LMAO. R8RFAN already acknowledging that Gruden was a bad hire but hey, he won't take the money!!!

Uhmm thats what he said not me, I am thrilled with the hire

If it were cap money I would not be thrilled, This is just Davis' pocket change

Apparently Kolton Miller is struggling at LT while Penn moves to RT.

So damn tough to draft solid NFL linemen day one these days. I wasn’t a huge fan of Miller ever, but almost every tackle seems to struggle in the league coming out of the draft.

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where did he mess up except for the iffy hold call

How could you not be? It’s what the Fade does.. Fire the last guy, bring in the next guy, rinse, repeat. It can only go up for a Fade fan. I think you’ve had the same amount of winning seasons as the Browns the last decade. Even if Chucky gets you to 8-8 it’s a major upgrade over the last 10+ years!

Ted Nguyen reported that Miller has been getting abused by Key and Irvin in camp.

Key has been a hot item in practice getting all sorts of praise,,In all fairness he played well against detroit, he is gonna have his shot at the job but if he is not ready Penn will be back over there

Is that a baseball diamond on the playing field?

Of course, I hate it and will be glad to never see it again

Raiders signed DRC

Just keep getting older LMAO

Dominique Rogers-Cromartie? He's still in the league?

Yes, 32 and coming off a pretty bad season.

Read this today:

"In 2017, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie's 0.78 yards per cover snap allowed ranked 8th among 91 cornerbacks that played 300+ coverage snaps"

Meh...its an OK depth signing I guess

Yup... ugh, I still miss marcus peters

I think they're gonna trade Mack to the Packers. The Pack are supposedly shopping Cobb, to make cap space.

I think Derek Carr is going to have a good year. Their OL is better with Kolton Miller and Donald Penn compared to whatever trash RT they had before that they cut.

Carr’s receivers are also better overall and he actually has a coach that knows what he’s doing. Can’t believe Todd Downing was their OC last year. My god that guy sucked LMAO

Downing is Carr’s buddy. He got mad because Musgrave was cursing him at him. Oakland chose Carr’s buddy. Heard this from John Middlekauf

They upgraded at RT but downgraded at LT. Miller has been getting beat like a drum by Irvin and Key all camp.

That was early reports, but not the case currently. Miller concerns me, but he looked pretty good against the Lions, and we'll see how he looks against a decent Packers team on Friday night.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: the Raiders have waived/injured DB Obi Melifonwu, their 2017 second round pick.</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1032726387382202371?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Probably hoping someone grabs him and his contract........otherwise if/when he clears waivers he will be right back on the Raiders IR

"#Raiders have put Khalil Mack on the trade block. #Jets, #Packers #Giants (among others) are interested.@JuMosq examines why Oakland’s in this position, where he’ll end up, and how gambling lines play into it all" $$$:https://t.co/g3AB7sYHxs pic.twitter.com/gBwv5NOJMj

— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) August 23, 2018
“The Raiders have fielded queries from more than a dozen teams, including several that have reached out multiple times, sources said.”

Ah hell, trade him

So....

They’re not extending him then? :D

He isn't on the trading block yet... He may be soon but as of now he is not

You’re trying to be as optimistic as you possibly can huh?

So no extension then? :D

As a Chiefs fan i wish the Raiders would get a blockbuster deal done and put them in perpetual cap hell. Honestly, the Raiders are right to not pay him.

That dude is NOT worth a massive contract. The media hype around him is dumb. He's not a game changer.

Look at his numbers. He's aight. He's not dominant and never has been.

Meh. I'll roll with his backup.

I’m fine with them giving him a ridiculous contract, but he’s not dominant?

I definitely don’t agree with that. He’s had more sacks than Miller over the last 3 years with absolutely no other real pass rushing threats around him.

He averages 10 sacks a season. Not exactly dominant.

He didn't log a single sack last season against the Chargers, and only had 1.5 sacks against the Chiefs.

4 Division games and only 1.5 sacks? That's not "Highest paid OLB" production.

Mack deserves Melvin Ingram money. Not Von Miller money.

Well yea if you want to include his rookie year where he only got 4 sacks because it fits your narrative so be it. Most pass rushers don’t come into the league and dominate day 1.

He’s averaged 12 sacks a year over the last 3 seasons. That’s pretty ****ing good. I’m not saying he’s the best edge rusher in the league, but he’s definitely top 3 and a dominant player.

10 sacks a year? Most teams have a guy that can get that. More than half.

Miller and Houston got that on what most would consider down years.

Mack is an overhyped Melvin Ingram.

Please, please please Raiders give him Von Miller money.

I’m pretty sure Mack’s #2 in sacks over the last 3 years. The only guy with more is Chandler Jones I believe. How is that not dominant?

12 sacks a season wouldn't put him in the top 5 for any of the past 3 seasons.

How can you say top 3?

He had ONE season in which he was a top 3 pass rusher. No other season has he cracked the top 5.

And don't tell me has has no help. Bruce Irvin was only two sacks short of Mack's total last season.

That's called consistency. Not dominance.

He's consistently "aight" since his 2nd year.

He does NOT take over a game.

I’ve confirmed it, he’s #2 in sacks over the last 3 years. What more do you want?

LMAO

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He hasn’t had one of those big 15+ sacks seasons, but those are rare and even guys hat have them don’t usually repeat it.

If he’s nowhere close to Von, then what’s the excuse for him outsacking him the last 3 years?

By your logic, Von has also been “consistent”, not dominant. Not even he deserves Von Miller money.

You're jumping the shark here and you know it. Von Miller absolutely dominated and carried Denver on his back on their SB run which led to his massive contract. It was one of the best OLB performance i've seen in a long, log time.

Houston put together a 22 sack campaign that led to his paycheck. They both had absolutely monster seasons.

If 15 sacks is the best Khalil can do, that's not good enough for #1 OLB money.

Mack, in his lone playoff game got 0.0 sacks.

Trying to compare his "dominance" to Miller is silly.

If you're going to remove his rookie season as an outlier, then it's fair to remove his 15 sack season as an outlier too, right?

So based off the past two seasons he averages 10.75 sacks a season.

That's aight.

That's worth aight money.

I understand what you’re saying about Miller/Houston, but I’m pointing out that by your logic Miller has only been consistent over the last 3 years, not dominant. Shit, you could also say there hasn’t been a dominant edge rusher in the league since then if you are going to say that. I agree with your take that they shouldn’t give him what he’s asking for, but I don’t agree that he’s not a dominant edge rusher.

We can agree to disagree though.

Well they don't have to give him one if they don't want to really..

He is in the last year of his rookie contract that pays him almost 14 million
Then if they want they can tag him for two years.

Raiders really are the ones who hold the leverage...

I would rather have 5 good players than 1 great player... Don't get me wrong, I like Mack but hey the mans gotta do what he's gotta do.

This is the thing that pisses me off about the NFL and contracts...

When players suck they don't give the money back but when they play good they don't want to honor their contract.

Lots of people want to balk because they say Gruden got 100 million... Gruden says it's not 100 million first off and second that money does not go against the cap.

I don't care either way, If he stays great, if he is traded just get his worth.

Right. I was trying to make a very (apparently) unfunny joke.

It works both ways. Teams put all these dollars in deals they never have any intention of ever paying.

I have no qualms about any player fighting for what they feel is adequate compensation.

The Raiders are stiffing Mack because they are cap and cash poor.

Packers backups driving down the field against the Raiders 1st team D

LMAO

Shut the **** up Mack isn’t playing

/R8RFAN

We who live in glass houses...

Did they score a TD? No? Then try not to trip over yourself as you walk it back.

For the short bus types doubting Mack, he's been hobbled by KNJ for three years. His sack production jumped immediately when KNJ got fired last year, and Guenther knows how to utilize players to their strengths. No more forcing round peg in square hole. Pretending Mack isn't one one the top 5 at worst defenders in the NFL is ignorant at worst, facking stupid at best.

LawrenceRaider pissed

What team is he going to play for?

They weren’t missing half their starters

Ah ... the dreaded quadruple negative. Well played, Mr. lawrenceRaider.

Confounding the enemy often leads to tactical advantage (so long as you don't confuse yourself in the process). Somewhere, Sun Tzu is smiling inscrutably.

FAX THE IMPRESSED AS HECK

So...uhhh....that first Bears drive...

Now we live in a glass house

lol....it was inevitable, IMO.

That was PJ Hall, Hurst and Arden Key playing on the line... All 3 are rookies and they are all 3 damn good rookies.

Nothing but evaluating players and experimenting with shit... Never understood people who get way up or way down on pre season football

Article seems pretty accurate now.

I would agree with the article except for this one point - yes, it isn't 1998 any longer. it is, indeed, 2018. So what?

The game of football is EXACTLY the same as it was in 1998. It is still played on a 100 yard field. Still played by teams with 11 men on the field. 11 on Offense and 11 on Defense.

So, for the author to state that the game has somehow "magically" transformed from what it was in '98 to something completely different in '18 is ridiculous.

True - Gruden is an "old school" coach. So what? Is he competent (too early to tell) or is he a complete buffoon (too early to tell). We'll soon know, however. Hopefully he falls flat on his face. But the game, however, will STILL be the same.

How often do you think sub packages were used in 1998 as opposed to 2018? Did they use a lot of RPO's and read options in 1998? Were shotgun spread formations one of the most popular formations in the NFL? How about the rules? Have they changed at all?

I'm pretty sure NOBODY is claiming the NFL is an entirely different sport. It's changed a lot in 20 years.

Sub packages were being used when I played football for the University of Louisville in the 70s. Nothing new there.

Look at Bob Sutton (example). The game hasn't passed him by. His philosophy has passed HIM by. He refuses to leave what doesn't work (putting LBs 30 yards down the field in coverage when they aren't fast enough to be doing that) and has forgotten that with an attacking defense - the offense is always on the back foot.

If Chuckie comes out attacking - watch what happens. QBs will be running for their lives all day. If a QB is constantly having to leave the pocket (especially BEFORE he is ready) - he is doomed and we all know it. I have watched game after game, season after season (since Sutton came) and I can call the EXACT Defense that will be called from one play to the next. If I (an old man) can do that - what do you suppose every other team in the NFL is doing?

Football has always been (and will always be) a simple game of Chess. The board doesn't change. The field doesn't change. Sometimes, it pays to go "back to the future"…if you know what I mean….

Hell, I want Chuckie to fall flat on his face - but until the NFL figures out what he is doing from one week to the next - it won't happen. So, at least for this year, odds are, he is safe. But by next year, the "computer models" will be all over him…

THAT is what has changed about the NFL.

Since all you guys are so hung up on taking the game back to 1998, What exactly do you think has changed with the exception of the over sensitive uber greed of the game?

Offense for one, the way the game is officiated, how strict practice regulations are now, etc.

Look, no "Offense" intended :) But the game is STILL the same as it was way back when. The object of the game is for the Offense to score touchdowns and it is the job of the Defense to prevent that from happening. Today, it is STILL done the same way - with the exception of million dollar computer system and their "predictions" and 75 coaches and trainers….and multi-million dollar training facilities.

Honestly - if the game had changed much over the years - how do you suppose that there are (for the most part) only 2 base defenses? Suttle changes, granted, but it is still, "Cover your man and I'll cover mine".

I WILL give you the idea that the officiating has gone to shit. Hell, when you think about it - there were less "career ending" injuries BEFORE all these changes in officiating went into effect - most, (my opinion), is nothing more than giving the Zebra guys Television time…

Ed Hochuli and his "guns" were talked about every game. That part of it is screwed up. LMAO

I want to go back to the days when the officials were there to break up fights and walk off the 10 yard penalties while holding the ball out at arms length. :)

Good take... That bs leading with the helmet bullshit is going to determine the outcome of many games this year.

The Raiders have the oldest roster since it has been tracked. Average age is 27.4.

The Raiders have a Gruden problem
 

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The Silver and Black Today radio show became Raider Nation’s Sunday morning therapy session as we discussed the big news of the Khalil Mack trade and what it means for the Raiders moving forward.

Former NFL general manager and player personnel executive Michael Lombardi of The Athletic joined us to give us his insight on why the deal is better for the Raiders than most think. He also stated it was the right move if Jon Gruden is following a philosophy similar to Bill Belichick in New England.

Have you not noticed the evolution of the spread offense in the league?

The players are even different in this era of football than 1998. Doesn’t take an expert to notice these changes

Meaningless statistic. What is average age of starters? If that is oldest ever, then you'll have something. Several old guys are deep bench players.

LMAO Yeah, the Belicheck method only works because Belicheck has the greatest QB of all time on the offensive side of the ball. He can afford to let lower caliber players that want too much money go, like Collins. Mack isn't that player. I'm pretty sure if Mack was on the Patriots he would've signed the lucrative extension. Belicheck has proven in the past with players like Revis if you're a generational talent he'll pay you.

Lombardi is an idiot.

Gruden press conference coming up on NFLN’s Total Access.

At 7 CT . Should be entertaining. I will point at him and laugh

It’s coming up.