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UChieffyBugger 04-20-2020 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14919546)
There are a whole lotta "If" involving Fournette and that doesn't really seem like a move the current Chiefs staff would take, especially given that they'd need to clear at least another $4+ million on top of the $5 million they'll need to clear in order to sign their draft picks.

I think the right play here is to let Jacksonville cut him, then if the Chiefs are interested, inquire about a Vet Minimum deal in order to "restore" his once shiny reputation.

Otherwise, there's just too much risk involved, particularly for a team that has their sights on a second consecutive Super Bowl victory.

I don't see much risk at all. If we got him for a 4th or 5th round pick then he'd be coming into a championship team where he would be facing empty boxes all season and wouldn't have to have as much carries as he would In Jacksonville, thus he'd be fresher during the season. Last season he was good and the tape and stats prove it.

DaneMcCloud 04-20-2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14919689)
I don't see much risk at all.

That's because you have the brain power of a fruit fly

Megatron96 04-20-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14919750)
That's because you have the brain power of a fruit fly

You might be giving him too much credit . . .

UChieffyBugger 04-20-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14919750)
That's because you have the brain power of a fruit fly

Are you just a silly prick naturally or did you have to work at it? If it's the latter then you've done a good job buddy :)

tredadda 04-20-2020 08:08 PM

Simply put what provides more value for the Chiefs, a former #4 pick they have to trade a pick for and pay millions to, or a draft pick with at least four years of control who fits the offense better at a fraction of the price.

JohnnyHammersticks 04-20-2020 08:15 PM

I thought Mike Florio was the only person on earth dumb enough to think Fournette to the Chiefs was even a remote possibility.

I stand corrected.

Skyy God 04-20-2020 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14919750)
That's because you have the brain power of a fruit fly

That’s mean to fruit flies.

Simply Red 04-21-2020 01:22 AM

No, He's a piece of shit.

Simply Red 04-21-2020 01:25 AM

I think this Washington RB will be pretty good for us. I'm excited to see what he has. we're plenty stocked on RBs this upcoming season, provided there's NFL football.

kccrow 04-21-2020 04:44 AM

The Chiefs need to add a RB... in the draft.

Fournette is shit. No.

Kman34 04-21-2020 06:11 AM

Waste picks and cap space on a brokedick or draft a younger cheaper guy?? Hmmmm.. The answer is obvious.. unless you’re a dumbass..

duncan_idaho 04-21-2020 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14918504)
We had en elite rb with Pat for half a season and the offense was one of the greatest the league has ever seen...why not try that again?


I agree. Let’s try that again.

I’ve got a not-well-kept secret for you: Leonard Fournette is not elite.

He’s slow, off-injured, and not explosive. He’s also a malcontent.

Chris Meck 04-21-2020 08:02 AM

Chieffy has an irrational need to see ONE back have 100 yards on the stat sheet.

He hates any sharing of carries.

He thinks it's 1986.

I don't know why you argue with him when he gets like this.

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14920169)
I agree. Let’s try that again.

I’ve got a not-well-kept secret for you: Leonard Fournette is not elite.

He’s slow, off-injured, and not explosive. He’s also a malcontent.

This

Is

BS

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14920294)
Chieffy has an irrational need to see ONE back have 100 yards on the stat sheet.

He hates any sharing of carries.

He thinks it's 1986.

I don't know why you argue with him when he gets like this.

Lol and who would have guessed that you would turn up on this thread to moan about an rb? WHO? ROFL

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14920167)
Waste picks and cap space on a brokedick or draft a younger cheaper guy?? Hmmmm.. The answer is obvious.. unless you’re a dumbass..

The fact that you claim Fournette is a "broke dick"...tells me you're a delusional prick who doesn't have a clue what you're talking about...smh go watch the tape you misguided fool.

Chris Meck 04-21-2020 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920415)
Lol and who would have guessed that you would turn up on this thread to moan about an rb? WHO? ROFL

I know, right? Actual reason. Who would've thought?

BryanBusby 04-21-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14919750)
That's because you have the brain power of a fruit fly

You got soft over the years.

CasselGotPeedOn 04-21-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920437)
The fact that you claim Fournette is a "broke dick"...tells me you're a delusional prick who doesn't have a clue what you're talking about...smh go watch the tape you misguided fool.

He missed 5 games his senior season, and 12 games over his first three NFL seasons. That's a broke dick you stupid ****.

Chris Meck 04-21-2020 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14920460)
He missed 5 games his senior season, and 12 games over his first three NFL seasons. That's a broke dick you stupid ****.

Yup.

We've already got one of those.

MahiMike 04-21-2020 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14919328)
Mort was on ESPN making a case for Fournette.

Trade Cost: approx a 4th pick
76 rec/ave 6.9 yards
1,100yrds rush, ave 4.3 yards
Base salary of 4.16m

After hearing these stats and trade cost, i might be willing to offer the jags a 5th round pick to see if they bite.

Now you're talking. This is basically a 1 year deal for a guy that caught 76 passes from Gardner Minshew. 6th best RB last year on a team that always has the box shut against them. How can you not take a flyer?

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14920460)
He missed 5 games his senior season, and 12 games over his first three NFL seasons. That's a broke dick you stupid ****.

He's only has had one half a season where he was injured you idiot..otherwise he's been healthy

duncan_idaho 04-21-2020 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920412)
This

Is

BS

It.

Isn't.

Over the past 3 years, he has averaged fewer yards per carry and reception than Damien Williams - who was playing behind the craptastic Dolphins line in 2017 - while missing more games due to injury.

That isn't an elite back. Leonard Fournette was an elite prospect 3 years ago. He is not an elite back and isn't going to get a long-term second deal.

He compiled yardage last year but ranked 28th in YPA (behind such luminaries as Carlos Hyde, Jordan Howard, and Latavius Murray, and on par with studs like Jamal Williams and 34-year-old Adrian Peterson). Even in his "breakout" rookie campaign, Fournette was at 3.9 YPA - good again for 28th on the list.

In between those performances, he ranked 46th in YPA.

He.

Isn't.

Elite.

cmh6476 04-21-2020 10:48 AM

Not sure if anyone has said this, but no.

duncan_idaho 04-21-2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920630)
He's only has had one half a season where he was injured you idiot..otherwise he's been healthy

So over the past 4 years, he has missed 1/2 the season for his team 2x. That's 50 percent of the time. That's a broke dick.

In addition to those injuries, he also has had a lot of nagging injuries. His rookie year, he got dinged and missed action 3 separate times.

In 2018, he injured the hamstring early, came back, and re-injured it to the point of missing the rest of the season.

He's a not-elite performer with injury problems.

duncan_idaho 04-21-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14920548)
Now you're talking. This is basically a 1 year deal for a guy that caught 76 passes from Gardner Minshew. 6th best RB last year on a team that always has the box shut against them. How can you not take a flyer?

Because in addition to being a non-eliete brokedick, he also is a terrible schematic fit for a team that wants to spend its time in shotgun formations.

He's a big power back, and doesn't possess the quick stop-start needed to thrive in the modern NFL.

I wouldn't send more than a 6th for him.

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14920648)
It.

Isn't.

Over the past 3 years, he has averaged fewer yards per carry and reception than Damien Williams - who was playing behind the craptastic Dolphins line in 2017 - while missing more games due to injury.

That isn't an elite back. Leonard Fournette was an elite prospect 3 years ago. He is not an elite back and isn't going to get a long-term second deal.

He compiled yardage last year but ranked 28th in YPA (behind such luminaries as Carlos Hyde, Jordan Howard, and Latavius Murray, and on par with studs like Jamal Williams and 34-year-old Adrian Peterson). Even in his "breakout" rookie campaign, Fournette was at 3.9 YPA - good again for 28th on the list.

In between those performances, he ranked 46th in YPA.

He.

Isn't.

Elite.

You said he's "slow" and "not explosive"...THAT'S BS BUDDY!!!..also how many times has Williams carried an offense and faced nine man boxes? I'll wait :D

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14920670)
So over the past 4 years, he has missed 1/2 the season for his team 2x. That's 50 percent of the time. That's a broke dick.

In addition to those injuries, he also has had a lot of nagging injuries. His rookie year, he got dinged and missed action 3 separate times.

In 2018, he injured the hamstring early, came back, and re-injured it to the point of missing the rest of the season.

He's a not-elite performer with injury problems.

Wtf is this clown talking about? He's only played THREE SEASONS and missed games in his SECOND SEASON only...please look at the stats you idiot.

Perineum Ripper 04-21-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920685)
Wtf is this clown talking about? He's only played THREE SEASONS and missed games in his SECOND SEASON only...please look at the stats you idiot.

He has played 3 seasons and missed games in every season.

13 games played his rookie season,

8 games played the next

15 games the next season



He has missed games every single season. Please look at the stats and quit suggesting the team to sign bad fits for this team with expensive options that aren’t worth it .

Chief Roundup 04-21-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920685)
Wtf is this clown talking about? He's only played THREE SEASONS and missed games in his SECOND SEASON only...please look at the stats you idiot.

http://www.nfl.com/player/leonardfou...73/careerstats

2017 played in 13 games
2018 played in 8 games
2019 played in 15 games

CasselGotPeedOn 04-21-2020 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920630)
He's only has had one half a season where he was injured you idiot..otherwise he's been healthy

You are a ****ing moron. He's missed on average 1/4 of the season in his NFL career. That's healthy to you? Holy shit you're stupid

duncan_idaho 04-21-2020 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920685)
Wtf is this clown talking about? He's only played THREE SEASONS and missed games in his SECOND SEASON only...please look at the stats you idiot.


That includes his senior season of college. In which his brokedick tendencies were again on display and he missed 1/2 the season. And in which his team’s running game was better without him.

And he isn’t fast or explosive, by NFL standards. Numbers don’t back it up and neither does the tape.

Fournette peaked physically as a freshman and sophomore in college. He doesn’t have the vision, quickness, or shiftiness to be a stud at this level. His size/speed combo was elite at the college level. It isn’t at the NFL level.

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 14920705)
He has played 3 seasons and missed games in every season.

13 games played his rookie season,

8 games played the next

15 games the next season



He has missed games every single season. Please look at the stats and quit suggesting the team to sign bad fits for this team with expensive options that aren’t worth it .

He's not been perfect...but one if those games was a suspension and in his rookie season he played in all three playoff games.

Chief Roundup 04-21-2020 11:29 AM

Moving the goal posts. Can this turd be confined to the Romper Room.

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Sassy Squatch 04-21-2020 11:30 AM

LMAO

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14920718)
You are a ****ing moron. He's missed on average 1/4 of the season in his NFL career. That's healthy to you? Holy shit you're stupid

16 (including playoffs) and 15 games in two out of three seasons is "injury prone"????...LOL you're a clueless prick :)

Skyy God 04-21-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 14920548)
Now you're talking. This is basically a 1 year deal for a guy that caught 76 passes from Gardner Minshew. 6th best RB last year on a team that always has the box shut against them. How can you not take a flyer?

Because:

1) He has the #9 RB cap hit,

2) He's a malcontent,

3) He's injury prone, and

4) He wants a big 2nd contract.

Why is this hard to grasp?

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14920752)
Moving the goal posts. Can this turd be confined to the Romper Room.

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Lol is this irrelevant clown still crying over my posts? :deevee: ROFL

CasselGotPeedOn 04-21-2020 11:32 AM

Apparently missing 17 games in 4 seasons is completely normal...

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14920761)
Because:

1) He has the #9 RB cap hit,

2) He's a malcontent,

3) He's injury prone, and

4) He wants a big 2nd contract.

Why is this hard to grasp?

When has he spoke about a "big contract"??? You got a link or are you talking out of your ass?

Chief Roundup 04-21-2020 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920763)
Lol is this irrelevant clown still crying over my posts? :deevee: ROFL

You calling anyone else irrelevant or names is hilarious.

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UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14920767)
Apparently missing 17 games in 4 seasons is completely normal...

Tyrann missed several before we signed him...so according to you we shouldn't have signed him, right? ROFL

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14920776)
You calling anyone else irrelevant or names is hilarious.

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"Vince..WHO IS THIS ROODY POO?" LMAO

CasselGotPeedOn 04-21-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920778)
Tyrann missed several before we signed him...so according to you we shouldn't have signed him, right? ROFL

HB never missed a single game in college and hasn't missed a single game the last 3 seasons.

Broke ass Fournette has one season his entire football career where he played every game, and that was his freshmen season in college where he didn't even start half the games.

You are so ****ing stupid.

UChieffyBugger 04-21-2020 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14920814)
HB never missed a single game in college and hasn't missed a single game the last 3 seasons.

Broke ass Fournette has one season his entire football career where he played every game, and that was his freshmen season in college where he didn't even start half the games.

You are so ****ing stupid.

Lol is this prick still yapping? :D

HE PLAYED 16 GAMES IN HIS ROOKIE YEAR AND 15 GAMES LAST YEAR YOU STUPID IDIOT...so two out of three years he's been fine..but clearly you have an agenda that renders you thick smh.

CasselGotPeedOn 04-21-2020 11:52 AM

You just can't fix stupid unfortunately.

Bl00dyBizkitz 04-21-2020 11:54 AM

Injury prone RB asking for bank sounds like the last thing the Chiefs want.

duncan_idaho 04-21-2020 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 14920824)
Lol is this prick still yapping? :D

HE PLAYED 16 GAMES IN HIS ROOKIE YEAR AND 15 GAMES LAST YEAR YOU STUPID IDIOT...so two out of three years he's been fine..but clearly you have an agenda that renders you thick smh.

Let's look at his whole career, including college.

2014: Fr. year. Time share with 2 other backs. 187 carries. 30 percent of total team rushing attempts. HEALTHY 13/13 games.

2015: So. year. Feature back. 300 carries. 60 percent of total team rushing attempts. HEALTHY 12/12 games.

2016: Jr. Year. Feature back. 129 carries. Missed 5 games with 2 different injuries. 28 percent of total team rushing attempts. INJURED 2x 7/12 games. (and, by the way, was not as effective as other players who subbed for him while out)

2017: Rookie. Feature back. 265 carries. 64 percent of total team rushing attempts. Missed 3/4 of preseason games. Missed 3 games midseason. Mostly Healthy. 16/19 games.

2018: Campaign 2. Feature back. 133 carries. 32 percent of total team rushing attempts. Missed 8 games with 3 separate injuries. INJURED x38/16 games.

2019: Campaign 3. Feature back. 265 carries. 68 percent of total team rushing attempts. Missed 3/4 preseason games. Missed last game of year. HEALTHY. 15/16 games.

So in his six years of non-HS competition, he's been available 80 percent of the time, has missed major parts of two of the five seasons he was a feature back, and missed time with nagging injuries in a third one. He most consistently stayed healthy in his first two years of college, one of which was a rotational situation the second of which featured a carries total he has never matched again (and has never come within 10 percent of again despite having 25 percent more games available to him.

He is definitely oft-injured.

PurpleRiders51 04-21-2020 02:23 PM

Have to take a shit so haven't read thread first, if the Chiefs should make a play on a HB it should be Phillip Lindsey imo.


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