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If Tyreek Hill was a model citizen he wouldn't be a Chief ... he would have been a top 10 pick in the 2016 draft. I am surprised the Chiefs got 3 good years out of him before something blew up. Time to move on. It was going to happen at some point.
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You know who the bigger winner in this is?
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Tyreek probably has Schizophrenia, anger issues, plus some improper parenting when Tyreek was a child. |
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He would probably ask you what it would take to use a belt, and when you said nothing would make you, he would be as appalled that you wouldn’t use a belt that many people are that he does use a belt. Using a belt for discipline isn’t like some evolutionary instinct we have to suppress. He learned it growing up, probably thinks it helped him given his career success, and sees no issue with using it on his kid but instead truly thinks it is a positive method of discipline. The problem is the person he had a kid with likely wasn’t a positive enforcement on encouraging him to change or may even agree with those tactics. Getting him to change his views on it would be very difficult as he would just point to the successful results of his own upbringing. Of course that doesn’t mean the attempts shouldn’t be made. |
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Hill had known issues with anger. Serious violence. The Chiefs knew and did the rest of the NFL. Thats why he dropped to to us in the 5th. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong, Clark had issues with violence before the draft. The Chiefs trade for him. give him a ton of money. Will history repeat itself. |
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You got a habit of just throwing shit out there hoping it will stick. Or it's the fact you feel you have to say something, to add to the cause when you have no proof of it! |
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Good thing Mahomes is immune to petty shit...the gods like him better than everyone else. |
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Let's say you have a kid, and you're among the best at what you do in your field. A new benefit package is instituted at your work to show their appreciation for you. "In four years if you keep up your same level of productivity while also doing absolutely nothing to make us think you're a giant piece of shit in your domestic life, we will pay you 10s of millions of dollars in guaranteed money to continue working for us, thereby setting you and your family up financially for the rest of your life." All you have to do is make sure nobody gets the slightest notion in their head, whether true or false, that you might be even sorta abusive. That's it. Would you still discipline your child with a belt? I'm not proposing this hypothetical to debate the morality of using the belt or any other implement to discipline your kid. I'm saying if that offer came to you, do you really think using a belt on your kid is the way to go? Do you think you would continue to use that mode of discipline as a parent and not think anything of the possibility that your work might view that as behavior unworthy of their mega millions in cash reward? That's what I'm getting at. Tyreek was THIS close to getting those millions, and he did that to his ****ing kid anyway. |
I'm going from waking up every morning and checking to see if we executed a blockbuster trade to waking up every morning to see if Tyreek has been released.
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Okay, so you don't want to cut Hill so that another team gets a shot at him. Where do you draw the line?
If one of these dudes beat the shit out of your wife or child, would you still hope the Chiefs held onto him if he could take the top off of a defense? |
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I understand that tradition and the frustration of parenting make spanking acceptable to a lot of people, and I don't judge those people for being raised to believe it's ok. But based on what I've learned about how trauma affects people, I will never, ever spank my own kids. Ever. |
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Corporal punishment with a damn belt? What kind of belt? I'm pretty sure that some belts are designed to hurt more than others. Some belts will simply leave welts while others are embedded with metal that cuts right through to the bone. And I'm sure some guys consider the buckle the business end. Why not beat the kid with a snowshoe? Or strangle him with a pair of pants? WTF are we talking about here? FAX |
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Clark got bent over last time and his asshole probably still hurts. |
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I believe you are missing the point. Mainly that while a belt is appalling to you, it probably isn’t to him (in fact it might a great tool to him) and therefore questions like what the kid could do to deserve it are not relevant in his perspective. It might be like someone who is appalled by spanking asking a parent who regular spanks occasionally for discipline what they could possibly do to deserve it. |
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I remember once I was goofing off in the grocery store. A woman I didn't know smacked the shit out of me, then grabbed me by my ear and took me to my mom and told her what I did and what she did. Mom's reaction - she was mortified - not because a stranger had hit her child, but because her child had created a situation that warranted a stranger hitting her child. So she smacked the shit out of me again, thanked the woman and apologized for my behavior. Then, after we got home, I got my ass kicked a third time. Now, this was well over 40 years ago, and I don't even remember what I did in the first place to rate those three beatings, but I'm damned sure I never did it again. I guess you'd want the woman in the grocery store to get 20 years hard labor, right? :shake: |
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Unless you count the bus attack on the coach. They couldn't fix him, either. FAX |
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The whole, "Kareem Hunt came back to bite them" thing is bullshit. In the case of Hunt, yes, the Chiefs knew what they were getting into and they ****ing did it anyway. Hunt was far more of a blindside to them (and probably whoever else in this league that would have ended up drafting him). He was graded in the 3rd round by a lot of teams. Things that dropped him were things like the lack of breakaway speed, the heavy workload in college, the highlights only against small conference schools and talent, etc. Sure, "He has anger issues" probably was known by teams when they evaluated his personality and fit in a locker room, but let's not claim that he dropped to the 3rd round because of that. That's just inaccurate. |
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It's possible to be firm and assertive and discipline your kids without coming close to traumatizing them. It's just a lot harder than kicking their ass and being done with it. |
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If the Chiefs win the AFCCG, does it make you a better parent? Does it make you better at your job? It's a fun thing to discuss and complain, and get excited about, but it's still just a form of entertainment. That's all it is. If you pass the buck because the NFL won't make a policy you are condoning the behavior. And if the Chiefs have to lose a few football games because they aren't going to give millions of dollars to people who are societal menaces, I'm okay with that. Maybe you're not. |
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And you don't get your mega millions. Thanks for playing. You just lost the game of life. The work still would have owed you that money if you made it the four years and then started disciplining your kid that way again. |
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My dad should have gone to prison for sure, the dog should have been put down. |
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Rationalize it however you want, but there's absolutely no way that experience had a positive effect on you. It sucks how this society teaches us that we deserve to be treated like shit from such an early age. |
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Maybe you don’t care about it but it is relevant when asking about what could make, in his mind, that punishment be deserved. |
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Howver, that becomes a little bit harder to reconcile when you look at rates of violent crime in the US over time. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ted_States.png |
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I really hope Tyreek can get the work he needs and later reconcile with the boy and they can go on to a loving relationship at some point. Tragic. |
Clark Hunt could come out looking like a hero on this. If he is the one to force Roger to care about the children.
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This is the sort of mentality that churns out the Tyreek Hills and Adrian Petersons of the world. We internalize the terrible shit that happens to us and inevitably go on to inflict it on others. The cycle continues indefinitely. This stuff is so depressing. (Oops, not supposed to get depressed, either. Sorry.) |
Maybe the Chiefs just aren't particularly good at "fixing" people.
Then again, maybe that's not their job. Maybe their job is to put a team on the field that wins football games. Maybe a significant number of players emerge from bad families and bad neighborhoods. And maybe the college experience is insufficient to provide a foundation that allows players to alter their behavioral patterns. Maybe when you give a guy like that an assload of fame and fortune, they simply can't handle it. It that's true, maybe an NFL team is simply not equipped to provide the necessary psychological services to change a person's life. And if so, why would we expect any other outcome in these cases? Why should we expect anything at all? Other than wins, that is. Football teams are not intervention services designed to improve society. It would be nice if they were, but is that a reasonable burden to place on organizations that have no such expertise and are actually devoted to and encourage controlled violence? FAX |
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Violent crime would be 18 year olds and over right? (Don’t know really). If so that graph shows the biggest decline is mid 90s and sort of levels off in early 2000s with continual gradual decreases. But for the biggest change you are looking at kids born late 70s and early 80s as the youngest options with most born earlier. Just based on my perception the less frequency of physical discipline is actually more of a last 20-25 years thing but is good to see a continual steady decline. I guess what caused the increase might be a discussion as well though. |
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Maybe a shitty upbringing combined with a violent sport is the problem. Maybe a percentage of the player base can’t flip the light switch off when the game is over. But no one will want to talk about that.
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I don’t want Tyreek Hill to be able to play football for the Chiefs ever again. I think he should probably have to go to prison for a full year and prove to society that he understands what he did and that there will be more severe consequences if this were to ever happen again. Rehabilitation needs to happen immediately. It’s horrific to think that he hit this child while he was still in the womb and likely broke his arm at age 3. Terrible. But I do believe that out of 31 other nfl teams, one of them is willing to be stupid enough to roll the dice with Hill. He is a damaged commodity that is sure to have diminished value, but there is likely still some value there. If he’s ever going to play again, KC should own that value and be able to extract it. If he’s going to play again, some dumb team should have to pay a pick for the chance. |
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Charts. Now we have charts.
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Why is the guy who runs around constantly screaming different variations of "****" and "SHIT" and the occasional "yip" all of a sudden Dr Phil lite? It's ****ing bizzare.
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Make no mistake..Hill is a bonafide superstar who was about to be the highest paid WR in the world.
Chiefs are going to handle this differently than Hunt....generational talent buys you that. It will show you exactly where the line of faux morality ends and true talent begins. You dont just haphazardly kick Hill to curb.. |
If it was recorded in Dubai it might be considered illegal recording
Either way though if he would have lived in Missouri instead of OP Kansas this likely never sees the light of day. Best bet would have been to ditch that girl and not hurt the child |
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If someone believes certain events had positive effects on them, denying them those beliefs because they don’t fit your view of how they should feel is not really how it works. Now if you observe them beating kids or others excessively and they express rage unhealthily that’s different but without that you really can’t say it had no positive effects. |
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Violent crime rates began dropping shortly after 1990. That's 29 years ago. Corporal punishment was unheard of in my elementary and secondary experience which started in '88 and ran through 2000, and while the rates of people who agree that spanking is acceptable has declined, it's a very gradual decline over the last 25 years. Rates of corporal punishment have also declined over the last generation, and the practice is largely unheard of now outside of the South. As a parent that has used spanking as a redirect, I'm not against it, but there is no compelling evidence that things like paddling or using a belt lead to better outcomes. If there were, one would expect a relative change in the rate of various offenses, but the data is not there. Every older generation thinks younger generations are soft pussies, and every older generation overrates their toughess. I'm old enough to remember when the 50-somethings on this board were all labeled as morose, navel-gazing slackers by their parents. It was a bullshit characterization, too. Part of a parent's job is to discipline their child and instill a set of morals and values in them, but I don't think the child should never fear the parent. |
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I didn’t connect that you were discussing punishment beyond simple spanking. So that form of corporal punishment definitely has been in decline longer than spanking. After thinking about it for a minute I think some major global war events definitely contributed to those rapidly rising numbers prior to the 1990s decline. |
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And the helicopter parent argument has been around this entire century, yet there's no spike in apparent delinquency? |
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The kind of guy who could raise an entire infantry platoon of outstanding citizens and do it barefoot. FAX |
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