was going up against guys that are largely the same level as he is physically (he wasn't going up against any matchups that would be tough for him) and against a vanilla offense. So essentially, he was facing a top shelf college program in terms of ability and style. It's not surprising that he'd play well.

You don't know much about the young DBs until you see offenses expressly gameplanned to confuse and exploit them. So I guess what we saw was worthwhile in that it was a litmus test; can he physically hang at this level. But it didn't really tell us much beyond that.

If they can find an olb that can set the edge, may have to start him in Houston's spot, let hali and ford rotate and just hope for the best.

After watching the first half I'm left wondering where this Steven Nelson that was having such a good camp went?

He was covering arguably the best slot WR in the NFL.

I'm very excited about us putting points up, but our defense looks like BEND not BREAK right now. I prefer dominate.....

Ok?

So we're grading on a curve?

:facepalm:

Would we freak out if Julio Jones or Antonio Brown beat Peters a couple of time in the preseason?

Doug Baldwin is a very difficult matchup for any NB. He's VERY good.

Well, it kind of shows why some werent as high on Nelson in the slot, due to his lack of great physical tools he's probably going to struggle with quick wrs.

Baldwin is good. Best slot WR in the game? Probably not.

Bullshit. Name one better. The guy had 14 TD's and a breakout season last year. He was fantastic.

Not to mention there's no game planning, and it's not like Nelson got destroyed. It was a very difficult matchup for his first real action at the postion. All I'm saying is, give the dude a break.

Sutton was playing off man coverage a lot. Nelson was lined up 10 yards off the ball at certain points so giving up the soft zone in the first 5 yards was bound to happen.

He looked good when Boykin came in and the Seahawks actually took some real shots downfield. Need to see more from him to gauge his progress IMO.

Jesus you guys - that is the whole point.

If Ford can only be pegged to play the weak side because all he can do is rush the passer but nothing else, then he is a waste. Why? Younger, cheaper, players already on the roster are demonstrating they can bring what Ford brings and have arguably shown more versatility and dependability to their game.

Someone argued all Hali does is rush, so why can't Ford? Tamba has way more tools in the box than Ford, has improved his run defense enormously over the years, is arguably the best leader on the team and has a work ethic like no other. This apparently has yet to rub off on Ford.

Can't cut or trade the guy because of dead money, but Dorsey/Reid are under no obligation to play him if his uninspired play continues.

Edelman?

Why do you think they lined him up 10 yards deep when they're playing man coverage?

I disagree, but I did say "arguably". If you don't think Balwdin is arguably the best, you haven't watched him enough.

A quick Google search and I found this:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/top...s-this-season/

If you don't think edelman is better, you haven't watched him enough

Lulz at freaking out over a very good WR getting a few short catches. Typical CP ROFL

And that was before his ridiculous second half of the season.

I forgot about cobb. I'd probably take him over Baldwin in the slot, but Baldwin can play outside too so he's more rounded.

Oh sorry..

Chiefs are loaded and it's all rigged

Edelman is very good. One of the best, but he's not better than Baldwin. Sorry.

Cobb? LMAO

He was exposed big time last year. He's too 5, but Baldwin is clearly better. Baldwin would've been able to handle #1 duties (in terms of targets) with Rodgers at QB. Cobb couldn't.

So evidently you missed the whole point.

The reason Hali can do that and Ford can't is Hali plays a different position than Ford. If Ford continues to play the strong side, he can't just pin his ears back.

And you keep saying we have younger, more effective guys than Ford - who? Nicolas beat the hell out of third stringers and did so, again, on the weak side where that was his only responsibility and he didn't have an extra blocker to shed.

I'm not saying Nicolas can't beat him out, but I'm saying that we need an apples to apples comparison. I guarantee you that Nicolas will get his ass kicked on the strong side and the reasons are pretty obvious. He's smaller and hasn't played a lot of 3-4 OLB. He'll have trouble in space just as Ford did. He'll have issues getting washed out when there's an extra blocker on his side just as Ford does.

And physically Moses can't compare to Ford. Put him on the strong side and he might be smart enough to do a credible job. Put him on the weak side and he'll be a guy that's always a step short of finishing the job.

You probably also say they get gashed when giving up 280 yards and 16 points

I don't really consider baldwin a slot wr anymore, he plays outside alot more the past few.

Which is good for him and the seahawks.

It was a tough matchup for nelson, but mainly because it showcases his weaknesses. I worry that we see alot of that if he's asked to play alot of slot or nickel corner against guys like Emmanuel Sanders, baldwin etc.

If they give up 280 yards rushing? Yeah, that's pretty gashed

ZOMG Antonio Brown got 8 catches for 80 yards

Did you even read the article I posted? He was third in "slot receptions" in the middle of the season. He is a slot WR, that occasionally lines up outside. Sanders rarely lines up in the slot. We likely won't see Nelson go up against a guy of Baldwin's caliber till the playoffs when he has a lot more experience under his belt.

How'd Catapano do?

Served up that Son of Baconator and Frosty pretty well

I agree. Same goes for Ramik Wilson, Tyler Bray and even Dee Ford.

I've read every training camp report, read every tweet, watched every video and there's been universal praise for those players, especially Bray. Hell, even after Saturday's game, in which Bray was awful and Murray impressed, both Sam Mellinger and Terez Paylor said on Facebook Live that Bray was nearly a lock at 3rd QB.

Bray, IMO, was awful.

Camp and games are completely different animals. Some guys just don't know how to control their adrenaline, stay focused and perform to the best of their abilities under the watchful eyes of millions of people.

It would be great to see the Steven Nelson, Ramik and Bray camp performances translate to games and maybe, at some point it'll happen (although I think there's less than a 1% chance of that happening for Bray) but after the first preseason game, they all failed to live up to the hype.

Doug Baldwin showed last season the kind of production slot receivers can put up, beyond simply catch volume. Despite playing 80 percent of his snaps as a slot receiver, he notched 14 touchdowns, which tied for best in the NFL among all receivers. He caught 78.8 percent of the passes thrown his way, dropping just two passes all season, and was more than just a short-gain receiver, averaging 13.7 yards per reception. Baldwin has quietly become one of the league’s best receivers, but we just don’t admit it because he is dismissed as “just a slot WR.”


The guy played 80% of his snaps in the slot, but he's not a slot WR in O.City's mind.

LMAO

Like I said, you obviously haven't a watched this guy enough to have a valid opinion.

You're right, I was just about to post that as I went digging to see.

I don't know why I had him playing outside more. I remember watching him against the cardinals last year specifically him being outside more, maybe that skewed my thinking.

I was way off though

And his YPR is exactly why I say he's better than Edelman. More explosive.

The thing is you can't fully judge a player off just a game, let alone just a few plays. A player for example can start a game badly and then can get into a rhythm and be solid for the rest of the game.

You know one could say Chris Jones looked better than Poe against the Seawhawks but at the end of the day, we know Poe is probably much better than Jones right now. It's just a few plays really.

I have little hope for Bray but I wish we could see him at least for a full preseason game and then decide. And he admitted he was nervous as he stepped on the field as he had not had live action for two years.

The point being that none of those guys even remotely lived up to the hype.

Ramik Wilson was swallowed up in the ground game, Nelson wasn't swatting balls away, Bray was 3/9 and looked lost and Dee Ford didn't even get close to a sack.

Essentially, the exact opposite of camp reports.

Also noticed Seattles jarran reed. **** that dudes gonna be a steal.

I saw him too. Celebrating after we converted, and one of his teammates telling him to cut it out because we got the 1st. ROFL

He's going to be a good one though. Perfect replacement for Mebane.

The guy you should've noticed was their first round pick, Germain Ifedi, who did a great job against our defense line.

Seattle is the favorite in the NFC this year IMO

Sutton is playing him at the wrong position.

If Ford was playing on the LoS he wouldn't have to make the same judgement in space that he does playing in Houston's spot.

Move Ford behind Hali and use him to keep Hali fresh.