I don't know. I can't imagine they'll trade any of them.

I'm fine with Houston. That's a big number, but he's still a really good player.

Berry just can't not play. You can't do that again. I don't know what happens there.

Hitchens is a mystery to me. He was a really good player in Dallas. I guess be hopeful the new DC uses him better?

Just ask the 12-4 Chargers how they felt on the road in the divisional round only because another team won their division.

We can agree that it was a bad idea. "Foolish and reckless"? I don't know if I'd go that far. But we're closer to agreeing than you think.

Then they probably need a scheme change to justify the values of what they are paying some of these players. Move Houston around more similar to how the Patriots move their front 7 guys around. Don't have him on the same side of the field all game doing nonsense roles you can get a 4th round pick to do.

Hitchens needs help, new scheme, new teammates next to him, everything.

I agree with that Berry might be a complete sunk cost. He looks toast.

All of this.

I think with Berry you've just gotta get the surgery and get him to 100% and hope.

I refuse to believe Hitchens just sucks.

Give me a new better DC and some reinforcements and see what happens I guess.

Yes yes and yes...it seems like we too many times we just line up and run what we run, there's no deception or trying to put doubt in the opposing QB's head or anything.

Move guys around, fake things, try new concepts...hell anything lol.

The Pats DL stunted on something like 56 percent of their snaps Sunday. The Chiefs do it once?

The reason the offense is so deadly is that Andy is always scheming guys open, plus the guys are super talented. It's not like that on d. It's all relying on the guys to make the play themselves. They don't get help via the scheme.

I've added that to my wish list..

I hope we'll have other chances, but I agree that this was a huge lost opportunity. The #1 seed, a weak #2 seed, and the offense we had? That doesn't happen very often. It's painful to know that we should be in the Super Bowl, but aren't.

Yep, that's what I want.

People keep saying the Pats were weaker than normal. Based on how they lost 1-2 more meaningless regular season games than they usually do? The Patriots are Golden State. They don’t GAF about the regular season. When it’s playoff time, they do their thing. Back in the Super Bowl like ****ing boring always.

That's the Chiefs role in the NFL's troope. Kind of like the never before seen actor in the James T. Kirk era Star Trek, you knew that dude's role was almost always to die... Instead we're more like South Park's Kenny, we just always get killed...

When we’re hosting next year’s AFC Championship Game, somebody bump this up.

I hope you're not suggesting doing that during the game? We're lucky to keep the server running for the chat and the game thread, so it might be wise to lock all other threads during the game. LMAO

But yes, in the week before next year's AFCCCG, it would be fun to bump this thread and reminisce...

Trust me, I’ll do it myself if that happens.

With the Patriot's shithole division it took a Miami miracle for us to host this year. We may be in the Championship game again, but I seriously doubt we'll be hosting it.

Or hope that the Pats are upset before the AFCCG, has always worked for the Steelers.

Our BEST shot is year 1 of starting Mahomes?!?
I really hope you don't believe that. That makes it seem like you think Mahomes has peaked, which he has not.
This was just the FIRST shot, and a great chance, but there will be others.
We won't always have the league's worst D.

Defense could be better offense could get worse.

either way Brady is another year older.

And when we're not, I'll bump it by quoting this post.

Will Mahomes have another 50 TD and 5000 yard season next year? History says probably not. But I don't think the offense is just going to tank after this season. The defense just needs to work on getting closer to ****ing average and we'll be right back there again.

I agree in some ways, to be basically one drive from the Super Bowl and not make it, that's tough. There's zero guarantee we're back in this position next year. You can't account for health, the schedule, etc. Plus as much as people don't want to hear it, it's entirely possible the defense doesn't get any better if Veach doesn't have a great off-season. As Chiefs fans we know all about being unbalanced on one side of the ball and spending resources to fix the other side and it doesn't happen.

That said, we clearly have a coach who can get a team to the playoffs and we have a QB who has clearly demonstrated that no situation is too big for him. We'll be in the mix.

The key to hosting the next AFCCG is finding offensive balance. Reid needs to act like a HC not like an OC overjoyed with his QB.
I doubt this D can be made respectable in a single offseason. The offense has to play more controlled and keep that potential disaster off the field especially if Bob is back.

Never say never. Dan Marino peaked in 1984 at Mahomes’ current age.

We spent our entire 2018 draft on defense, other than one sixth round pick, and the defense declined. That's worrisome.

Feel like the offense the last 10 games showed realistically who we are as an offense. Less fireworks, more down to earth but still outstanding. The fact that mahomes almost practically singlehandedly beat the patriots in one of his worst performances of the year speaks volumes to this team's ceiling. And Hard to imagine he isn't going to get even better.

Year 1 of 15.

We will be okay.

Go home, OP, because you're drunk.

The next 15 years are our best shot. Enjoy the ride. I absolutely HATE the people referring to this as a wasted season. It was awesome.

Wasted season? No. Wasted golden opportunity? Yes.

We just had an all-time great season out of our QB on a rookie contract and not even a SB appearance to show for it

How was it not wasted?

Dude you're the guy who goes around and plays Mr. Hindsight about the Alex Gordon contract to everyone who will listen even though people loved the move at the time. If we're sitting here in 5 or 6 years and this team hasn't had a better shot than a 4th quarter lead at home in the AFC CG you're going to be the first one complaining.

This x 15

A coin flip away from the Superbowl isn’t a wasted season. Someone needs to find that coin and ceremonial destroy it though.

I dub thee coin flip game.

As long as Patrick Mahomes stays healthy we will always have a good shot at a SB. We will have Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce for the foreseeable future. We still have Watkins for atleast 2 more seasons. So the offense will be a juggernaut for a while. I know we didnt make it to the SB (we were literally there if not for a ****ing offsides penalty that will make me sick to think about the restcof the offseason) I think this year was proof that with with a power house O you will always have a chance to make it even if your D is complete garbage.

Hell with a top 25 D this team is probably undefeated and we are probably in the SB. So the O is only going to be better next year with everyone returning. Mahomes gets another offseason with his receivers and gets his deep ball timing with Hill down, then this offense is even better than this year was. If the Defense gets just a little bit better, which I think can be done with a different coordinator, then we have a very high chance of winning the whole thing.

Berrys old broke dick ass should have never played and I think we win that game. Gronk abused him and hes slow and broke.

Im pissed about the loss, but I think we will have this opportunity a bunch more.

Yep, nothing at all has changed since 1984. The game is exactly the same as it was 35+ years ago. As goes Dan, so goes PMII? :rolleyes:

In 3 or 4 years Brady will be retired and Mahomes will take over. I have a hard time seeing this year as a better opportunity than that.

I get you man. I really do. But we just had the best season we’ve ever had since 1970. That’s damn good for the first year of the Mahomes era.

Idk if I’m too worried about Pat getting paid. That won’t kick in until 2021 and Berry and Houston will be off the books.

Hate to be Debbie Downer here, but realistically - the window is the next two years.

Once Patrick signs the biggest deal in NFL history ($200+M according to Schefter?) it's going to be hard to keep this stable of All Stars.

Christ, we have cap problems NOW and he's on a rookie deal.

Veach has his work cut out for him.

take a nap bitch

This was not our best shot.

This team has 15-1 potential.

We’re bringing back basically the entire offense plus whatever may be added. We’re now replacing Sutton and adding to the defense.

This team is going to be extremely dangerous next year.

You don't know this, and I completely hate this attitude. Not just from you, but from everyone else wringing their hands over this rookie deal-horse shit. How many ****ing teams do you think are going to accomplish a Super Bowl with their second year starting QB? Not many.

I told you and several others who kept proclaiming that "defense was dead"/"defense didn't matter", and that the Chiefs were going to pass-pass-pass their way to a Super Bowl were completely out of your ****ing minds. And lo and behold, what came to pass? Exactly what I told you.

The Chiefs don't need 4 weapons on offense for Patrick Mahomes. They need at most 2 proven, outstanding guys coupled with some smart players who can be above average, and a WHOLE LOT of O-line fixing. If you give Mahomes time in the pocket, he, like Brady, will kill you.

What the Chiefs DO NEED, is a defense that can perform better than 31st overall for the season, and who know how to read an offense and adjust accordingly. Thankfully, step one of the process has just occurred. Today.
They don't even need to be top 10. Or top 15 for that matter. Of course I personally want better, but I'm talking about 2019. NE defense finished at #21 overall for the regular season. If the Chiefs can get their defense even in the low 20's for 2019, they have every shot in the world of re-seeding at #1.

To sum up, this was NOT our best chance. Not at all. And an aging Tom Brady with a stout O-line, a below average defense, and great coaching combined with a refusal to lose attitude and organization just marched right in to Arrowhead Stadium, and proved my very point to you and everyone else.

We'll be back and PMII will lead and be the face of this league, but first we have some work to do and some ruthlessness to acquire.

That's nice. But why not 16-0?

It's a valid point. How many AFC Championship games have we hosted? Anyone?

Doesn't mean it's gonna be our only shot, but it really may have been the best shot we'll see, the easiest road to the Super Bowl. We were better than the Pats, and that game was clearly winnable. Period. But we (again...) got outcoached. We blew a real, palpable shot at a title.

It sucks, I know. But it is what it is.

'There's always next year'.

The journey was insanely fun. I get that people want to beat their chests as victors, but damn, enjoy the journey. This was the most fun I've had as a Chiefs fan ever. I can't imagine how that is a waste.

Yea it was fun, but it ended it typical Because Chiefs fashion. That’s not good enough for me and never will be.

The Chiefs overcame a 14-0 lead in the second half and took the lead with 2 minutes to go. They were literally 6 inches from a masterful comeback over Bill and tom.

I just can't get to outcoached. They lost in overtime because a guy lined up in the neutral zone.

I take what Terez says as gospel. This guy has contacts and I think Veach is going full on Rams this Spring. Get ready for a wild ride.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Please know they&#39;re going to do everything they can to load up this defense and this team next year.&quot; - <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TerezPaylor</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@610SportsKC</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; 610 Sports Radio (@610SportsKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC/status/1087825853956976641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jalen Ramsey please please please :grovel:

The lack of good options at DC makes me feel even worse.

And I have very little confidence in Veach at this point.

Jessie Bates and Justin Reid were ****ing aweomse this year while we got Breeland ****ing Speaks.

Man, for someone who likes to go around shitting on people for "bad emotional takes", you're really being a melodramatic crybaby today.

Jalen Ramsey is a bad idea for this team right now. They need those picks to get cheaper contributors. You can’t make Mahomes, Hill, and Jones all $18M+ per year players AND add Ramsey on top of that. Especially when Mahomes will be double that $18M per year number.

its actually 3 more years of cheap Mahomes. The Chiefs have a 5th year option. And remember we only have two more years of football and there is going to be strike/shutout that’s goung to last awhile.

Everyone’s back on offense. We will have a new DC and drafted defensive players. Probably add Earl Thomas at safety in FA.

What a ridiculous take. How is it our "best shot" with that defense?

Mahomes will win a Super Bowl. Probably multiple Super Bowls. The future is bright.

This was our best shot at a SB, it was a big one, since probably 1972. This doesn't mean it is the best shot we have coming though. I believe we will have better teams in the future which will allow for many more opportunities, possibly if not probably even a better one.

Peyton Manning didn't win a SB until year 9.

You’re probably right, but I honestly felt this way before we lost.

Every time my buddies tried to tell me it wouldn’t be the end of the world if the Chiefs lost because of Mahomes I said I know enough Dolphins fans to remember what happened to Marino.

Seriously, go to sleep

Why are people saying this? Why is this one going to be so much harder to negotiate then any others in the past?

This was the first of many years with Mahomes, and the defense literally can not get much worse. We'll be fine.

It’s not frustrating that our safeties absolutely sucked this year and the two guys CP liked at our pick had great rookie seasons while we got a backup OLB that will probably need to move inside?

Shhhhhhhhhhh

LMAO

( there was a music box playing in this movie on the TV while I was reading this )

Well we just took the first step to fixing our biggest problem, so we're making strides toward another "good" chance at least. God willing the O will stay awesome, PH stays healthy, and the D gets to something closer to 16th (or better) in the league.

Didn’t reach the conference title game until year 6, where they lost to the Patriots