Another triple auto sold for $1350 tonight.

:doh!:

Think about how many sets and HOFer cards you could buy with that much cash.

Ebay is a con man's paradise.

I have a lot of high-end A Rod cards that were worth a ton back in the day. Refractors, one of ten type cards- and now are worth pennies on the dollar.

I would have been able to buy a nice house for the money if he would have not been a cheater.

Uhh....you might want to do some checking. A-rod stuff has started to take off...especially the 1994 SP Authentic.

I haven’t run into any con-men on there but I do know it’s addictive.

Give ya 2, 10ml vials of test for it?

I’d like to buy some CEH rookie cards. (Autographed if possible) if any of you have a credible source.


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Not sure what this is, but cash would work better. I will even go down to $300.00

The best source is ebay. New autographed cards that come out of the pack are already guaranteed by the card maker.

Look for raw, the graded ceh stuff is really high.

Or join breaks in with some card breakers. There are plenty out there Platinum Card Breaks usually has plenty of great high end breaks and usually livestream till early in the morning. Rich with Layton Sportcards is always first class. I have both bought from him, and he has bought from me for his own breaks he puts together. Jaspys Case Breaks is okay. Truthfully, so many out there. That you have tons of options to choose from if case breaking is something you would be interested in.

Personally, I would wait a bit. The products coming out right now only have players in their college uniforms. Buying certified autos off eBay is probably your best bet right now, the Chiefs have become so expensive to buy on a case break.

My advice is to wait until they start releasing products with CEH in a Chiefs uniform. All of this LSU/college stuff will plummet once the NFL stuff starts coming out.

Yep, all true.

Chiefs have been an expensive break since 2017.

2017 wasn’t that bad from what I hear. Too bad I didn’t get back into collecting until 2018. Mahomes cards literally doubled after the Steelers game.

Only Houston and Chicago IIRC were more expensive. By the end of the year I was paying anywhere from$200-250 depending on which product for each break. Mostly Impeccable, NT and Flawless.

This doesn’t look legit either! LMAO


https://www.ebay.com/itm/131924423112

The cert checks out for a 1981 Montana in psa8, although it makes no mention of the autograph. The flip just looks wrong and the top of the case appears to have been tampered with. I wouldn't touch that card for $10 lol

Boy this is hard to get back in. I got thousands of Griffey cards but what really chaps my ass is all the effort I put into Larry Johnson. I got multiple gold rookie sp authentic, 1/1 auto patches, just a couple hundred of them. Then he has what 4-5 domestic assault arrests? Cards that went for $1500-$2500 I owned multiples of are worth maybe $5 a piece. Still sitting on them. I’ll go back through them and despite who the player is the cards were pretty cool as far as aesthetics go.

Thanks for this! What is a “break” where multiple people throw in on a pack ?

Also how do I know what I’m buying off eBay is legit ?


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Good point. Will-do.
Thanks!


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You can do a cert validation at psa and I'm sure the other grading companies offer the same thing. For auto'ed stuff, they have there own in-house signature authentication (and if requested - grading). They are about as good as it gets, but even they can be fooled. If you are looking for a specific signature, get a good idea of what the signature looks like and be your own judge too.

Usually modern cards that are issued as signed are legit. I can think of a couple instances where the player did some sneaky stuff like having someone else sign for them, but that's definitely not the norm. I would simply say what comes from the company as signed, is legit. Then the psa/jsa/etc auth'ed signatures are a close second. The stuff with the homemade certs are like browsing the internet with no antivirus. You might come away clean, but there's a good chance you'll get burnt.

A break is where people will pool money together to absorb the cost of a product in either a full case or box. You will have breaks that you can pick the team, known as PYT or "pick your team" breaks. Depending on the team the cost of entry can vary. Some teams cost more, some teams less. Chiefs obviously are expensive. A filler on a PYT is where the remaining teams that haven't been sold in the PYT prior to breaking are added together and then sold as RT, Random Teams to those who filled with the cost being spread out among those filling for a equal entry price. Not all breakers do this as it can create accounting nightmares. Random Team, or RT breaks where everyone pays the same entry price and the teams are randomized to those who paid in. You aren't guaranteed a team you would want, but on the flip side you can get lucky and get randomized a high dollar team like the Chiefs for a lower price than if it were a PYT break. Then there are RNB or "random number breaks" where depending on the breaker the rules can vary. But a simple example would be a right side RNB break. Every number from 0-9 will be randomized to each person in the break. There are only 10 people in these breaks so the entry price will usually be more than a PYT or RT break that spreads the price over 30 teams or so. But at the same time, you can really win big sometimes on RNB breaks.

That is about as quick of rundown I can give on what a case break is. There are other types of breaks but those are the main types of breaks you will run across. Watch a few breaks on youtube to give yourself a idea. Here is a older break from a couple years ago with a great Mahomes RC pull.

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How do you tell if a card is legit off of ebay? It can come down to many factors. Putting it easily as possible. Thinking back to when you were a kid before they put autographs in packs and you had a card signed by a player at a card show, or game. Modern hand signed cards without a maker guarantee on the back. Those are the type of cards to stay the hell away from. A card made today will be guaranteed by the maker. On the back of a hand signed Panini card will say, This autograph is guaranteed by Panini. The sticker autos will say the same but have a hologram in the sticker. On a hand signed Topps it will say on the back, You recieved a Topps Certified autograph from whatever product it may it be from. Topps Sticker autos will have hologram as well in the sticker. Each maker Panini, Topps/Bowman, Leaf, Upper Deck have there own modern day authenticating markers on their cards.

Ive been tracking the 1981 Joe Montana PSA 8 Card & it’s been getting about $300/Card. PSA 10’s are insane.

What’s your advice on that card?

Sounds like a ChiefsPlanet kinda deal. LMAO

They were breaking their 213th PYT NT case. That's not including RNB breaks as well. Those cases at the time were about 2-3k depending on the time of the year. Now much more, like 30k+.

that's a lot of chiefsplanet fundraisers

The only scam artist I’ve run into on eBay was a seller who only had a (1 ) for positive. I should have known the deal was too good. I sent my money by PayPal & he cashed it & I waited a couple of weeks & nothing. I contacted him & he said he was new at eBay....

“I had my bid time out a week ago and sent the card to the bidder at that time. I may not have closed it out. I figured when the auction timed out and I printed the shipping label that it was done. I just tracked the card ad was delivered in Florida on the 4th. I tried to find a way to call e-bay and it is impossible. I am going to look at my pay pal now. I can refund you if you paid me. I will be back & I just looked and I have no idea why the card was still up. I apologize but the card was paid for on 6/1 and the label was printed that day and shipped to a guy in Florida who paid $58.08 for the card.

Your payment is still on hold in paypal. Please delete it as it is on hold this card has been shipped and paid for by the time your bid hit and you put the paypal hold on it.”

Cocknbull story to me.

That seller has one of the most expensive modern day collections I've ever seen. You can rest assured that is real.

Buy raw, in person and take a ruler to make sure it hasn't been trimmed. Make sure the seller will sell with a price comparable to ebay prices for raw Montana RC's. Then send it in to be graded. You could realistically be in that for right around $100 or so bucks considering $80 for great looking raw card and $20 to grade.

Live break:


https://youtu.be/aLwoj0Kto_o

Should I bid on this?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192914014894

Not Mahomes so not worth shit

I just added this to my collection.

That’s the one I got.

He was placing a premium on the #1 but made no difference to me.

Is this worth a $1000?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153921950891

No, but the seller can ask whatever he wants for it

Yeah that’s eBay for ya.

No.

7/10 sold for $118.50 in may or apr.

Check 130point.com for past ebay sales. It should be easier to navigate than ebay advanced search.

I would have paid the $100-150 for something like that. **** a bunch of that extra zero though.

Yesterday's contract signing has ignited a buying frenzy for Mahomes cards. Craziness.

Added another one tonight. My biggest Mahomes purchase yet!

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What would you say the value of your card collection is? I've always been interested but never get lucky with the packages they sell in Walmart and such.

Probably around $100k, but the bulk of that value is in 3 cards. I have 51 Bowman Mickey Mantle rookie, a pretty high end Lebron Upper Deck rookie auto, and the cornerstone of my collection is a triple autograph card signed by Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron.

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Very cool man, thanks for sharing.

Thats a way different signature than he has now

Very cool card. Did you pull it from something or buy it?

I was watching a break last night and learned UD still owns the rights to Jordan and Lebron card autos. Seems crazy considering they can't even make basketball cards anymore.

I've also learned I can't find a product I like that isn't well over priced or a break that doesn't absolutely rape me for being a Chiefs fan. Might have to settle for tracking down some Royals cards now that their WS win has worn off.

Wow. Doesn't get much better than that man!! Awesome

All right, you convinced me to go on an eBay binge. Two questions.

First, what'd you think of these? I thought they're kind of lackluster, besides the fact they're our champions.

https://www.fanatics.com/Kansas_City...waAud7EALw_wcB

Second, is there any way to know if these are authentic? Just bid on a few at their minimums and ended up getting this handful.

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Holy shit! How much is that worth?

Impressive.

These are all authentic pack-pulled autographs. I would tell a beginner who is wanting to make sure not to buy anything fake to make sure there is an "authentication" message on the back of the card which signifies that the card was pulled from a pack autographed. Sticker autographs are most assuredly always authentic as well, but most purists and uber collectors prefer on-card autographs since it means the player actually held the card in his hand as opposed to signing a sheet of stickers. It's a matter of preference really.

Royals from the 2015 world series can be had extremely cheap, although we do have one of the hotter prospects in baseball right now. Bobby Witt Jr. Bowman Chrome stuff has hit the market and he is the second highest value behind the Yankees international guy Jasson Dominguez. For that matter, minus Mahomes, Kelce, and Tyreek; Chiefs players from this past year can be purchased quite reasonably. I bought a Damian Williams PSA 10 auto rookie numbered out of 10 copies for $60 a couple months back. That is a steal IMO for a pretty unsung hero. Unfortunately his hobby love is going to be glossed over heavily this year by Clyde Edwards-Helaire.

It's the best investment I've ever made. I purchased it for $900 the year it came out.

No triple autographs have sold in quite a while, but there is one just like this (same grade and all) on ebay for $59,999 buy it now or best offer. Cards with just Kobe and Jordan or just Lebron and Jordan have sold in the past few months for $35,000+ each.

That's great.

I wouldn't mind finding a couple cards to pay a little tribute to the HDH trio. Have some memorabilia type stuff, but no cards on them.

I've been casually watching for a Witt Jr. in Bowman Sapphire, but nearly every one of them that stays reasonably priced is terribly off centered.

Thats crazy that the Mantle isn't considered your cornerstone, but I also get it. Hell the exquisite Lebron rookie just auctioned off for 1.8mil.

I just noticed this thread. I hadn't realized the sports card market was what it is until Adam Lefkoe mentioned it several weeks ago. I've since gotten into it. I like trying to speculate on rookie cards that I can turn for a profit down the road but that I also don't mind holding on to because i like the player.

I have created spread sheets for the cards I'm interested in and use that to determine whether I should be buying or selling. Right now I'm just getting in so its all buying but its fun to calculate average sales prices and then hunt for a bargain or look for the market on a card to sag.

So far I'm starting on ungraded cards. I study them as carefully as one can through pictures. I won't buy for example if pictures are blurry or if a picture cuts off one or more corners. Most times I won't buy if the pictures of the card are taken in sleeves and cases (unless I"m checking out a graded card). I also look for sellers who post pictures of each corner and different angles of the surfaces to show for blemishes. I'll only purchase if the sales price is around what I've calculated to the break even point for a psa 9. So I factor in PA sales tax, grading costs, postal insurance to ship it to a grader, shipping cost from the seller, shipping cost to the grading house. Generally most cards go for just a bit over what figure I come up with, but the hunt for a deal is a part of the fun for me.

Using this method I've landed 2 Mahomes Donruss 327 Rookies, a Zion Panini Mosaic 209 base, Zion Mosaic 265 Debut cards (Green and Orange variants), Panini Chronicles CEH Auto Patch/49, and a Salvy 2016 Diamond Kings Auto Patch/15 (which is more for sentimentality). I also grabbed a couple of Joe Burrow Base cards and took a flyer on a graded Cole McDonald. All but one of them look to be psa 9s at the very least, and if I'm right about that, I've effectively broken even. I just need to wait for them to increase in value (as I'm expecting those cards to do). I know, I know I've been warned already about buying raw cards expecting them to grade out, but I also know I'm not going to win every time I play the lottery either.

I'm still looking to grab a Mahomes Optic #177 rookie and a Zion Prizm #248. The value on both of those cards is shooting to the roof right now though. Gotta stay patient.

vintagecardprices is your friend. They do the heavy lifting and do a pretty good job tracking realized sales prices from most major auction houses as well as Ebay for graded cards. To me, its the most accurate "price guide" there is, although its not going to filter out shill bidding, but thats its own monster.

My experience with chasing rookies is to guess which one will be picked up by the registry collectors as the official rookie and try to grab it before it gets hot. For example, I bought a bunch of Mahomes psa10 cards in 2017 when they were $10-$20 each. I sold all but one off at the end of 2018 and made a killing (sadly nothing like what it would have been if I were selling now though). I kept the silver Prizm once it was recognized as his official rookie for the key card sets. I think I gave somewhere around $15 for it, and the last one to sell on ebay just closed at $6200, and there is one right now with 5 days to go and its at $6400.

Holy shit! How did I miss that story.

The all time highest selling sports card is no longer a t206 Honus Wagner....it’s not a babe Ruth or even a mickey mantle.....it’s a Mike Trout, for $3.8 million.

https://news.yahoo.com/rare-mike-tro...193916056.html

Picked up a pack of 2020 Score at Casey's on a whim while getting breakfast the other morning, nabbed not one but TWO Joe Burrow rookies... whats even better one is his Ohio State card, the other LSU

But I simply do NOT understand whats going on with card values anymore, I'm seeing ungraded prices on both anywhere from $30 to $130... can anyone make sense of this nonsense for me?

https://www.google.com/search?q=scor...w=1366&bih=657

So then I got curious about my Absolute Rookie Roundup Mahomes card, ungraded asking price at $150... some of the graded ones are pulling $850, and I only paid $20 for this bad boy :whackit:

https://www.ebay.com/i/293640437134?...SABEgJUCfD_BwE

have to look at ebay sold to find the comps for it or use a site like 130point

Thanks, don't know jack about ebay, but I'll check 130 out... I'm just a dinosaur with the new market, dont understand it at all

Back in In my day :skip:, Becketts was the only thing you really needed

In your opinion, what is the "official" rookie card for Burrow?

His most valuable will end up being his National Treasures RPA.

Also looking for Optic Rated Rookie and Prizm, none of which have been released yet.

Tip of the cap to you. Well done! Wish I thought about investing in this stuff a few years ago.

Cards are my side hustle, pulled a pretty sick baseball card and pulled in 5 grand off of it

Oh man I dream and cream about a score like that, gingerly pulling some kinda "moon rock" card out of some pack... a piece of game jersey, game ball and autograph all in one

Been searching for that whale going on almost 50 years, I've been cultivating this caper my whole life

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Man it was crazy couldn't believe it. I have a hobby box of bowman chrome just sitting here staring at me

Well, whaddya waiting for?

Break it dude!

Finding out the value on my Mahomes card, and the new Burrow rookies got me bit by the bug again

So I went to Wally World to spend more $$$, and all I can say is football cards must be reeeaaal hot again... display after display after display of the more premium brands were COMPLETELY empty, just totally ransacked

Had to settle on 2 fourty packs of 2019 Score, and 2 fourties of 2020

Didn't get anything worth bragging about at all, nothing currently valued over $2-3... thought I might have a goody with a Tua rookie, but its not fetching more than $1 from what I can see LMAO

But I'll be hanging onto it just in case...

Yeah people are flipping retail product now. Like it's their full time job. A lot of people have a side deal with the vendor who stocks the product.

It's such a freaking racket... the salad days are apparently here again, but just like in the 90's that kinda stuff will kill it off soon enough

I know it's not sports cards, but thought it fit the theme.. Got this from Pristine Auction for just $40 after tax and shipping. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find this football for less than $50 without the Christian Okoye signature.

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I hope it's authentic. I don't trust autos

I tend to think the same, but it's got a COA from James Spence Authentication.

Thats very slick, much better than my only autographed card from THE Dede Westbrook :whackit:

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My very first card of any kind.

I sold a Mahomes RC on EBay recently for $14k lol. Originally purchased it for $450 back in late 2018.

I'm no collector, but I have many NFL and NBA cards from 1977 through 1984. A Julius Erving all-star card, Pete Maravich, rookie Dan Marino and Marcus Allen cards, among many others...I need to take the time to look them up.

People have been telling me the market has exploded since the covid-19 hit.

I just bought this at an antique shop. Not really worth anything but neat nonetheless.