Right.

I thought this was understood? That doesn't dispute anything i've said, nor does it state that he won't be getting his guaranteed money in the event of an injury.

I seriously doubt that he gets cut and picked up by another team in his first contract anyway. When a team invests a top pick in a player, they are going to try everything to make the pick work out. When was the last time that a player drafted in the top 3, hell the top 15, was released in his first contract? Hell, Tyson Jackson was awful and stayed through his contract. Why? Because he was the 3rd overall pick. If he was a 5th round pick, he would've been gone by the end of season 2 at the latest. So Bosa and the Chargers are making a big deal out of something that will NEVER happen anyway.

What's beyond comprehension is your lack of comprehension. The Chargers aren't offering a bad contract. They're offering a standard contract (actually their latest offer is MORE than a standard contract) and Bosa is demanding more.

That's not taking sides. That's stating what's actually occurring.

At no point is Bosa not going to get his money. He's going to get paid. He's crying about WHEN he's going to receive it all.

NFL teams sign players with deferred signing bonuses all the time. It allows them to recoup a little interest money. Bosa, essentially wants that interest money for himself.

Again, they're essentially fighting over interest. Which is stupid. From both sides.

He won't get cut, he might sit out the entire season though.


He then goes into next year's draft. (i think that the rule now)

Chargers exec John Spanos: Bosa's stance 'absolutely asinine'
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...lutely-asinine

You misunderstood me. I meant, were he to sign his contract, he's not getting cut. He could be dogshit awful and the team would keep him around until his contract is up because he was the 3rd overall pic. Therefore, the offset language us a moot issue.

Can't believe people are siding with the Chargers on this. I'm just glad the Chiefs FO isn't such an embarrassment.

yep, i misunderstood


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Can't believe people are siding with Visa on this. I'm just glad that the Chiefs draft picks aren't such an embarrassment.

Dude is going to sit out next year too when he gets peanuts offered as a second rounder...BUT BUT BUT I GOT PICKED TURD OVERALL!!!

where does this rank in draft blunders/holdouts all time so far?

1. Bo Jackson

2. Elway?

3. Eli

4. Bosa (and climbing)

Chargers have Discovered new ways of embarrassing themselves.

Funny that 2 of the 4 were the Chargers. Add in Ryan Leaf and that's a whole lotta drafting fail at the top of the draft.

If this were a Chiefs 3rd pick, fans would be forming a lynch mob against the front office.

A team that desperately needs talent is losing out on that talent because they are being more stingy than nearly every other team that's been in the situation. They are more concerned about bottom line than fielding a competitive product for their fans. I'm sure Chargers fans will tune in on Sundays to cheer the bank account in their Spanos jerseys.

Would you form a lynch mob for the Chiefs to sign Tyson Jackson or Eric Fisher?
It was a similar shitty draft. Bosa's entitled to be misled by his agent.

He was pretty cocky the other day, this might clip his wings a little.

Nope.:)

It's waaaaaaaaaaay too early to make that kind of an assessment.

If I was a Chargers fan, I'd have been much happier with the selection of Stanley, Ramsey, Floyd, Buckner and hell, even Nkemdiche or Elliott.

Bosa's father was a bust and his son is following in his footsteps.

Yes. If my team was one of the worst in the league and they were handicapping improvement because of money they already committed to spending? **** yes. If Bosa wasn't worth 3rd overall money, don't draft him. If no one was worth it, trade the pick. What he's worth was already determined when they selected him.

We agree. The fact that you can name 6 other players that could've been picked at 3 shows how weak this draft was.

Understandably, no one wanted to trade up to 3.

Bosa's Mommy, Daddy and Agent aren't helping him at this point.

No one wanted the 3rd pick in this draft. Meh, **** Bosa 'till he gets his head out of his ass.

"He would have gotten more cash in this calendar year than anyone except Carson Wentz."

Tell me again how the Chargers are offering Joey a bad, bad contract?

You can keep telling yourself that, but I see some legitimate studs coming out of this draft.

Time will tell, but I think the Chargers are going to look at 6-8 people drafted after him and think to themselves "man, what the **** were we doing?"

And frankly, Bosa had a chance to be a better version of Wistrom had he gone to a 4-3 team. He was going to be a damn good player in his own right.

2 teams trading up to take quarterbacks in this draft and you want to compare it to the draft that gave us Eric Fisher??? Please!! There was nobody willing to trade up with KC because there was NOBODY worth the first overall pick. This draft doesn't come close to that. So after weeks of knowing who the first 2 picks were, and therefore able to pretty much have their pick debated and decided on way ahead of time, this inept organization picks an overrated player who doesn't fit their scheme and you want to whine about a shitty draft?? They could have and should have picked ANYONE else that went in the top ten.

Whoa, hold on there, cowboy.

The fact that no one traded up to take a player is not an indication that the draft was "weak". Again, that's way too early to be determined.

I'm not going to re-hash the first round of the 2016 draft but after the Chargers picked Bosa, the next several picks fell exactly to teams with specific needs that were filled.

Elliott to the Cowboys, Ramsey to the Jags, Stanley to the Ravens, Buckner to SF (Chip Kelly/Oregon connection), Leonard Floyd to the Bears and so on.

How many drafts have a no-brainer at 3?

Very very rarely. If there's a consensus, it rarely extends beyond the first couple of picks. There are usually 3-5 similarly tiered players in that range and then it's just a question of fit.

Bosa was pretty much the worst fit imaginable for SD. But that doesn't mean there weren't damn good players available to them there.

That doesn't show how weak the draft was. It is just a list of players that were better choices than Boss for the Chargers.

Please name some of the other 'legitimate studs' that would have been worthy of the 3rd overall pick. There are arguments against all of them.
It was a weak draft class plain and simple.

:facepalm:

Jalen Ramsey
Ezekiel Elliot
Ronnie Stanley
DeForest Buckner
Laremy Tunsil
Robert Nkemdiche

Alright here we go... the rest of the top 10 of the 2016 draft:
Ezekiel Elliott - SD drafted Melvin Gordon in 2015
Jalen Ramsey - Not a particular need. Ramsey had 1 INT at FSU. Seconary is OK.
Ronnie Stanley - Would have been a back-up to King Dunlap and was the 2nd ranked OT
DeForest Buckner - Bosa or Buckner seemed like the choice and Bosa won
Jack Conklin - 3rd ranked OT
Leonard Floyd - OLB was not a strong need and who is this guy?
Eli Apple - See Ramsey.

There were no good choices for the Chargers and no way to trade out of 3. The proof is right here. It was a weak draft class.

Someone is forgetting the history that San Diego has with signing their first round picks.
San Diego is the real problem here not Bosa.

Too risky to be drafted at 3.

Not even talking smack, but when Rivers hangs' em up... :reaper:

That club has no direction, no identity, no ruling philosophy, they wont even have their own stadium soon

If they don't get a stadium deal done, the NFL and the city will probably spend $800 million to renovate the Murph.

LA doesn't want the Chargers or Raiders.

Good lord

Hey, NFL FO's don't like stoners with high picks (pardon the pun). Warren Sapp, Randy Moss, etc...
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...aremy-0429.jpg

I see a lot of talk on the web about them playing in LA, but yeah that sounds like a huge cluster**** that would never work

Where else would they even go, St Louis maybe?

Chris Jones.

:)

Yet, Hall of Famers.

Hell, it's *legal*'out here. Who cares?

Was there any kind of indication that Bosa and his agent were going to conduct themselves this way? Was Bosa a diva in college? Or is this his agent or both??

If the referendum doesn't pass (and I doubt that it does), I think the NFL will up their ante to $500 million from $300, while giving the Spanos family a zero interest loan for the remainder of the Murph renovations.

The owners will lose more money with a move than they will with a renovation and the NFL *really* wants to be in San Diego.

Blackouts in Los Angeles will cost 4x as much as in Los Angeles than San Diego.

If they went to LA (where nobody wants them, incidentally) they'd not only be fighting for fans in a notoriously ambivalent-towards-football town who among the few fans mostly root for they Raiders and Rams, they'd also be Stan Kroenke's bitch. I mean seriously. He'd be their landlord. I'm sure he'd be totally impartial and not use every opportunity he could find to sabotage their football team.

They have to stay in San Diego unless they get really bold and go to San Antonio or (haha) Oakland after the Raiders go to Vegas.


also this

Anything prior to the new CBA does not count. Completely different circumstances.

The funny thing is that the Spanos family has supported anti-tax, no hand-out politics. You know, Koch Brothers stuff.

And here they are. Begging voters for a hand-out.


That being said, I hope they get it for personal (Gaslamp pregame) reasons. Even if this measure doesn't pass it's really just to test the waters of the voting public.

This Bosa situation really doesn't help their cause. They should just give Bosa deferment or let him lose the language. Just give him one, and we're done. Your 3rd overall pick is in camp, fans are happy, fans who vote.

Chris Jones would've been better lol

And none of them amounted to anything, so bad news for Bosa.

Sweet draft pick!

Not sure if you know what "debunked" means, nothing I said was wrong.
I think the slotting system started in 2012, which would include the Browns along with the Dolphins and Jags that agreed to what Bosa is asking

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016...rding-to-hoyle

Fact: Since the slotting system went into effect in 2012 (five drafts), every third overall pick has signed a contract in which either the offset was removed or their signing bonus was paid in full by the end of their rookie season, as Bosa is requesting.

Fact: 16 of the 20 top five picks from 2012-2015 either received their bonus by the end of their rookie season or had the offset language removed from their deal.

Fact: Three of the top five picks, and five of the top seven picks to have signed this year, either have no offset language or will receive their bonus before the end of the 2016 season.

this kind of judgement gets you a job slinging burgers
unless he actually went to class and got a degree...

HAHAHAHAHAH

Lol Dorsey got a better 3-4 DE a round later.

Why is there so much debate on who's to blame? If we know the facts, it should be quite obvious who's at fault. If we don't, how TF can we judge whose fault it is?

So I thought the point of the rookie pay scale was to end holdouts.

Why didnt the league create a standardized contract?

Eli Manning didn't amount to anything?

Difference is that Eli was the consensus top #1 overall pick in the draft. He was a franchise quarterback prospect that could lead a team for the next 15-years. Add in Philip Rivers, who the Giants traded to the Chargers for Eli.

Archie Manning knew what he was doing – Eli has two Super Bowl rings.

From the San Diego Tribune:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...ontract-offer/


Bad decision that could cost a player millions of dollars.

The Chargers and Bosa are basically quarreling over $2.5M out of his $17M signing bonus.

Is there some millionaire in SD who can let Bosa borrow $2.5M and then get the money back from the Chargers in 2017 when the Chargers want to give him that $2.5M?

There was also significantly more money invested in Jackson at the time.

I have no horse in this race; both are being stupid:

-Player X: "I just care about football."

-Team X: "We just want to bring a Championship to Town X."

They're all full of shit.

The bolts stuck with the 3rd pick in a 2qb class. Been there.

I think Bosa is holding out, hoping for a trade. SD is quite far away from competing for SB's.

I'm sure there is. Doesn't Denver participate in those kind of contract/cap shenanigans?

I think BOSA's plan really is to hold out and reenter draft with the intent of playing for the Dallas Cowboys. Pure speculation

He will lose millions.

This year Laremy Tunsil dropped from No. 5 to No. 13 and it cost him at least $8 million.

Joey Busta is a ****ing dumbass and so is his rookie agent.

Bosa comes from an NFL family who happens to be pretty wealthy. He doesn't need the money. He knows he is going to get paid either by the Chargers this year or someone else next year.

They did, the Chargers are not willing to pay it

What is going to be interesting is if the Chargers suck again this year and are picking in the top 5 of the 2017 NFL draft.

They have already said publicly "team precedent" doesn't allow them to offer market value contracts that top 5 picks typically get

Chargers are ****ing stupid and possibly wasted a 3rd overall pick. Dumbasses.

I didn't get paid shit when I came out of school.

The Chargers wasted a 3rd round pick and are taking a terrible public beating for the way they do business, forcing them to TWEET out their offer.

Bosa comes off as a self-righteous, entitled douche who will ultimately lose millions of dollars and soil his reputation moving forward.

Who wins this one? Nobody.

Fans of the other 3 teams in the division?

People keep saying this like its a GIVEN........ Who is to say BOSA is not drafted in top 10 next year?

Yes, there is that. :D

Doesn't matter. He won't be top 5. No way in hell. Lets say he goes 6-10, he would lose millions.

Take Jack Conklin for example: #8 Overall and his contract is worth almost 16mill TOTAL. Currently, Bosa is set to make more than that in just his signing bonus alone. The drop off is substantial.

I dont think he or his family were thrilled being picked by the Chargers from the beginning. The Chargers are being cheapskates trying to keep both the deferred signing bonus and offset language in the contract. Which does appear to be on the douchey side of rookie contract deals, but not unheard of.

16 of the 20 top five picks from 2012-2015 either received their bonus by the end of their rookie season or had the offset language removed from their deal.

Bosa has said one or the other but not both which would be inline with most high pick rookie contracts. I dont get why you dont get rid of one to get him signed, but it is the Chargers.

The Chargers refuse. So you got a rookie who already has a sense of entitlement, who comes from a family thats well off (able and willing to hold out),and a team that is known as being cheapskates, and are here as well. The Chargers gambled here ala Eli Manning, picking an entitled diva knowing full well they were going to give him one of the more team friendly deals compared to most teams. The Chargers are morons picking this guy, and expecting him to take a worse deal than most of his peers in the same draft slot. Its pettiness on both sides at this point but this is Bosa's out if he really doesnt want to be there and the Chargers are just dumb no matter how you look at it.

Well maybe a few million is worth being on the team of his choice.

There has to be some "behind-the-scenes" NFLPA/agent pressure not to accept any deviation from the normal contractual structure. It could open up the potential for future situations like this to be a recurring problem...which the new CBA was intended to prevent.

The Chargers are the ones that are trying to "juke" the system...and the owners ego is preventing him from the realization that he's not going to get his way. Publishing the contractual situation was intended to paint Bosa as being unreasonable...petty, under-handed move.

This is the real problem, ****ing chargers

I definitely don't agree with that. His family is pretty well off, so I'm sure he doesn't feel any pressure to take something he doesn't feel is right. That being said, I think the Chargers and the Bosa's are pretty ridiculous. If its guaranteed money, who cares if it comes 8 months later. I cannot believe he is willing to sit out a year, but then again, I don't come from a family with money. I would never pass money like that.

I think at this point Bosa doesn't even want to be a Charger and since he doesn't care about the money that's being offered at this point.

Didn't know Bosa's great grandfather was Chicago mob boss Tony Accardo (Big Tuna), used to also work as a hitman under Al Capone in his early yrs. That's ****ing cool, and note to self, don't ever mess with that family or try to **** them over LMAO.

Wonder what kind of vetting the Chargers did on that. Those ****ers are still around too and are (and have been) in bed w/ the Daley's for decades. In a big city like that I'm sure they still carry some kind of pull.

Not getting his whole signing bonus up front costs him money.

what do you think the extra 7 million is worth over a years time?

How is he going to get the team of his choice being in the draft again?