Moses Malone vs. Karl Malone would be a more apt comparison. The former also won a ring and had a higher peak, albeit he lacked the career numbers and durability that Karl Malone had.

I don't see it. TG was great, but he wasn't the difference-maker Kelce is. TG redefined the TE position, and never won shit. Kelce redefined the TE position again, and is a winner.

As someone else said, Kelce is the evolution of TG.

I think it's an excellent example of peak vs. duration, though.

Malone, statistically, exceeds the raw counting stats of Jordan. But the rate stats clearly favor Jordan. The question of peak vs. duration also reflects on the respective post-season resumes of the party.

No analogue is going to be completely perfect but man, I think that's a really good one. Jordan is the GOAT among all players - air reserved for Jerry Rice in the NFL, IMO. But Malone is likely a top 10-15 guy in his own right due to duration.

I mean if you want to take post-season accolades out of the equation and just compare them to TEs, would Kareem vs. Jordan suit you better?

So in qb terms you think kelce is Jordan and gonzalez is Philip rivers? Surely you don’t believe that.

TG would be a Dan Marino, although Marino made it to a Super Bowl.

Thats more in line with what I’ve been saying. Exceptionally talented player but doesn’t remotely close to the intangibles of a Montana or Brady (or obviously mahomes, who has the intangibles plus athletic talent). Great for the eyeball test but just doesn’t measure up among the best of the best.

Moses Malone, even at his apex, wasn't doing things that hadn't been done before.

Kelce is.

This is a dude that had a legitimate shot at leading the NFL in receiving yards as a tight end (we sat him for game 16, IIRC). A guy who's setting benchmarks for CAREER thresholds at the same time he's doing it in consecutive seasons.

We've never seen a tight end hit these kind of height with this kind of sustainability. This really is unparalleled stuff.

Wait - now Dan Marino 'doesn't measure up among the best of the best...'?

I truly don't know what we're doing anymore. This has gone beyond tragedy into farce.

Gonzalez is Wilt Chamberlain & Kelce is Jordan.


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Dan Marino is the best thrower of the football in the history of the league. Every legit QB evaluator in the know brings up Marino when they talk about all timers.

"Intangibles"

What.....what?

If we’re talking GOAT I am not putting him in the same conversation as Brady. And ultimately not with mahomes. No.

And as I’ve said over and over again, pure athletic talent is not how you measure the best of the best of the best. It puts you up there but it is the intangibles that put you over the top. Marino was exceptionally better at every physical dimension over Brady. Who’s picking Marino over Brady?

TG's QBs over his KC career:

Grbac/Gannon
Green
Huard
Croyle

Green had just three 4000+yd seasons and just three seasons throwing for more than 20 TDs, all with TG. And he was by far the best of the bunch during TG's time in KC.

Of course it was a different era, and TG was not the focus of the offense the way TK has been since 2013.

Another way to look at the question is how good would prime TG be now? Would he still be one of the best TEs in 2022? i think he would be. In a decent offense with a good QB he'd still be a top-5 TE, imo. Not as productive as TK or Kittle, but probably at least as good as Andrews if not better.

TG lead the league in receptions in 2004 and was 7th in yds that year. In an era that didn't throw near like they do today.

If TG was playing with Mahomes in his prime, he would put up the same amount of catches, less yds but more TD's than TK. With the struggles we have on the goal line, TG would solve those problems.

And before anyone says well TG wouldn't get the targets\catches because Hill was on this team, just remember 35 yd TG had over 80 catches a year in Atlanta playing with Julio Jones and Roddy White.

I'm wondering how much basketball some of you watch. Kareem's postseason accomplishments are pretty damn good. I don't see Jordan as much better, especially if you count NCAA careers. Karl Malone is not a 10-15 all-time player. He's maybe top 20.

Back to football. Tony G is not a 10-15 all-time TE. He's top 5 at worst. He and Kelce both have a claim to best ever. There isn't a large gap between them, if any.

Postseason success is being overrated here. Nobody mentions the postseason when Barry Sanders or Dick Butkus get discussion as the greatest at their position. Why is it different here? RB or MLB are even more important than TE. Tight ends don't carry teams to Super Bowls. The Chiefs would still be a modern juggernaut if you swap Kelce and Gonzalez. Kelce isn't winning Super Bowls with Grbac/Green/Huard.

yep very true

That's why I said you'd need to remove the post-season accolades to make the analogy work - Kareem has an outstanding post-season record. 6 rings and 2 (arguably 3?) Finals MVPs is more than "pretty damn good". People were trying to note that Kelce has a ring and a ton of post-season success around that Lombardi - TG has effectively NONE. I'm removing that from the calculus.

And again, while I disagree with you w/r/t Malone not being a top 10-15 player (I think his resume speaks for itself), I offered Kareem as an alternative for that very reason.

Because anyone who DOESN'T believe Abdul-Jabbar is a top 5 all time player probably needs to brush up on their history a bit. That dude was out there snatching souls in Milwaukee. And while most people remember him for his time in LA, those 5 years he spent with the Bucks were some of the most dominant years of all time as well.

So again - if you want to simply remove all discussion of the postseasons successes of TG/TK and focus on peak vs. duration, Abdul-Jabbar vs. Jordan really shouldn't be the kind of comparison that offends anyone.

Kareem detonated seemingly every meaningful counting stat there was to detonate but he didn't do it by having a sustained high peak - he did it by playing for 20 mostly healthy seasons. Jordan, OTOH, at his peak was simply better than anyone that had done it before or since.

Agreed on that comment. Lynn Swann is living proof of that - 3 Pro Bowls in a 9 year career. 1st Team All Pro 1 time. Never had over 880 Yards Receiving in a season. But those Post Season catches and SB's got him into Canton.......

I always thought it was due to his appearance in The Water Boy

Fair enough but Wilt had an even higher peak IMO. Kareem's peak in Milwaukee was also no worse than Jordan's.

Kelce's peak is probably higher than that of Gonzalez, but not by much. Gonzalez was also putting up numbers no other TE had previously. We have to consider the eras and the difference in QBs. Gonzalez was mugged frequently without any penalties called. Defensive holding and PI are called tighter today than 20 years ago. Also, modern tacklers can't lead with their helmet. That would make Gonzalez even more challenging to tackle. With his size and the current rules, Gonzalez has better numbers in today's league than 20 years ago, even considering his lack of speed.

I have no problem with someone saying Kelce is better, but I don't see large gap or a huge difference in their peaks. The biggest difference I see is team accomplishments. I think that skews perspectives greatly. Also, many posters can't overlook Tony's personality when comparing the two. Kelce is more beloved for a reason being a nice dude who helped us win a Super Bowl. Understandable.

I don't disagree necessarily.

But Travis Kelce is 9-6 in the post-season and has made several MASSIVE plays to propel the Chiefs to victory in those 15 games. Lost in the come-back against Houston was that they simply had NO answer for what he was doing to them. It was dirty. His post-season run during the 'run it back' season is one for the ages.

The Tennessee game completely flipped on its head the moment he went down. He was destroying the Titans and when he got hurt the offense just completely seized up.

What he's done in the post-season has been exceptional.

Tony Gonzalez, OTOH, has a 1-6 record w/ 286 career receiving yards on 41 targets. And 4 of those games came with Matt Ryan under center, 2 of them with Trent Green - these aren't scrubs. And TG averaged 40 receiving yards/gm.

Kelce has 3 separate playoff runs that individually surpass anything Gonzalez did in his entire post-season career. He averages 86 receiving yards/gm. His TD rate goes up over his regular season numbers. He YPG go up. His level of play exceeds his regular season level. TGs didn't. Ever.

Are championships alone dispositive in the discussion? Nah - like I said, I won't use ring counts here. But has Travis Kelce undeniably obliterated TG's post-season resume? Lord, it's not even close. I mean take the 7 WORST games of Kelce's post-season career and he smokes Gonzalez.

And given that the question is 'who was more valuable' - shouldn't the fact that one of them was a damn site harder to deal with when the lights shone brightest count for at least SOMETHING?

Which was why I attempted to discuss Witten as a reasonable proxy. And he really is - it's startling how similar their careers were and during a period that largely overlaps...

Yet NOBODY on this board would ever say that Kelce and Witten are in the same league. And the difference in that reaction is not because TG was about 10% better than Witten over a 270 game sample size.

Tony was the face of the franchise for a decade. And at that TIME he was universally beloved. So while you say that people are giving Kelce too much credit due to team accomplishments - I think there's an argument to make that putting TG in the same tier in terms of Kelce when discussing their respective peaks is given TG too much credit without acknowledging his faults. If he were that much more dangerous than his contemporaries, you'd think he'd have smoked Witten's career numbers, no?

Yet here we are. 8 yards/gm over Witten. 1/2 a catch/gm. 2 TDs/yr. Added value, sure - but enough to really let him hang with Kelce? I just don't see it.

:popcorn:This is great stuff!

Gonzalez only played a few postseason games in KC. He was 21 in 1997. He was green as hell. Caught a TD and had a controversial one called back. I believe he scored the Chiefs only TD in that game.

His next playoff game was 6 years later! Think about that. The infamous "No Punt Game". He did fine in that game. Certainly wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop Peyton Manning. Does Kelce stop Peyton in that game? Probably not.

His next playoff game was 4 years later! Do you see the pattern here? The infamous Herman Edwards "Run, Run, Pass, Punt" game. He had the team's only TD in garbage time. Sure, he could have played better but the gameplan was vanilla trash that day.

I didn't follow his Atlanta career much. I know he made some Pro Bowls in his later years but his playoff career in KC is not his fault as outlined above.

But at a point the resume is the resume.

Excuse it away if you want but the league is littered with but/for cases.

You can't NOT give Kelce credit in this conversation because of justifications for where Gonzalez simply doesn't compare.

Do or do not. Kelce did. Often.

Gonzalez did not. That means something.

This was the post that started it all.. lol

I honestly don't understand how you can look at this post and argue against it:

The difference between the 2003 Chiefs squad and the 2019 squad winning/not winning the Super Bowl did not come down to the difference in TG and TK's leadership style.

A great deal of this sport is about opportunity. There's just no way around it.

I don’t think in the end gonzalez is nearly on the same tier when it comes to GOAT. Again, I believe he was exceptionally gifted as an athlete and way more than you give him credit for. But in the end I believe it’s kelce and gronk. Gonzo in the next tier with witten with maybe Antonio gates hanging in there, If you only focus on his prime. And while i like my guy way more I think aside from durability anyone lobbying for gronk has a solid enough case.

Leadership is a soft factor. It is not the only factor. It is also about knowing when to use your skills for what purpose. I still stand behind kelces comparison to jerry rice. There are so many things he did that transcended pure athleticism. A ton of his production was late in games because his workout endurance was off the charts. He had elite athleticism to change direction but that is all set up by an insane understanding of selling his routes and going exactly where he needed to be. He had tremendous burst off the line but also an impeccable snap timing. And then theres the ability to catch almost literally every ball remotely in his area. Much of this is driven by intangibles and feel for the game that add a TON of juice to natural god given athleticism.

I think TG would have excelled under mahomes. But I also don’t know that he brings the same intangibles to the table. Kelce has an uncanny understanding of where to be and the best way to get there. Which is tremendous for a team that so often goes off script. How many times have we seen the two on a page where you’re like… how the **** did they both know to do that? He also gets abused like no other player in the league in terms of defenses hacking the shit out of him but he keeps grinding at it. His attitude is off the charts. That’s on top of being a tremendous teammate. So yeah when comparing two guys who are both exceptional athletes, I’ll take the guy who has a way better feel for the position any day of the week.

But by trying to argue that we can't talk about what Tony Gonzalez didn't do in the post-season you're tacitcly arguing that we also can't talk about what Travis Kelce has done in the postseason.

And if you want to play the 'what if' games (which again, I don't care for doing; just too speculative), 'what if' Travis Kelce doesn't get pulled for the concussion protocol that didn't exist in TG's era? The Titans had no answers for him and the key play in that game was Orson Charles dropping a 1st down that would've iced the game that hit him right between the numbers.

Suddenly Kelce is 2-2 w/ 350ish yards in 4 games - right in line with his career post-season averages.

Again - Travis Kelce has historically raised his level of performance in the post-season whereas Gonzalez has seen his post-season performance decline from his regular season standards.

Of course opportunity matters, but Kelce's been a person who has consistently risen to the level of the challenge in the post-season. Tony Gonzalez, relative to his OWN standards, simply hasn't. That's gotta be relevant.

To try to say "Well Kelce has Mahomes..." is almost as insulting as saying "Well Mahomes had Hill..."

Kelce, prior to Mahomes, had 1 game where he wasn't outstanding and it has another 'what if' element to it - 'what if' Maclin hadn't mangled his knee and Bill Belichick wasn't content triple-teaming Kelce and letting Albert Wilson and Jason Avant beat him. I mean Gonzalez at least had Rison (in his odd comeback season) and Eddie Kennison (criminally underrated) keeping defenses a bit more honest in those playoff games.

In the end, you've gotta give credit for what was actually done. And what Kelce has done in the post-season has been nothing short of spectacular.

They're totally different.

Gonzales was a 'post up' kind of TE. Kelce is like a huge WR, and a YAC machine.

Kelce gets knocked for not blocking, but he's fine at that when asked, he's just not asked all that often.

It's just totally different.

I think Kelce could be who Gonzalez was. He has the frame and the fearlessness to do it.

I don't think TG can be who Travis Kelce is.

To me that's the major point of distinction. Kelce is capable of more (because again: Better athlete, which is how we got here in the first place) and as such that versatility makes him a harder post-season matchup and more critical 'gotta have it' player.

Yeah - they're different. But that doesn't stop me from saying I'd take one over the other without hesitation. I'd simply take Kelce 100 times out of 100.

Kelce has been incredible in the postseason. He only needs 152 yards to pass Julian Edelman and slide into #2 all-time behind Jerry Rice.

I'm all for giving Kelce praise for what he's accomplished; I am just not OK with putting Gonzalez down for not enjoying the same success. You can argue that he didn't elevate his play in the postseason but the stats show that Kelce really didn't either before Mahomes came to town.

Kelce in the four seasons prior to Mahomes:

Averaged 73 yards and 0.25 TDs per game.

Kelce in four seasons with Mahomes:

Averages 90 yards and 1 TD per game.

I mean, that is a significant difference. If Kelce isn't lucky enough to be on the team that drafts Patrick Mahomes, it's possible that we're all in this thread saying "Yeah, he's definitely a Hall of Fame talent but just never put up the numbers in the postseason to put him above Gronk, Gonzalez, etc."

But again - just give Kelce the same pace he had in the first half before his concussion. Or just pro-rate the 'per game' stats for the lost half of football (that's hugely relevant when we're talking a 4-game sample size).

Then suddenly he's at 88 yards/gm. It's close enough to the 90 yards/gm he's put up with Mahomes to say that there's not an appreciable difference, especially when you account for simple development that comes with a young player getting better and more experienced.

Travis Kelce was DAMN good in the post-season even before Mahomes hit the scene. I just don't see anything to suggest otherwise.

Interestingly i think gonzo is a better fit for Alex smith and kelce is a better fit for mahomes

Sorry, I misspoke. I should not have said that Kelce didn't elevate his game in the postseason before Mahomes; I should have said the stats don't bear that out.

Giving you the prorated yardage for missing an entire half of the Titans game, there is still a pretty significant discrepancy in TDs. You're talking about 1 TD scored in four playoff games pre-Mahomes compared to 11 TDs scored in eleven contests with Mahomes. And that matches a 1-3 record with Alex that shifted to 8-3 with Mahomes.

It's still more about opportunity. I don't think there's an appreciable difference between Kelce circa 2016 and Kelce circa 2019, he just got more opportunities to shine.

How often did Marino have the defenses that Brady had? Not trying to say Brady isn’t good or a HOF, but how many SBs does he win without top 10 defenses (I can name 4 without even trying)?

Gonzo was, perhaps ironically, the best imaginable fit for some of his worst QBs. He's not unlike Bowe/Cassel in that regard.

TG would've been a nice fit for Smith but remember, if Smith didn't see a pretty good window, he'd tuck and run. In some ways you need a kinda shitty/stupid QB to take full advantage of what TG did, which was just muscle the ball away from guys.

Or in the alternative, a guy who simply didn't miss a window over the middle. Wanna talk about 'what if' scenarios - don't give me TG/Mahomes - give me TG/Brady. As good as Brady/Gronk were, Brady/Gonzalez would've been better. Brady's placement on that seam shot and his ability to make the right read and fire on time would've been PERFECT for Gonzalez's style of play.

Trying to boil down a 4 game sample size to touchdowns/gm is a pretty wonky way to go about it. Especially when, again, his TD rate wouldn't be THAT far off his regular season rates under Smith. 22 touchdowns in 63 games under Smith is 1 score every 2.8 games vs. 1 score in 3.5 games in the post-season. And again, that score came in the half against the Titans where he was going to EAT as that game went along. There was every reason to believe he'd have put up another in the 2nd half and now that stat gets flipped on its head as well.

The sample size is just awfully small here and when you see that he actually increased his yards/gm (again, providing that you're pro-rating) I just have a hard time saying that he wasn't elevating his game in the post-season even before Mahomes got on the scene.

He's just always been a big game player and that was BEFORE Mahomes got here. Now what Mahomes did was turn him up to 11, but he was at 10 before PM was his triggerman.

Is there a way to find splits by QB?

Now I'm curious - because I kinda feel like Tony was probably at his best with some turtling chickinshit like Damon Huard under center.

"Oh shit, this game is going so fast! Who'sopenwho'sopenwho'sopen....AAAAAAAGHHHH!!!"

{slings it in TG's general direction and prays}

It is a small sample size and I think that strengthens my argument.

I had been arguing with chiefzilla, among others, about opportunity in the NFL. I believe Kelce is a good example, and the small sample size bears it out (is it bears it out or bares it out?). Kelce circa 2015, 2016 vs Kelce circa 2019, 2020. I don't believe there was an appreciable difference. The major difference between them is opportunity.

2015 Kelce was saddled with a gaping vagina QB who refused to let his nuts hang. We played not to lose and it resulted in losses against the big dawgs in the postseason.

Then, in comes our chocolatey-dicked biracial angel and BAM. All of a sudden we're winning 3/4ths of the postseason games we play, which creates more opportunities for Kelce, who hasn't changed a ton, to shine.

I don't either.

That's precisely my point - I think he was an ass-kicker in the post-season BEFORE Patrick Mahomes came along. He'd developed into a horse even with Alex Smith under center. He hadn't risen to national prominence yet because we were always that team that showed up to be the bit players in someone else's story.

But he never failed to do his part. He never failed to raise his level of play.

I think that's a lot harder argument to make in re: Tony Gonzalez. You can attempt to say that he didn't get the number of opportunities - sure. But you can't say he met/exceeded his ordinary standard when he DID get his shot.

What is interesting about Kelce is I bet you could go back in the archives and find people wanting him gone because of his attitude and his bone headed plays. Maybe I will do a search and hope that I wasn't one of them :D

I agree. Mahomes doesn’t use the jump ball as much as other qbs do. I could see Alex using that quite a bit as a checkdown option. Chucking it up where only he can get is safer than threading a tight needle. Same reason I don’t think gonzo could improvise the way kelce does. I’d imagine kelce would be especially lethal for a lot of these fast break offenses out there especially with how exceptional he is when playing out of structure. And I would agree he’s way more suitable for YAC although gonzalez was an absolute truck to tackle.

Either TE would have excelled with either qb but at the least we can celebrate that the right TE came at the right time for the right QB.

I think these are the kinds of arguments that lead to guys like Justin Herbert and matthew Stafford getting overhyped. I would absolutely take Montana and Brady over marino. I know they had way better talent to work with but having wxceptional ability and stats doesn’t always translate into wins. I think marino falls into the rivers and Herbert category of exceptionally talented qbs who just can’t seem to win when it counts. There is no guarantee that Marino wins big games with a better supporting cast.

Marino was saddled with a couple truly atrocious defenses, iirc. At least one for sure for at least 3-4 years. He was doing the Manning thing before Payton did it. Trying to score piles upon piles of points because his defense couldn't stuff a runny nose. Also trying to extend drives just to keep his own defense off the field.

And in those days, everyone ran the piss out of the ball compared to how the league runs today, so MIA's defense was getting gangraped on the ground much more so than through the air.

Tangent: the way the rules are enforced these days in the passing game, there's really no such thing as a shutdown CB, much less a shutdown secondary. The rules are just too slanted in the favor of the offense. Heck, Wilson practically earned himself that first extension just by throwing those high-arching passes that drew flag after flag because the refs were going to call any contact by the DB vs. the WR. That's why Russ would have stat lines after a lot of games where he threw for <200 yds (maaaybe), but the team would score 30+ points or whatever. He was adept at chucking 50/50 balls to the EZ, forcing the DB to commit DPI, and boom, SEA gets a free 1st down on the 2.

So, we can forget the idea of ever having a shutdown secondary. We really want smart, sticky, and well-coached. make it as difficult as possible to get chunk plays and take away the run. But stopping a modern passing attack is the myth in 2022 and beyond. Check the league's best secondaries; no one is shutting down anyone these days, unless either the QB and/or the OC are just flat incompetent.

Something funny I just noticed whilst watching the crazy Patrick to CEH play. You'll notice Kelce sort of start walking away the opposite direction before Patrick has even thrown the ball.

What do you think is going on here? Did he think Patty was sacked? I can't quite figure it out.

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I loved Kelces boneheaded plays, because he stated what we all felt as Chief fans!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Travis Kelce turns 33 in a couple hours. Through four weeks, he has 61 more receiving yards than any other tight end. He&#39;s tied for first among TEs with 26 catches. He&#39;s still the highest-graded TE in football, per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a>. He leads <a href="https://twitter.com/fboutsiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fboutsiders</a> DYAR and Effective Yards by a mile.</p>&mdash; Sam McDowell (@SamMcDowell11) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/status/1577492161108516866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Travis Kelce turns 33 in a couple hours. Through four weeks, he has 61 more receiving yards than any other tight end. He&#39;s tied for first among TEs with 26 catches. He&#39;s still the highest-graded TE in football, per <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a>. He leads <a href="https://twitter.com/fboutsiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fboutsiders</a> DYAR and Effective Yards by a mile.</p>&mdash; Sam McDowell (@SamMcDowell11) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/status/1577492161108516866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's interesting, but just looking back in threads I was involved in, there was a consensus building as early as pre-season 2015 that Travis Kelce may be the most important offensive weapon on the team.

He'd played for 1 year at that point. He hadn't even broken out yet.

Sometimes CP knows our shit. That fascinates the hell out of me.

It may have been mentioned earlier but as far as blocking goes, at this point I don't want Kelce sacrificing his body to block much these days, he is way too valuable to burn those snaps. Kelce already takes a ton of hits catching the ball. He is a tough son of a bitch but no need to push the luck having him block DE's on run plays.

I've noticed Kelce does a good job of protecting himself while blocking. You don't see him sacrificing his every fiber going up against a DE very often like that dipshit caveman Kittle. I say that with respect 'cause Kittle's a dawg, but he would contribute so much more if he didn't revel in contact in the trenches so much.

It seems Kelce has noted that and we're better for it.

Soak it in. Because sadly it won't last forever.

They broke the mold when they made this cat. We are truly blessed to have him on our side. One of the best NFL players in the history of the league, and seemingly an even better dude.

Been really cool to watch him mature over the years. I remember him getting tons of dumb ass unsportsmanlike penalties, and his fumbling problems early on. He was still great then, just even greater now.

Travis Kelce is on pace for 112 receptions, 1,179 yards receiving and 24 TD.

Shattered a record tonight. This might actually be hard to beat.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Travis Kelce finished with 4 TDs and 25 yards tonight<br><br>Next fewest yards in a game with 4 receiving TDs: 93, per <a href="https://twitter.com/Stathead?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stathead</a> <a href="https://t.co/iyHXAaQI0s">pic.twitter.com/iyHXAaQI0s</a></p>&mdash; Lev Akabas (@LevAkabas) <a href="https://twitter.com/LevAkabas/status/1579677625458765825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy is my hero. I was ahead by 25 in my game tonight and I was going against Carr and Jacobs but I still had one ace in my sleeve and that was Travis Kelce. I ended up winning by 1 point. I needed every one of those 4 TDs to survive Carr plus Jacobs having a career ****ing night.

This seems nearly unbeatable

cementing his huge balls


this is me , working on my masterpiece


"Kelce's Huge Balls"


https://i.postimg.cc/SsNdKYmk/balls.jpg

lmao...so now kelce is getting the tyreek treatment and the deep stuff opens up LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last night was the first time I truly saw the <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@chiefs</a> will be just fine without Tyreek because <a href="https://twitter.com/tkelce?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tkelce</a> is “The Key” still.<a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@arrowheadpride</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bynatetaylor</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@adamteicher</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/nfllive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#nfllive</a> <a href="https://t.co/aa3jUITuDV">pic.twitter.com/aa3jUITuDV</a></p>&mdash; Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) <a href="https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1579940321647009793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Travis Kelce now has more fantasy points than Tyreek Hill this season. 🔥🔥</p>&mdash; Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1579659795464073216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's so incredible that we had Tony G (ex-GOAT TE) for so many years and it only took us a few years after he left to find us a guy that's taken his place as GOAT TE.

That means the Chiefs have had the GOAT TE on their roster for 22 out of the last 26 years. That's pretty incredible.

Going from Priest to LJ to Charles was also pretty incredible.

Going all the way back to the KC Star Board and the King Carl days, there were two camps of Chiefs fans. There was the '3 yards and a cloud of dust, win with defense, a running game and a safe QB' crowd and the 'Carl needs to get us a franchise QB or it's all for naught' crowd.

I'd say it's fairly clear who had the correct answer at this point. There were some truly incredible careers in KC (Shields and DT also in this group) that were just wasted by bad organizational philosophy.

G'damn Andy Reid did a lot for this franchise.

Is there anywhere I can find Andy's salary? I have looked around and can't really find anything solid on it.

It's gotta be one of the top 2 or 3 highest paid right? I mean, it's obviously worth it.

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The Chiefs have restructured the contract of All Pro TE Travis Kelce, converting base salary into a signing bonus to clear $3.455M in cap space, per source

Making room for someone?

Hmmm interesting.

Kelce cementing his HOF status
 

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GOAT

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Imagine how good he'd be if he were an elite athlete...

8. Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs, $8 million per year
Andy Reid, or sometimes affectionately called Big Red, has been an NFL head coach for 24 years, but it wasn’t until he got to the Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes that he won the big game, becoming a Super Bowl champion in 2019. He also won AP Coach of the Year back in his fourth season with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2002.

This has him at 8.

https://sportsnaut.com/highest-paid-nfl-coach/

Travis is on pace for a mythical season. Of course, I'm not suggesting he's going to go for 1400 yds and 21 TDs, etc. etc., but he's on pace for a special season. Again.

ring the bell

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Very nice. Barring injuries he overtakes Sharpe this year and is a couple of years from overtaking Gates. Would love to see him retire as the all time leader in yards and TDs for a TE.

Going to be hard to catch Tony G but he should get Witten before he's done.

You clearly give Brady far too much credit for some of those SB wins. Does he even get a chance to beat Mahomes in the SB if his defense doesn’t bail him out all playoffs because he was terrible. Is he good? Yes. Is he a HOF? Yes. Is he the best QB of all time and the sole reason why he has 7 rings? No.

He's gonna crack 10K by the time the season is done.