Dude, Chris Jones is the 2nd best interior DL in the league. It's really not even arguable, so no, that's not a homer take. :)

Baker...:rolleyes:

And once we get Pennel back from suspension, that’s a big time run stuffer.

FWIW I was listening to 810 this last week and Soren mentioned he heard that Daley liked Danna so much bc he reminded him of Trey Flowers

It's funny that people thought Mahomes was the "system QB" and Baker was the real deal. When in fact the opposite was true. Baker Mayfield is an overrated turd.

Baker could turn it around but yeah there's a reason Mahomes won the job over him at TT

Lol, always interesting to go back and read all the hot takes from some of our resident draft experts.

Like I said in this thread, I'm not going to question World Champion General Manager Brett Veach™.

Dude beasted today

Luckily my comments shitting on this pick are restricted to the NFL draft thread. Or somewhere. I can't remember where. But not here. Ya'll have to dig around a bit if you want to clown me on this one.

Veach strikes again. He picks dudes in late rounds that Kiper didn't do a good job of tracking, so when draft day hits, we look at all these supposed 3rd round talents still available in the 5th and then the Chiefs draft a guy nobody has heard of. And then fans get upset.

And I'm totally admitting I'm guilty of this. I shat on the Rashad Fenton pick, and I shat on Mike Danna. I said stuff like, "Seriously, this is really the guy currently at the top of the Chiefs' draft board? They couldn't wait for the 7th round? They couldn't wait for undrafted free agency? They had to have him now?"

Fenton and Danna aren't world beaters, no. At least not yet. But they're damn good uses of late round draft stock, that's for sure.

I’ll admit I hated this pick.

He's playing really well, and he wears my old number :Superman:

I don't think people hate 5th round picks. I mean, what's to hate?

Veach is as good at being a GM as Mahomes is at being a QB.

Change my mind.

Danna and Taco are highly underrated on this defense. They seem to ALWAYS be around the ball.

I think this D is already better than last year's.

I'm not here to change your mind but I was wrong about Breeland Speaks, as I just couldn't envision them cutting ties with him after just one year on the field.

Considering the fact that guy isn't even on an NFL Practice Squad, in a year in which teams have loaded up with every able-bodied potential player, the issue must be much more complicated than just switching positions or losing weight.

It's been better because they've identified, signed and drafted more players that fit Spagnuolo's defense.

If this defense enters the playoffs relatively healthy, something we've yet to see this season, this team could be unstoppable.

Nailed it!!!!

What a late-round gem he is turning out to be.

This was almost a huuuuuge fumble - dude almost swatted the pitch from the reigning league MVP on the option in only his 3rd game.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Danna really shines here. Here forces Jackson to make a decision immediately and stays with him on his juke. Impressive work from the rookie. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/bopTCXT37n">pic.twitter.com/bopTCXT37n</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1311332724620353538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now, get Niemann to not stink.

Nothing against Sneed or CEH, but Danna is my favorite rookie this year. He's all over the field. I love the guy.

Yep, same here. Something definitely wrong there.

Yeah, I really only discussed him in a 'draft grade' thread and said something like "this is the kind of guy that goes in the 5th, not necessarily who I'd have taken here but whatev..."

Not sure how one can get terribly wound up either way about a 5th rounder.

Well, when a 5th rounder comes out and plays like he has, it's easy to get wound up in the good way. ;)

He's just so much more athletic than I realized.

I watch him play and wonder WTF Michigan was doing putting him over the guard as often as they did. The dude just closed in and broke down on Lamar !@#$ing Jackson and you thought to yourself "nah, let's just have him clogging up the interior..."?

Just amazing work by the Chiefs scouting department to have done the homework on him at Central Michigan and not lost track of him. They knew he was being used incorrectly his SR year and brought him in for what he COULD do rather than ignoring him for what he was struggling with at Michigan.

Really nice find by the team overall. I don't think this was actually a Veach pick though - my memory is that we had an area scout that was big on him and sold Daly on him and it was Daly that pounded the table for him.

The red flag was when he sprained an MCL and when the Chiefs could've put him on the IR one day later to give him a chance to come back, elected not to.

I wonder if he every truly had a chance to make this team at all. When you get knocked off the roster by an undrafted dude from the NAIA or wherever and then never even make the practice squad?

Sheet - the guy was probably a dead man walking for the last 12 months.

Daly’s been a GREAT hire.

We used to get pressure and sacks from primarily the big money guys. Now pretty much all DL
are getting upfield.

Which goes back to what Dane said. If that's the case, there was something more wrong than just conditioning or position. There must have been something Marcus Peters-ish about him or something.

I don't know what they saw in him in the first place. He wasn't particularly...anything.


Kind of reminds me as a KU basketball fan of Quentin Grimes.

He showed up and did nothing particularly well. I couldn't and still can't figure out why he was rated so high.

He had a very similar background to Tamba Hali.

He was a 2nd-team All SEC player his junior year playing all over the line - standing up, DE, DT.

He must have really made a bad impression - teams very rarely cut 2nd-round picks unless there's a big reason.

I can't imagine that's the case. He just seems like a loveable idiot in most ways. I've seen nothing written or whispered that he's a malignant presence.

I think ultimately he pissed off a brand new coaching staff and that was that. Guy gets a new lease on life and shows up so fat he gets hurt and then gets suspended because he's taking PEDs to shed the weight.

That was the first impression he made on Brendan Daly...a former NE Patriot trusted lieutenant.

Belichick known for freely issuing passes from his doghouse?

I feel like Daly decided early on as this tub of **** was wheezing his way through conditioning drills that he had little use for him.

This is correct, but I think Veach does a lot of this. He seems to trust his scouts and coaches. When there is synergy like that, really good things can happen.

That could very well be. The hole he dug may have been so deep he just wasn't ever getting out of it.

No question.

Having a guy who considers himself some kind of talent 'guru' is how Scott Pioli's happen.

A collaborative approach to the scouting department is absolutely essential. Nobody has the time to watch EVERYONE and frankly very few people have the raw expertise to truly understand what they're seeing.

Gotta have a department you trust. Veach certainly deserves credit for surrounding himself with smart people, but those smart people deserve more credit than "ANOTHER VEACH SUCCESS STORY!!" as well...

Sure but holy crap, the guy can't even get a job on an NFL Practice Squad during a pandemic?

Someday, I hope we learn the story behind his epic demise although the story behind Shady's benching is far more intriguing, given his past success with Reid and Veach.

It's still bizarre to me that one day, Shady's contributing and scoring touchdowns and the next, he's Persona Non Grata.

Even Shady hasn't made a peep.

Getting Daly out of NE was a great move by KC management.

He’s taken the talent Veach has provided and coached and schemed the **** out of them. Watch the twists and stunts that make blocking these athletes so much more difficult for opposing lines....

Toss in evolving LB blitz packages, with the best (Gay) yet to come....

Yeah, it wasn't just the fumbles. I'm certain of that.

I think that Veach and our scouts work so well together because because they all have the same definition of good, very good, great, and elite, when it comes to grading players at each position.

Veach has made what he is looking for in a player, at every position, clear to the scouts. And because they all understand the definition of good, very good, great, and elite, for each position, Veach doesn't have to spend so much time evaluating the evaluation that the scouts compiled for all the players.

And I think Veach keeps notes on every player, and is always checking his list against practice squads and the waiver wire. This practice is what made it possible for us to snag Butker from the Panthers practice squad. He and Toub, and the scouts, had Butker tagged as the number 1 placekicker coming out of college.

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If Sneed and Dana continue what they've shown...and become full-time starters...that's quite a haul.

Those are two expensive positions...that teams use 1st round picks on. Gives KC a lot of flexibility in upcoming drafts..

I think its part because he wasn't the same player and probably was a little loose with some team rules. Bieniemy is pretty hard on the running back room, you only play if you are doing the right things. Lastly he doesn't play special teams - which seems to be a killer for back up rbs on this team.

If Veach, Spags, and Reid can continue hitting big on a lot of these draft picks, this thing will turn into a dynasty.

OMG ARE YOU FRANK ZOMBO?!??!?!?!!?!?

I seem to recall that he and EB had a negative interaction on the sideline and that was basically the last time he dressed for a game.

YESSSSSSS!!!

I think it's a little deeper than that.

What else do you think happened?

Mike showed up today - 3 tfl and a sack. Hopefully he can continue to develop - we could really use a decent de opposite Frank.

We may need a decent DE opposite Dana...

I think Sneed can be a high end starter.

I think Danna is probably a rotational guy, but that's a great snag at the end of the 5th round.

He's ahead of Kpass already, He's definitely a starter for someone in the league. Daly has coached up a hustle guy with some real athleticism. Can we keep him healthy, expand his role in our defense, and add some weight, power speed, new skills and strength. Looks like he's on that path.

He's like what, realistically maybe 265 lbs or maybe as low as 255 right now. He's effective but not an every down guy. If he can bulk up to 275-80 by the start of next year, he is probably starting instead of kpass.

The play where he tackled the back for a loss after setting the edge and shedding his block, is the exact kind of play where Clark immediately crashes down the LOS and that run goes for 5-10 yards at least.

Danna seems to make a play that stands out every time he gets more than a few snaps.

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This guy quietly had a very good game on Sunday

https://youtu.be/DRS5STQ_ptI

Should’ve had multiple sacks, and even beat the Chargers stud rookie LT causing him to hold, which should’ve been called.

Another good game today. 3 sacks in two games. He’s earned more playing time even when Clark returns.

Just start Danna and Clark when he's healthy at DE and move Jones back to where he's a top player at the position.

They should absolutely be doing that on passing downs at the very least.

Not sure they will feel comfortable starting one of them at SDE on early downs.

Good production today by Danna. Just needs to figure out the timing....

This man had 6 pressures on Sunday and was really good. Very underrated part of the game. He looks really good so far this year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs 3rd down defense was exceptional vs Ari on Sunday.<br><br>This sack comes off a 5 man pressure from a a weak side overload &amp; N-T Twist.<br><br>NT working into the OG and pulling the OC in + LB blitz weakside leave the weak A gap open for the looper.<br><br>*ignores blown coverage* <a href="https://t.co/QaIEQ75mN8">pic.twitter.com/QaIEQ75mN8</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1569784064768462849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">first angle: look at the closing burst from Juan Thornhill into the PBU<br><br>second angle: Mike Danna with the quick win from the interior! A pass down package of Clark-Jones-Danna-Karlaftis is nothing to sneeze at. <a href="https://t.co/ku1pC3wogC">pic.twitter.com/ku1pC3wogC</a></p>&mdash; Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1569455527125741573?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Love seeing the ends over guards in passing situations.

Danna being a legit dude on the DL would be HUGE.

From your lips to God's ears, brother.

He could save us so much headache once we cut ties with Clark and potentially have to make a decision on Chris Jones as well.

As Carlos Dunlap gets healthier he'll be able to do DT in pass spots also which will be very helpful.

the dude in the flat was wide open and Murray missed him lol good pressure

that happens when your'e a ****ing 5'8" QB. If there's no lane, you can't see shit.

I was noticing Danna ransacking villages in the preseason. It seems like he's always been good on run defense, but he's built himself into a complete package this year.

Danna looked highly improved over last year and played significant snaps. Definitely a surprise so far...

Danna looks like a competent, homegrown DE.

It’s been a million years since the Chiefs developed one.

The best thing about Danna is that he still has 2 cheap years too.

Him and Karlaftis could be your starting DEs next year with very little towards the cap.

I think they go after a FA DE this offseason. Need a speed guy across from Karlaftis.

Also, don't you kill my dream of Brian Burns.

I'll save you the time of saying we just need to give up some draft picks to get one.

I just don't see a ton of options there, and I definitely don't see the Panthers trading Burns. Maybe Davenport? I think they continue to build through the draft and take that guy somewhere in the first 2 rounds.

I’d be willing to bet they draft another pass rusher early next year. And probably every year given the importance of the role.

Yup. I think pass rusher and WR is a good bet for the first 2 rounds with OL and corner taken in the mid rounds.

Clark may be an eyesore but drafting a guy like Danna who is providing results sure helps

I was going to mention WR too. Despite recent investments, both are still positions of need next year, in terms of just sheer numbers.

Definitely. I think we will pay Orlando Brown Jr (hopefully to a fair deal) and maybe Juju too.

I think we need to focus on WR and Corner with the uncertainty. I love our rookies but Fenton is likely gone next year and Sneed the year after.

I think ideally you want to extend one guy per class as a standard. Thornhill (if he keeps this up) and Gay would be my vote

We're pretty loaded with pass rushers.

Feels good man.

I still think it's too early to say we are loaded. Danna is a decent backup, Dunlap is getting old and Karlaftis is completely unproven. Jones will be good but Clark won't stay motivated all season (if past performance shows any prediction of future behavior). It's the spot we need the most help at IMO

I certainly would, without a doubt.

Keep drafting at the really expensive positions, and fill in the need spots with FA's.

I dunno about all of THAT.

Jones, Karlaftis, Dunlap all look good.

Danna is really a pretty average player, which is excellent value for his draft capital. Same with Wharton.

Clark is...well...he's the same guy he's been until we see different.

We're going to need to draft DE's again next year early.

Or, if you're Beach, keep drafting stud corners so that you never have to pay one.

It's going to be interesting to see what Bart does with the cap room once Frank is off the books. Could be OBJ extension, or extensions for others, but it'll be fun/nice nonetheless.