If GM's are sensible that will happen.

The infatuation of a 1st round qb selection has caused the fanbase to go full reerun. Geno Smithesque.

Huge red flags around Kizer and Mahomes and to a lesser degree Watson. Stacked defensive talent along with rb and wr in round one. Because of draft position, the Chiefs should be in a rather decent spot to make a move on a qb to develop, but they will sacrifice top-shelf talent elsewhere.

Yup. Which is why I hope they pass on a 1st round QB this year as the talent is far superior at other positions.

From Kiper's new mock. He doesn't have Mahomes going in the first...

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/c...ft_30/df9bziz/

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Not sure I'd be a fan of taking the 5th to 10th best receiver (depending on who you ask) as a 1st round pick - but that's just me.

He has great hands and has been very productive but I'd sure rather have that QB

Zay Jones isn't going in the 1st round. Shit....I don't even think he'll go in the top half of the 2nd.

He's likely the #4 WR on most teams boards. He'll probably be gone by the middle of the 2nd, though I agree that it's pretty unlikely he goes in the 1st.

Preference, Cooper Kupp or Zay Jones?

Jones. Much more upside.

That was my thought too. He may not ever be a super star but I'd put money on him having a long and productive career barring major injury.

Chris Godwin over both please. And no, I don't think KC picks a receiver in round 1 anyhow.

We could draft the next ****ing Randy Moss and Alex would still come up short of 3800 yards and 25 TDs.

Stop drafting WRs. You get the same QB no matter who you give him

For real. It's like buying toys for the little bastard child who needs to have his ass spanked and his dinner taken away from him.

Yeup.

It's pretty remarkable, to be honest. It takes a hell of a set of tools to be able to take a team who's best pass catcher is an intermittently healthy Donnie Avery and be identically productive with a team that has Travis Kelce, Tyreke Hill, Jeremy Maclin and Chris Conley added to the mix.

I'm serious - how the **** does he even manage that? Give the guy shit and he produces like an average to slightly below average quarterback. It stands to reason that giving him actual weapons will yield some sort of ROI...

Nope - same goddamn guy. The ability to be nominally productive in his first year or two here with a bad line and zero weapons to speak of was pretty damn admirable. But the fact that he's pretty much just hugged that line of abject mediocrity while the team around him has gotten progressively better (to the point of legitimately dangerous)....well that's just bizarre.

Drops, running game, pass pro, the defense did I forget an excuse?

Seriously - there is no way Kiper's watched the Chiefs and actually believes this.

Because adding Tyreke ****ing Hill didn't actually open up the offense. It added a couple of splash plays here and there but those were so infrequent (and really came at the expense of some deep middle/out routes rather than Reid/Smith's allotment of check-downs and WR screens) that they didn't accomplish anything.

No - NOTHING will open up the Chiefs offense. And no, Alex Smith will not do anything with a 'reliable, productive target' that he wouldn't do with some jackass 6th rounder that gets those same snaps because somehow Alex Smith has become "Even Steven" from ****ing Seinfeld. Give him 10 more deep passes and he'll just throw 10 more bubble screens.

Alex Smith is significantly more impressive when his team sucks.

Because he's no better when they're good so his middle of the road play for a shitty team actually looks pretty good.

Fellow Planeteers, I beseech thee;

Take a cue from young DJ here and embrace the reality that IS a useless Alex Smith.

Then, righteously focus thine anger on the fatassed, sideline bobble-head which insisteth on playing this fool.

No kidding. Would love to see what a real QB does with this offense.

Mel Kiper is a ****ing moron

He is very good for entertainment, though. He has such an inflated ego regarding his supposed knowledge of all things NFL draft. As if he is king this time of year. He gets sooo worked up and flustered when someone disagrees or questions something he says. It's absolutely comedy gold to watch him melt down on screen. And probably the reason ESPN has kept the clown around for so long.

He and that human scrotum Berman are why I put up with that ass hat Deion and watch the NFL network for the draft.

He hasn't done his own work in forever. An intern makes that shit for him and he slaps his name on it.

And remember, those stats with Maclin, Hill, and Kelce also include a better offensive line.

I don't know if it's possible to give Alex enough shit for him to be better than he is.

And honestly, I'm not sure how much you'd have to take away before there's a noticeable drop off in production either.

The guy simply doesn't produce any differently regardless of the talent around him.

It makes no sense. The Browns should be hard up to get this guy. He's the perfect QB for a rebuild.

The longer Smith sticks around, the higher and more unreasonable the cost of acquiring him becomes.

I mean if you take Chase Daniel's stats from 2 starts 1 with backups they are similar to Smiths....

27. Kansas City Chiefs: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

Andy Reid selected Kevin Kolb with his initial draft choice back in 2007. Donovan McNabb was entrenched as his starter, but he was about to turn 31, and Reid was thinking of the future. Perhaps Reid will make a similar decision at this juncture, as Alex Smith is a few months away from 33. Smith performed poorly this past season, so the Chiefs need to get better at quarterback anyway.

I should note that no team we've spoken to has Deshaun Watson as a first-round prospect. One high-ranking personnel man in the NFC told me he has Watson as a third-round prospect. It's so much like the Teddy Bridgewater draft, when the media had Bridgewater in the first round, and yet NFL franchises considered him to be a second-day prospect, even before his woeful pro day. However, this was prior to the national championship, so I have to believe some team will trade up into the back end of the opening frame to take Watson, much like the Vikings did with Bridgewater. In this case, Kansas City is simply taking Watson with its own pick, and I think it's a very logical selection.

Updated 3/29.

27. Pat Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech

Andy Reid selected Kevin Kolb with his initial draft choice back in 2007. Donovan McNabb was entrenched as his starter, but he was about to turn 31, and Reid was thinking of the future. Perhaps Reid will make a similar decision at this juncture, as Alex Smith is a few months away from 33. Smith performed poorly this past season, so the Chiefs need to get better at quarterback anyway.

Charlie Campbell reported that some teams have Pat Mahomes slotted as a second-round prospect, but given that Mahomes is a quarterback, he's likely to be chosen earlier than most anticipate. The NFL Draft Advisory Committee apparently agrees, as they gave Mahomes a Round 2 grade, which means he'll be pushed into the opening frame because he's a quarterback. Thus, it only seems logical to slot Mahomes into this spot, because if the Chiefs like him, they won't be able to obtain him with their second-round selection.

59. Tim Williams, DE/OLB, Alabama

With Tamba Hali nearing retirement and Dee Ford hitting free agency soon, the Chiefs could be in the market for a new edge rusher. Tim Williams has Randy Gregory-type off-the-field concerns, but Andy Reid has taken chances on troubled players.

91. Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma

The Chiefs cut Jamaal Charles, so they'll need to spend an early-round selection on a new running back.

Joe Mixon is an ultra-talented running back, but will slip in the draft because he punched a woman a couple of years ago. However, Andy Reid has given second chances to players, so perhaps he'll give Mixon a shot to redeem himself, just as he did with Tyreek Hill.

104. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan

Andy Reid loves using multiple tight ends, so this is an option despite Travis Kelce being on the roster. This is some major value, as Jake Butt getting hurt caused him to drop two rounds.

132. Damore'ea Stringefellow, WR, Ole Miss

Jeremy Maclin likely won't be around in Kansas City much longer because of his salary. The Chiefs could use a mid-round selection on a receiver.

170. Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan

The Chiefs were able to get quality play out of Terrance Mitchell down the stretch last year, but that could've been a fluke. A cornerback should be added just in case.

180. Connor Harris, ILB, Lindenwood

Derrick Johnson is coming off yet another injury, so it seems clear that his time is running out. The Chiefs will need to find a replacement.

I came

I just don't see them drafting Mixon after they took Hill last year.

I don't see Lewis falling to 170 either. For that matter, I'd be surprised if Williams, Mixon or Butt fell to the Chiefs at those respective picks.

Somebody will, and whoever it is will get plus value for it.

I don't either. It will be ****ing Denver or Oakland.

He's gone by the mid 3rd, at the latest, IMO. Probably late 2nd.

If be happy as hell with that draft, but I wonder why he didn't make all 10 selections.

He doesn't do all rounds until it gets closer to the draft.

I don't think he even makes it out the 2nd. This mock is pretty unrealistic, but still gave me wood.

You never know.

This draft is so incredibly deep at CB that some teams will wait to pick one.

That will lead to some guys slipping a round or 3.

Don't underestimate the depth of this CB class.

We're talking about Mixon lol

I think depth actually makes drafts go the other way.

I dunno that CB's will go that early or often due to the depth.

That is exactly what Boss said lol

I should have read his post a little better I guess. You;d think I'd learn not to skim.

I'm not sure you're right. You left off God Mode Charles during the Avery term.

And to be fair Charles is a lot more an Alex Smith type weapon than Tyreke Hill or Travis Kelce.

Your point remains. Weapons aren't Smiths problem. Smith is Smiths problem

Chad Reuter did a 5-round mock...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...nds-in-round-1

Garbage

Yeah, Adams would be a nice 2nd rounder but every other pick in that draft sucks badly. Fortunately the Chiefs aren't an afterthought for Dorsey like they are for the national media so "well that guy has dreads like Jamaal so we should take him" or "hey, he's like Smith but worse" is not going to be the basis for Dorsey's decision.

Charlie Campbell's latest update on Walter has Davis Webb going to the Chiefs in the 4th. I have no clue what that dude is looking at but if they want Webb he may not even be there for their 2nd pick.

Matt Miller's updated 2 round mock...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ce=twitter.com

JIMP

Miami at 22 might be the perfect trade partner... if we have any interest in a specific QB. #27 and #104 (the late 3rd comp pick) for #22 is in the ball park on points. And Miami does not have a 4th round pick. Trade makes sense for both teams.

Puke at the first pick. Idk about getting a 2nd round red-shirter who blew out his achilles.

https://theringer.com/ringer-2017-nf...0-9e5191858e6c

I absolutely hate Denver's pick in this mock BTW.

And I hate that pick

Zay Jones in the 2nd? Sure. In the first? **** that.

I don't blame you, I seriously doubt anyone passes on Fournette to grab Cook.

I can't see the Chiefs drafting a 1st round receiver under Dorsey's watch. That, and I highly doubt Zay Jones goes in the 1st.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit. I think Cook is a better overall back and fits today's NFL style better. Fournette really fits teams looking at using a power running game, but not so much the zone teams and the teams that are pass heavy. I think Fournette's earliest hope is Carolina, but if they pass his next landing spot could be Washington at 19.

Jets, especially if they can trade back a few spots.

I could. They tried moving up for Treadwell last year according to reports. But nobody is drafting Zay Jones in the 1st. Davis, Williams, Ross and McCaffrey (he is a receiver imo) go round 1.

Maclin is due a lot of money next year. Too much....

If Williams or Davis slide, I would expect Dorsey to grab one of them.

That Treadwelll rumor had to be bullshit. He isn't a fit at all.

Are you saying that because of the season he had last year? Because if you look at measurables only, he is similar to Conley. Maybe Conley's year one production underwhelmed and they wanted an upgrade. More red zone size could be a plus as well.

Dorsey is absolutely a measurables coupled with production guy.

No way they had their eye on Treadwell and wanted to move up for him.

I'll forever think they wanted to move up for Lynch and Denver jumped them.

No, I said as much then too and I liked him as a prospect. The Lynch and Treadwell rumors were BS IMO. He is not similar to Conley aside from size. Conley has rare measurables comparable to Julio, while Treadwell isn't close to that level of athleticism.

I saw Conley today dude has put on a little bit of muscle. Glad we didnt draft Treadwell.

Disagree. Treadwell was slower than Conley, but had good size, good hands and ran similar route trees to Conley in college. Treadwell disappointed last year, but you cannot say he was not dominant in college.

I put zero stock into those "rumors." Treadwell doesn't and never will fit the type of receiver Andy Reid has employed sans maybe, and that's a huge stretch even then, Terrell Owens.

That is a huge stretch. TO had already proved he was a baller before Andy grabbed him. I doubt Treadwell was ever in the picture.

Walterfootball.com has their Reader Mock Draft every year and it's going on right now. The Texans are on the clock and it's looking like Mahomes is going to be voted as their pick. Considering the Seahawks are the next team on the clock....it's looking like our choice will come down to Kizer or Watson for the QB position. If you want to go vote when we're on the clock.....feel free to. I believe he opens it up for 24 hours.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2017reader_1.php

Or go pump up the votes for Watson. He's about 20 behind Mahomes right now.

Prisco's most recent mock...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pr...on-davis-webb/

I'd actually be pretty happy with Watson. It was pretty interesting to hear Gruden go through Watson's interceptions with him on Gruden's football camp. Showed him, and told him, how he could have easily cleaned up 6 or 7 of them. It was really interesting. If you don't want to watch it, communication between Watson and his O-line and Watson and his receivers was the key to most of the interceptions.

In fact, Gruden said once Watson and his professional teammates could communicate on the same page (getting the play and the audible play called and remembering it), he has all the tools to make be successful. BTW, Watson majored in communication in college. Completed his degree in 3 years.

Watson is my #1 guy right now.

McShay did a three round mock today and had no QB's in the first round. He did have Trubisky and Watson going 1 and 2 in the second round though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/c...s_new_gm_mock/

I actually like that draft. It has good impact in the first two picks. Webb has been working with Zorn so he should be familiar with the WCO concepts and Brown's tape is pretty impressive.

Meh to Cunningham and White feel like you could get guys just as good in the 2nd maybe 3rd round. If that's the case I'd go QB round 1.

Nate Davis' most recent mock...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...tte/100376134/

This is the portion that moistened me. :D

Now, can we all agree that if Smith were to be renewed, that the excuse of "there just wasn't any other option" is a reply that only a brain-dead moron would dare use in debate/conversation?

I thought so.

Let us move on from this horrible blight of San Francisco/Utah bundle of sticksry, and in to the shining light of 1st/2nd Round Prospect Glory! :)

Matt Miller's updated 2-round mock...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ce=twitter.com

Eww at Douglas in round 2

He's got Basham going a few picks after the Douglas pick. I think Basham can become another Hali.
1. Mahomes
2. Basham

Profit.

We drafted Watson.

Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
image: http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Clemson_logo.gif


Deshaun Watson: 37.1%
Gareon Conley: 14.6%
Jarrad Davis: 12.9%
DeShone Kizer: 11.8%
T.J. Watt: 6.2%
Jabrill Peppers: 5.1%
Charles Harris: 4.5%
Adoree Jackson: 3.9%
Kevin King: 2.8%
Obi Melifonwu: 1.1%
Total votes: 179

Jeff D: Once again, we get the annual argument that teams need to start grooming their heir apparent QBs to one day take over for their long-entrenched, successful, but aging starters. Pop quiz: Without looking it up, how many teams over the past 10 years have spent a first round pick on an heir apparent to a long-entrenched starter? If you guessed anything other than 0, you guessed too high. Even stretching it to the second round, there have only been two example of this over the past five years, and that was Jimmy Garrapolo, who will likely spend his whole rookie contract on the bench (though could fetch a good price in a trade), and Brock Osweiler. Even the two of them were taken with some of the last few picks of round 2 by teams who were clear Superbowl contenders with loaded rosters. Yes, Kevin Kolb was picked by Andy Reid in the 2nd round six years ago with McNabb still around, but overall, we're not talking about a strategy that has worked out well for the teams involved. GMs support this idea in a vacuum - making sure there is continuity at the league's most valuable position and all that, but in practice, considering the current CBA, it's just been way too difficult to use your first foray into the current year's talent pool on a guy who is probably going to be sitting on the bench for the next 2+ years. This league runs on affordable talent on rookie contracts, and when you're in your window of success, it's just too tempting to try to add an additional cheap asset to help you now, even at the expense of your best long-term interests. I went with Conley.

HurricaneDitka: At this point, if Conley falls this far in the draft I believe someone will trade up to get him. Since we aren't doing trades, I think this comes down to Conley vs Davis, and the value of non-elite ILBs has plummeted in the last decade. I don't see Davis as more than a top half ILB in the NFL, while I see potential for the combination of Peters and Conley to become one of the top 5 best CB duos in the entire league. To me it's a no-brainer, but this is Andy Reid, so honestly who knows. I can't see Andy taking a QB this early, the Chiefs are still a yearly contender, and I think they go with someone who can help them immediately. That, plus the fact that I personally have Watson and Kizer as 2nd day picks, due to Watson's low ceiling and Kizer's low floor.

Thomas T: This offseason there have been numerous reports out of KC that managent feels that this team can only go as far as Alex Smith can take them, which has not been far. Here they act on their beliefs and take a proven winner in Deshaun Watson. Don't expect him to compete in camp, but if the cards fall right we could have a Prescott-Romo like takeover mid season. I opted for the QB over position players because it looks like the AFC is wide open excluding the patriots and KC feels their window defensively is closing with Justin Houston and Tamba Hali aging.

Nick T: If I know Andy Reid, I will know that he selected Kevin Kolb in the 2nd round when he was with the Eagles, when he already had Donovan McNabb. On the other hand, Kolb never did anything in the NFL, and it is very possible this was a one time incident, never to be repeated unless absolutely necessary. As of right now, depth at Inside linebacker and edge rusher are among their bigger needs, so there are about a half-dozen players I see going here, and none of them are QBs. He'll, I could see KC reaching for a guard before taking a QB. Not saying it isn't an option, but still. Anyways, I think the player they'll take is Jarrad Davis, a really good inside linebacker that'll be able to take over for Derrick Johnson in a couple of years.

JohnnyFire: I don't think KC can really go too wrong in the first several rounds of this draft. I'll have them grab Gareon Conley, who meets their talent needs and shores up a 1-man show in the CB corps. As for QB, why would KC reach in a class that seems devoid of sure-fire first rounders? Even if I do think players like Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes, and to a lesser extent Kizer and Kaaya would thrive given time, Kansas City has a window in the West that is going to start closing if they pass on primary needs; Alex Smith is still competent enough at the moment at QB, and more than enough to justify not taking a QB in the first frame. Talk to me again in 2018.