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I'm not even going to address the idea that he looked like Smith, but you should analyze more clearly and see that for half of that game he played with backups against Seattle starters.

completion 1st d
dink to LOS
scramble and sack instead of TIA
short throw behind receiver
scramble, throw it away at receivers back
long bomb OOB
too high over mifddle, lucky not picked off
1st down over middle
close to 1st
scramble for short gainand 1st d
long bomb to endzone, way overthrown
too high pass to LOS
10yd pas 1d
ball thrown too far OOB no TD
fumble for a loss
low pass, no completion
dink 3yd pass, immediately covered
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Now, he did have a few nice plays, but what about the majority of that is any better than what AS does on average. Not talking about his outliers, but AVERAGE.

I'll take your word for it as against Seattle's starters. But the misses in the video weren't drops, they were bad throws IMO.

And this was pointed to as his best game wasn't it??
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3 snaps a week and people think Reid is going to voluntarily bench Smith? Bench the guy who was the leading QB in the league for the first 5 games of the year? Good luck with that.

I cant believe there are numb nuts who are dumb enough to try to make the case against Mahomes after watching Smith play the last 4 weeks and in years past.

You seriously have to be a special kind of stupid at this point to try to claim we hav ea better shot of winning anything with Smith.

We may not win anything with Mahomes but at least he would see the field and get prepared for next year. And I am convinced we woudl win as much or more with Mahomes at this point.

We aren't winning anything with Smith so this is a waste of time moving forward with him playing QB. To think otherwise is just ignorant pig headed dumbassery.

Its that simple.

If I can see this, and I have given Smith every benefit for MOST of his time in KC, I dont see how anyone cant see this.

what team do you coach for? I'm just a fan....

My only concern with Mahomes at this point is injury. He has the tendency to leave the pocket to make big plays ala Aaron Rodgers.

And like Aaron Rodgers he leaves himself open to get sidewalk slammed.

He seemed uncomfortable in the pocket in the preseason and at times would roll out when it wasn't needed.

With that said, start him.

Seattle was his worst preseason game and I think everyone would agree with that

Edited your post to show my commentary. There's more to those plays than you described.

First of all, what did he do different from Alex Smith? Proved multiple times he has better pocket presence. Showed ability multiple times to throw on the run, even more impressive that he did it rolling left. Multiple times threw at the sticks instead of the checkdown. Gives his receivers a chance when he throws the ball away (we saw that multiple times in the preseason). In the face of pressure, he still tries to make a throw with none of those passes looking at all risky.

And by the way, I don't think this was the game he showed what he can do. This was a game where he showed what he had learned. In previous games, he was absolutely outstanding using his mobility not to run, even pressure situations the took a miracle to get out of. This was a game where he replaced some of that freelancing with very smart throwaway balls and where he looks to get rid of the ball much, much faster.

There is no way you can possibly think that Mahomes didn't flash this preseason that he has a hell of a lot more to offer than Smith. Of course it's a risk. But I don't think it is because there isn't any more upside to Smith. We know exactly what he is.

He is going to play that way regardless of when he starts. He may learn after taking some hits, or maybe not. Either way week 11 this year or week 1 next year likely wont change that risk. Hell you could argue if he gets hurt this year we still have Smith and maybe he learns something from it. Next year we wont have Smith.

Cant make decisions based on fear of injury.

That was my concern as well. Except more Big Ben and McNabb for now. The hope is he matures into Rodgers or Favre (but that still means taking a lot of hits). I don't think he looked uncomfortable in the pocket, though he does tend to roll out more than he needs to, but he does have confidence in throwing on the run and he should. I don't have an issue with him rolling out. More of when he waits until the last minute to unload the ball knowing he'll get whacked and a few runs where he tried to get extra yards instead of just running out of bounds.

That being said, the Seattle game was a sign that he was learning fast. Made a lot of really smart throwaways that in previous games he would have stuck in there to take the hit.

there's the hypocrisy though. Many of those plays are what AS would have done too, checkdown, coverage and protection issues.

Mahomes does have spark, and potential. He is the future. The FUTURE. He's still very inexperienced and needs more time IMO. ANd many who are way smarter than me (us) seem to agree. We do far more damage to him rolling him out there this season. This isn't college, he hasn't been a multi-year backup.

Watson seemed to do ok.

As a Mizzou fan that is going through the depression of Michael Porter Jr's injury right now, I could REALLY REALLY use a big pick me up with the announcement that Patrick Mahomes will make his first NFL start Sunday...But because #Chiefs that won't happen.

I don't mind him learning from the bench. He has a lot to work on in terms of footwork and technique, and I think the more he learns the more the game will slow down.

That being said, I think Alex has been limiting enough that I completely disagree that Mahomes doesn't have an excellent chance of upgrading us immediately. Half of those Seattle plays are throws Alex doesn't make. His understanding of his pocket, his willingness to throw deep (which would do wonders for stretching out that cover 2 that's killing us), his ability to throw on the run. Those are big pieces that we're missing right now.

And I don't take much stock in what the organization is saying right now about his readiness. I think the organization is politically playing this out so they can let Alex go next year politely. More importantly, I think they're going to push hard to trade Alex Smith and it does them no favors if teams think the Chiefs are 100% committed to starting Mahomes next year.

Right, but i'd hope that he's developed some comfort in the pocket so he doesn't feel the need to wiggle free most plays. We don't want him rolling out for no reason, and he did that several times in the Preseason.

I understand that that will always be part of his game, but ideally we'd want to him to do that when necessary, not just because.

Just jumping into this conversation here, and i agree, he's not perfect. He throws high at times, short at others. Checks down some times, which there's nothing wrong with.

And that's all to be expected. Everything you mentioned describes any given QB in the NFL.

What separates the good from the great are in fact those outliers. Those plays they make....being play makers.

Mahomes does it. THAT'S why he'll be better than Smith.

Not because he's going to make every read. He won't.

Not because he won't over/under throw a receiver. He will.

But because he has the talent and the fortitude to compensate for those mistakes.

That GIF of Alex missing DAT shows everything that's wrong with Smith. Smith looked right at DAT as he broke free. A difficult window? Sure. But an NFL QB has to make that throw.

Alex considered it and pulled it down instead. Mahomes lets that one rip.

hows that working for him?

Uhmm....lol wut?

he's done for the season with an ACL right?

That he got in practice, dude. Him playing in no way resulted in an injury...unless you're going to argue that simply participating as an NFL player can lead to injury, therefore...enshrine Mahomes in a protective bubble and shelf him for 20 years until his value goes up?

guess I missed that part, I don't pay attention to other teams for the most part.

Heh me either.

Maybe that's why NFL ratings are down...

Trent Green is calling the Buffalo game.

Call out the cuck, Trent.

It's kind of franchise-defining at this point, Otter.

This. At some point, our boy has to become a man and we're not going to get there with Mahomes riding the pine.

Dude, no one is more excited about Pat than I am but making 60 posts a day on a message board and ruining every thread on a message board that isn't even associated with the Chiefs Franchise gets kind of old. Arrow wants Pat to start. We get it.</br></br> If you're that passionate about it look up the coaches mailing address and write them a letter or send them an email. Pissing on a bunch of people just trying to have a conversation gets kinda old.</br></br>What exactly is Arrow accomplishing outside of being a broken record?

I accomplish pissing only you off cuck. Every thread IS about the chiefs. Get over it.

You couldn't piss me off if tried boy. Enjoy being the newest village idiot and congrats! :thumb:

Well, everyone else is pretty much weighing in on a regular basis, but I get your point. If you're going to say the same thing over and over, at least find new and creative ways to say it.
I think we're all pretty passionate and excited, and I'm personally very excited about being able to put a lot of trash in the fire and get back to being engaged about the team again.
I won't speak for ARROW, but I know that his politics and mine rarely ever mesh, but I won't bring that in to the football forum. We can hate each other's politics and still love Mahomes. That's a great thing about football and hopefully the owners and players will reach an agreement to keep that shit off the field so that we can ALL get a break from that garbage on Sundays and concentrate on the love of the game itself.

I respect your passion and I'm fairly sure that you and Otter don't see eye to eye on much in other areas of the board, but we have to accept that Andy is going to do what he is going to do, and there's not much we can do about it. The good news is that Smith's "performance" will no doubt ASSURE that we get Mahomes in 2018, and that this is the last wasted season and endless dumbshittery from Smith Bitches that we will have to endure.
Let's keep it together, man. Glass half full!

Well said. Thank you brother!

So if it takes 6 years to get this offense down, imagine how good Wentz is going to be 4 years from now.:eek:

This is true. We threw on 75% of our plays out of the shotgun, and it would have been over 80% but Smith scrambled on 4 of them. We ran on 60% of the plays from under center.

My shit is together, I don't need a ****ing keyboard lashing from you. I'm a grown ass man. You don't say shit about the endless gifs that we all love so leave me the **** alone. I will post what I damn well please.. as you said, everybody is weighing in regularly. Don't be influenced by one bitch who has beef with me for whatever reason. I like you but I ain't your child

You could just change your signature to something like "I'm mad and want Pat to start and hate Alex Smith" and save us all a lot of bandwidth and server space.</br></br>Just a thought champ! :thumb:

I was respectful to you, and that was hardly a "lashing". LMAO

You must not be very familiar with my work.

Anywho, rage on...:rolleyes:

You may as well say that about a lot of posters as,well. Most of the time, I am just agreeing or elaborating on a post. My posts are not all identical so **** off

A little bit better than "suck my dick" but still lacking originality.

610 a bunch of idiots

Nobody cares what Alex did weeks 1-5

He is broken now. We're not winning Superbowl this year. I wanna see Mahomes finish and start in the playoffs

It won't happen yet but it is getting closer

Alex, put up or shut up bs Buffalo!

I bet they are still celebrating SB IV.

Does Hank Stram have living, coaching offspring?

Asking for a friend.

Be careful, you will be accused of pining for mahomes too much. ROFL

Otter, the media can't wait to "suck his dick".....lol.

Guys, I'm excited about Mahomes too and got black out drunk the night we drafted him because, well, finally.

But JFC. Everyone in this thread is jerking off to him like we have someone who is a guaranteed hit. I'm tired of Alex as well, but there's at least a 25% chance that Mahomes takes us to a 6-10 record next year with 15 TDs and 15 INTs. My modal expectation is he's better than that, but who knows? (And if you cite preseason nonsense, it's not even worth responding to you.)

He passes the eye test. He will be the next big thing. 0 interceptions doesn't mean you are not making mistakes and missing opportunities as we all are finding out.

We already know how this story ends with Alex. I don't care if Mahomes came in and struggled the rest of the season, it's time to move on and develop our QBOTF with actual in-game experience. Worked out pretty well for the LA Rams and Philly Eagles doing that last year, didn't it?

This Chiefs season is going nowhere fast with Alex at the helm and with the defense depleted. Time for the future to begin.

People are so scared to play a rookie and that is precisely what he will be in 18 with no game experience now.

I hope it works out for you sweetheart! You said you were a grown man previously didn't you?

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That's going to be you after the first 70 yard mahomes to tyreek connection.

Ultimately, this is on walrus for not doing the right thing.

Yes, but this has worked out far less than it's worked. You can name more top 10-15 QB picks who have failed than the opposite.

My only goal with Alex is to win a home playoff game in the divisional round. We deserve that as Chiefs fans.

So, why not start the process of figuring out what KC has in Mahomes? We’re not going to face Hoyer in the div round, and thus, won’t be winning shit with Smith. Yiur goal is a fantasy.

This. It's time for Mahomes to get live action tape over the next several weeks... and postseason... to evaluate and learn from.

This is a good team. We saw that right up through Pittsburgh. Only one thing has changed. That's the play of the QB.

Taking over for Alex and leading us to the playoffs with a playoff win would be amazing for a rookie QB.

We're not going to play a home divisional playoff game this year. We aren't getting a bye.

We will be the 3 or 4 seed. Home wildcard round and then a road divisional game.

Kap wasn’t a rookie, but that has happened to Smith before!

I agree. I would rather lose out and play Mahomes than manage to win the West and lose to a wildcard team again. You give Mahomes a two game lead to win the division and see what he can do. If nothing else we should find out if we need to invest more in offensive line or wide receivers next offseason.

Plus, there is no way they will be at home in the divisional round this year....

Nah, we've past that mile-marker DAYS ago. There are more people than ever ready to put Pat in and see what he can do. The local media may be scared of Reid, but the national folks who were none too happy to stop talking about Mahomes are firing up their engines again, and putting pedal to the metal for a good ol' fashioned QB controversy.

All good, man. Every knowledgeable poster I know here has already committed to the reality of losing a few a games with Pat during the transitional phase. And while 6-10 would be somewhat disappointing, it would be a hell of a lot better than 1 and done with Shitty Smitty.
There are fans who have DIED waiting to see this day. I'm all about the journey on this one.

Truth. And it's not like his job is at stake; this is purely ego-driven at this point. I don't buy all of that shit about "team chemistry" and "disruption" when the team in question is sucking out loud.

I would be beside myself with megasonic, orgasmic bliss were that to occur. And if it did, you might as well start getting him fitted for his gold jacket.

Do you think Deshaun Watson is a much better QB than Mahomes? Seriously?

Did you know going into the season Mahomes was ranked by NFL.com as the 2nd best backup QB in the league as a rookie who had never taken a snap?

He's doing the right thing.

He drafted, and now he's grooming, a QBOTF.

That's one way of looking at it, for sure.

So what?

Mahomes needs reps sooner than later. If it takes over 16 games for the dude to get his feet underneath of him, then doesn't it make more sense to those games under his belt sooner than later?

The Chiefs aren't accomplishing shit this season. They "apparently" don't have the top 5 OL and defense that you must have to win with Smith, so what are they *really* missing out on in benching him in favor of Mahomes?

You're a ****ing idiot.

Welcome, dumbass.

We're not guaranteed to go 6-10 with Mahomes.

Did the Texans look like a 6-10 team with Watson?

Ok, geni(0)us name me 5 pro bowl QB's from a spread offense (in less than 8 hours.)

Ok, now name me 2 that repeated that feat.

You can't do that in less than 8 hours because it never happened.

And your argument is that not only will this spread QB play well enough to win but it won't set him back by playing him in his rookie year, and KC (OF ALL TEAMS KC) will be the one team to achieve this?

You know what Watson and Smith both have in common?

They both looked good for 4 games...

Ben
Brees
Wilson
Newton
Rivers
Shitty

What do I win?

I know they can lose the Game because it’s November and Alex Smith is under center. The only hope for this season is a shot of St. Patty.


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Patrick Mahomes Question Looms Large as Alex Smith Continues to Struggle
 

When Alex played well I was good with him keeping his job. As the season gets along and it gets colder he declines.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

We aren’t playing in tropical climates. He did his job, we are 2 games up, put in the kid.


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And how many repeated being a pro-bowl QB?...

All of them

No.

Check again...

That wasn't my argument at all. You seem to think I'm concerned about 2017. I was unconcerned about 2017 the moment it was announced that Smith would be the starter.
And I do not believe that bringing Mahomes in at this point is going to save 2017.
It will however get the ball rolling and give him some legit playing time to build on.

ben 5 times

brees 10 times

wilson 3 times

newton 3times

rivers 6 times

smith 2 times

Rivers was arguable.

And Newton was more option than spread...

Was just answering your question

Pro bowl isn't a good indicator of anything Rausch. You should know that.

Again. Whst do I win?

Fair enough.

Your best answer is 5 in 20 years.

At best. If all 5 did make 2 pro-bowls.

And they didn't.

I WANT PM to be our QBOTF. I want him to have the best launch pad to success.

Our defense is shit this season. Our pass rush is banged up and half hearted.

Why would you want to throw our future into that?...

If I'm wrong, 6 QB's drafted in 20 years.

Let's say that's all true.

If true 6 QB's drafted in 20 years worked out.