Mahomes didn't have Watkins, a healthy Hill, or most of his starting OL.

There were a lot of reasons the Colts defense beat up the Chiefs last year and it had as much to do with a bad set of circumstance for the passing game as it did the absence of a quality starting RB.

Ultimately we didn't have much at RB all year and for the most part, it was an afterthought. There were a TON of problems in that Colts game - I'd put the absence of Williams at maybe 5th on the list of causes.

Why can't there be a middle ground? I personally don't want a 1st round OL, at least not for another year or two when we need to replace one of the tackles. But I also don't agree with them constantly waiting until the 6th round to take OL. IMO the 3rd-4th is the sweet spot where you should be able to find quality G/C who can step in and contribute before too long. I wouldn't call that "over investing".

Teams are able to play differently when Hill is not in the game. Not to mention Watson. So sure. If we have to play without both of them and if Hardeman does not improve we will need a running game or we could take a Wr, in case they are both out again.

As for the hopes and ifs, sort of back to trusting Veech. With Washington I have this as a better set of RB's then we had last year. McCoy fumbled way to much. Washington is an upgrade. Thompson should be better.

Reid won't half-ass the OTs.

It's just not how the shell concept works.

You'll see 1st/2nd day capital used on an OT, maybe as early as this season. Reid saw his Philly tenure implode when he couldn't keep healthy/effective OTs on the roster and I don't think he'll let that happen again.

Zack Baun, Wisconsin (rSR, 6'2", 238 pounds)

Yeah, so Schwartz didn't jump on the offer, the agent was contacted by the Chiefs, who offered less but they weren't exactly "aggressive" about it. They saw an opening and jumped, albeit for less than Cleveland was offering.

In retrospect, it worked out for Schwartz, although he could still probably get more money on the open market, even today.

To my eyes, there was a clear upgrade when Rankin started at the LG position. He had 5 starts, 0 penalties but unfortunately, never started next to Eric Fisher.

The Guard and Center positions, outside of the guys on last year's 53, seem to me more like a Practice Squad deal, especially given that it's been expanded to 14 from 10 and with the new CBA, veterans qualify for the PS as well.

So, Andy could have a few more raw candidates in which to tinker with during the season.

I think they draft an OT next year. We have our starters and swing tackle set for this year.

Bah! NO!!!!!!!!

Probably the most likely scenario, yes.

But this is a pretty good OT class and so if someone that would normally go in the 35-40 range fell to the Chiefs at 63, I could see them grabbing him. It's less than ideal to do that given the fact that you only get 4 years of him and 2 of them are almost certainly blocked, but for the right talent, it's worthwhile.

I don't think it would be Veach's ideal outcome, but it's one I think he'd consider.

Yeah, but I'm not even saying so much Williams, but the lack of a running back threat, period.

Darrel Williams and Darwin Award Thompson don't put the fear in, well, anyone and once McCoy fumbled in Colts territory, Andy basically pulled him.

I'm taking this game by game and not claiming the Chiefs would have been 16-0, but the lack of a threatening or even solid running game hurt them in the Titans, Packers, Colts and Texans regular seasons games. And even though Mahomes is an amazing, All-World QB, the threat of a great running game makes him even deadlier.

I know that you're not arguing against it but I just don't understand how people can claim that the Chiefs don't "need" a true feature back because "we've got Mahomes".

Yeah, remember Dan Marino? The guy had like one season with a 1,000 yard running back in Miami and never won anything.

Yea it’s still a possibility for sure, just my guess.

They tried to court some higher offers, didn't get the numbers they were hoping to get and tried to take the Browns offer which was rescinded and he became a FA.

I liked what I saw out of Rankin also, but he also ****ed his knee up pretty good in that Titans loss and who knows how he'll be afterwards until they see him take some snaps which won't be till TC if there's even a season at all.

I like Ben Bartch as a developmental OT.

Lord almight, look at this piece of shit:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...-all-32-teams/

This monstrosity is why I will never 'defer to the experts' when it comes to the Chiefs draft.

2 CBs a C and a G with their first 4 picks, ALL of whom are reach picks. Why? Because idiot national talking heads do the same thing every time. They build their list of needs for each team and then at each pick, they just snap a guy up from the top of that position group.

There's no way the Chiefs just punt a draft like that and go 'full need'.

He falls to the 4th/5th in most mocks I see. Could see Reid nabbing him and playing him inside.

I’ll one up you and suggest that if Josh Jones slips to #32, then he will indeed be the pick. He is the best movement tackle of the big 5 (Wills, Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Jones), and fits the Reid/Heck scheme to a tee. KC has to make a $ decision on Fisher soon and Schwartz is 32. Jones is arguably a top 15-25 talent.

Yeah, I saw that earlier and thought the same exact thing, then I clicked on his Twitter account and saw that he had 4,000 Followers.

:doh!:

Sports "Journalism" has become a dead end, so much so, that even "brand name" internet sites are just hiring guys on the cheap, regardless of their qualifications.

During "Draft Season", it's just all about putting something on the site to get hits, regardless of the content.

Jaylon Johnson CB Utah, middle of second round. Chiefs trade down with either Miami or Jacksonville, pick up an additional 4th rd pick.

Gross.

Are any of the running backs good blockers because that is something Reid wants in a RB. Williams is a damn good excellent blocker

Yea that’s the worst Chiefs mock I’ve seen

Deejay Dallas. 5th round.

Schwartz is 30 years old and will be 31 when the season begins. He's shown no signs of slowing down or retiring. Guys like him can play at a high level well into their 30's.

I have no idea why you think the Chiefs *need* to make a decision on Fisher, either. He's 29 years old and again, shows no signs of slowing down.

I'd rather see the Chiefs pay Fisher for a few more years than draft a LT whom they'd need to pay $16 million or more in 3 years.

Next years OT class is supposedly highly thought of as well.

I'm thinking someone like Lucas Niang.

Hip injury that slowed him down in '19 after looking like a real 1st round probable in '18. Outstanding physical tools and what appears to be a good head for the game. Just a GIANT dude who is very agile for his size. No experience at LT (IIRC) but might have the tools to play it.

So if he's there in the 2nd...maybe? Depending on the board? You'd want him to get at least a full season to make sure he's recovered from the hip surgery and you can maybe lean him out a bit to make him more agile. Then you work technique like crazy. Then in season 2 you see if you have a guy that can be a swing tackle, in which case you have a potential LT.

And I may just like him more than most - guys that big with plus athleticism are just so damn rare. That's why I liked the Fisher pick when we made it - 6'7" dudes w/ the agility to play on an island at LT are just awfully tough to get your hands on. So I may be falling victim to measurables.

But if the board fell to hell and Niang was sitting there at 63...I'd have to strongly consider taking him.

I’ll guess the Chiefs will take Swift

My dream scenario would be trade Jones and trade down from 32. End up with having 3 picks in the top 64 and taking William Gay Jr, Terrell or Danztler, with the first two and then in my scenario you would still have another 5-6 picks to take RB, WR, IOL, DT, DE.

Yea that draft isn't something I like yet I guarantee you the person that did it says there are 3 day 1 starters there.

I honestly think it's more likely the guy used a Mock Draft simulator and just went with it.

Those guys don't earn enough money to fully research and study. They're paid like pennies per word.

And, he's a kid.

Is Swift a good blocker?

I think Swift would be a good fit in this system, but the Dolphins will be picking for the 3rd time at 26 and the shitty running game was a big problem for them in 2019. Hard to know if he'll make it past them and the Ravens that have a run first mentality and the running game ended up failing them in the playoffs (yet again).

The Dolphins run game sucked cause they're OL is awful, I wouldn't be surprised if they went QB and 2 OL.

He's ok at it, he seems to have the want to and the ability just needs a bit of refinement..

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/d...ift/JvNIEJQzOt

That makes him sound like a perfect fit here.

They also didn't have shit at RB. I can't see them taking 2 tackles in the first round.

I feel a trade coming. We are tied with the Saints with the fewest draft picks

Agreed. He will need work. If you look at all of our past RBs they have been damn good at blocking. Charles, Hunt, West, Ware, Williams

I ****ed up on Schwartz’s age - as you said he will be 31 in a few weeks. After the 2020 season, Fisher can be cut saving $11.5 million on the cap with just over $3 million in dead money (just under $15 million cap hit). That might go a ways in extending Mahomes/Jones. If you can get a sure-fire OT on a five year deal with the first few years being cheap, that is something KC has to be looking at.

I have nothing against the quality of play of Fisher/Schwartz, but eventually you have to plan for down the road.

The Ravens can plug any ol' swinging dick into that system and get 1,200 yards out of him.

If they're smart they'll throw a nice 3-4 year deal at Gus Edwards while he's still fairly undervalued. He'd be a 4.75-5 YPC back of 225-250 carries pretty easily, IMO.

There's no need for them to throw a 1st rounder at a RB.

I think they’d go Taylor over Swift in the first.

We have a pick in the first 5 rounds.

6th and 7th round picks are camp bodies and/or priority UDFA caliber players anyway for a championship caliber squad.

Just more national talking head nonsense. If the Chiefs had 2 picks each in the 6th and 7 rounds, nobody would be talking about how few picks we have and MAYBE 1 of those 4 guys would be on the 2021 roster (probably 2 at most on the 2020 roster).

The Chiefs don't need to trade down unless the value is there. If it isn't, stand pat. Quantity is great when you're the Dolphins and have half the picks in the 1st and 2nd round, but it doesn't mean shit past the 5th (and really, means very little after the 3rd).

I think we go CB in the second round. Alex Brown is an interesting player we have. Was good at special teams but never given a chance on defense

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs GM Brett Veach raving about CBs Antonio Hamilton and Alex Brown, said he believes team now has four deep at CB. <br><br>Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Rashad Fenton project as your top 3.</p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1250822086349783046?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A rebuilding team picking at the top of rounds gets better value going RB later...

If he really likes Brown and Hamilton don't expect a high CB pick.

Oddly enough UDFA is what Veach does best at

Taylor has taken a POUNDING.

I just don't see Veach going with a high mileage RB in the 1st round knowing full well that there's a 0% chance of giving him a 2nd contract.

It's just a bad use of a 1st round pick, IMO.

I can see us taking a WR in round 1. I like Higgins and Jefferson

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs GM Brett Veach said the OL and WR position groups are probably the deepest and what he&#39;s excited about heading into the draft.</p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1250821232687267841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

UDFA is gonna throw out some gems this year, a bunch of guys that would normally get drafted won't especially non combine invites because the NFL is scared to pick dudes without a ton of info.

This is why I'd never draft a Wisconsin RB, they all come out abused.

He does it well, to be sure.

So why the hell does he need to go acquiring late round picks? He'll be able to fill the edges of the roster w/ UDFAs and cheap veterans looking to latch on in a good system and a winning program. Hell, he's found productive street FAs during the season. He's found contributors off waivers.

There's little/no utility in adding last day picks. Veach can use his resources far better elsewhere and has in the past.

So he just said WR is deepest and you want a WR in round 1.

Got it.

They finished off the year pretty strong and I think they're making a case to be competitive in 2020. The division is shit and they were pretty active in FA.

I wouldn't call it a rebuilding year.

I like Gus but I don't think he's a lead back and I think Ingram is about to fall off a cliff.

Higgins is not a fit here, not in this style of offense.

Higgins is a big body high point dude, he is not going to be crisp with routes or get a lot of seperation.

I would be more willing to acknowledge they could take Baun or a safety with that pick than a RB.

If you need me, I'll be out getting my Aiyuk jersey ordered...

I just don't understand why you guys are always so concerned about the Salary Cap and future years. It changes constantly and if you've got good players on the roster, you keep them.

Every freaking year, people are "cutting" Fisher and Sorensen. Meanwhile, all they do is contribute greatly to the Chiefs success.

Eventually, which could be 3 years, 4 years or longer, depending on the upcoming season. If it's shortened or cancelled altogether, we're going to see some of these guys player longer for many reasons, including less wear and tear and of course, money.

He is speedy but he definitely needs work on his routes but Tyreek was a RB converted to a WR and he’s one of the best receivers in the game today. Which WR would you pick?

Higgins is freakin 6'4, those guys don't run super crisp routes.

Alex Brown is 5’9” and Hamilton is a ST player. We have 2, maybe 3, guys that can start on the outside. CB is absolutely still in play at 32.

Didn’t know you were a Packers fan.

Veachs take on the salary cap

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;The (salary) cap is flexible and what we&#39;re able to do is flexible...there&#39;s an array of options.&quot;<br><br>~ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1250824362971652097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They just grabbed Lawson, Van Noy and Ogbah. I don't know about that.

Right now they've got a pretty mediocre Jordan Howard and some scrubs at RB.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach reiterates a few times that they are looking 2-3 years down the road as they approach the draft and building their roster.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1250819578038571009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hill looked the part of a WR from the day he started running routes.

Dude's feet are beyond peer and always have been. I mentioned several times 'round here how stunned I was at how good Hill was at the "WR stuff" in his rookie season - dude just knew how to play the position.

Higgins has played it for years and still doesn't do it right.

You have it or you don't. If you're lucky, Higgins is Vincent Jackson. I probably like VAN Jefferson more than I like Higgins, and he's not even the best Wide Receiver named Jefferson out of the SEC in this draft.

I think it's "in play" if there's an absolutely incredible player that dropped to #32.

Otherwise, I think they can wait until later to grab a guy they really like to develop over the course of the season.

Brett Veach has a type at RB and Andy is clearly aligned with it. Seems like ever since we took Kareem Hunt, we’ve tried to find guy with similar structure.

Darrell Williams and Darwin Thompson are those guys with thick legs and good contact balance to get more yards while teams have light boxes due to Mahomes.

The more I look at these backs, the more I see Cam Akers as a great fit. I think he’d kill it in this offense.

I was referring to the Dolphins.

I expected more from Van Jefferson, considering his dad is Shawn Jefferson, a former NFL WR and current NFL WR coach.

If anything, I'd be concerned that guy is maxed out.

I have no idea how they didn't pick up on that LMAO

I think they got Howard to be that scrappy type of runner while Swift would be a more appropriate change of pace back to compliment a Chan Gailey offense. (Holy **** this guy is in the NFL again in 2020)

I think every single one of these top 6 RB’s are a fit (Moss is too).

The best fit IMO is easily Clyde Edwards-Helaire though.

Personally I think the Dolphins are looking at QB, then probably Josh Jones, followed with either another OL, think Ruiz or Jackson or one of the safeties.

A team in their spot has to be thinking it makes more sense to look at RB a bit later.

Van Jefferson in the 3rd would be robbery.

Just watch him against the Stingley (the best CB in CFB).

They’re the only team I could see taking Swift, but I agree.

He’s going to be there at 32.

I'm an Akers fan as well. The FSU line absolutely murdered him.

There's a scenario where I could talk myself into him in the 2nd. I'm not convinced he'd be any less valuable in this system than Swift, Dobbins or Taylor would be. Maybe less valuable elsewhere, but not here.

Why would they draft Ruiz when they just signed a Center in Free Agency?

Would be hard to be disappointed if they took Akers in the 2nd. That dude really got ****ed by going to FSU.

I read backwards.

When I make a post, I scroll up the thread until I see something I want to respond to. If I think I missed something, I'll go top-down (normally I just click the little arrow in quotes and jump to the 'offending' post, though).

Sometimes creates these kind of issues...

If we are going to take a RB....then I’d prefer Akers.

I wouldn't be surprised if he slips to the 3rd or 4th because he was unable to participate in the Combine and unable to have a physical due to the lockdowns.

He'll also be 24 years old when the season starts.

So who sits?
Ward? Breeland? Will a rookie beat out Mathieu/Fenton manning the slot?

Remember Veach got Fenton in the 5th, and Ward was a diamond in the rough. Outside of Okudah and Henderson, I see a large group of corners that all have specific flaws and won’t have a ton of differentiated talent between rounds two down to the early fourth round.

My gut tells me that if Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray are available at #32, they will be the pick. But that is a big “if”. I cite the fact that it was well known that last year, the Chiefs were really high on Devin Bush but could not find a way to move up to acquire him.
That is when I think Veach has to decide between a feature running back in the mold of JK Dobbins, or he goes with one of the versatile safety picks that are elite in McKinney or Delpit. The only other possible wrench in the draft plan is if a significant talent drops at defensive end (Epenesa, Gross-Matos) or offensive tackle (Jones, Becton).

Yea that’s the only reason he falls that far, because teams reportedly love him otherwise.

Since there’s no rush for us anyways, I’m taking him in the 3rd for sure.

I think like Mecole, he was a victim of QB play and being in a run first offense. Unlike Mecole, he’s a polished flute runner that would compliment him and Tyreek well in 2021 and beyond.

Fenton was a 6th.

Queen has been my pick for a couple weeks now. Will he make it to #32 is the real question.