Vikings dude comes in here to pound his chest, immediately gets Kirk Cousins thrown back at him. It's justice, really.

So you come here and profess how the Vikes fleeced us, then you run over to the Orange Mange and start a thread and talk shit at how we reacted to your chest pounding. Vikings Fans - LMAO :lame:

Dude actually ran to the Mange and started a thread about us. LMAO
Completely left out the fact that he came here first bragging how we got fleeced. So he runs off, tail between his legs, to the Mange b/c we are so mean. Now he's the most popular guy there b/c he's dogging us. Can't make this shit up. LMAO

OMG that's hysterical. I had to go read it. He's whining about how horribly he was treated. What a wuss. He wasn't even treated that badly here.

https://www.orangemane.com/forum/ora...may-i-just-add

Wow, what a bitch.

MikeVike and the rest of those Donk fans can go suck a dick. Link this thread to them, pussy.

What kind of fruit cake runs to a division rival message board to whine about how he was treated?

You are one special ass ****ing moron.

I know! FUNNY AS HELL! Now, the most popular guy on their BB. He found LOTS of insecure friends, just like him, whose team also has no QB. ROFL

What a mouse c*nt.

We traded a 6th.

If it doesn't work out, oh well...

Hey, MikeVike, learn how to spell "awful."

How much did we even trade back to get him? 10 spots? 15 spots? From the last pick in the 6th round to an earlier 7th? Lol

The reward far out weighs the zero risk.

I used to root for the Vikings kind of in the NFC until a couple years ago when we played them. Their fans at Arrowhead were the worst group of fans I've encountered as a STH. And it wasn't just an isolated event, it was everywhere.

SKOLololol

Hey! Be careful. Saying something like that might hurt his feelings. Before you know it he'll be running over to the mange and crying about how mean we are.

Anytime Veach uses a 6th round pick it's the proverbial " Let's give him a look"

Wow, what a choade that guy is. Comes on here, talks about how his team fleeced us, gets pointed out as wrong, flees to a rival board whining about how mean we are for not affirming his arrogant and incorrect post.

Of course he gets his much needed sense of self affirmation from a bunch of pompous fans who think they somehow know more about football based off of how many SBs their team has been to. They also derive a sense of self worth based off of where they live (the old I am better than you because of where I am from, not because of who I am smack).

The things you witness spending time here.

Your name is wrong bitch...Mikeoutstanding citizen is more like it bitch

That's funny the auto. LMAO

The definition of internet butthurt

Checking the Drafttek trade value chart, Hughes cost the Chiefs a whopping 2.8 points moving from a late 6th to a mid round 7th. Veach rules.

Mike Hughes?

Mike Hughes?

Hey, has anyone seen Mike Hughes lately?

If they did, I hope it's shaved.

You're a cum guzzling twat.

You'll fit right in at the Orange Mange.

Vikes are a bigger joke of a franchise than even the Browns

Yep I was there. Matt Moore and Butker with the game winner right over my head!

My standard line to those SKOL jerkoffs was "We might have only won 1 superbowl but when we did we beat you guys, How many have the Vikings won?"

For my money that is still one of the top 10 games in the Reid era, Mahomes or not.

I bet it was amazing to be there.

Man did you ever pick the wrong forum to swing your dick! The trade means nothing! Your team has not won anything in years! Your team CHEATED the Saints 2 years ago and you still lost! ROFL I hope you have a HUGE appetite! Because an enormous bag of DICKS is coming your way! Do you really think your team will win the division with the Bears and Packers? You have Kirk Cousins! ROFLROFLROFL The trade was MEANINGLESS! Your team has a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG way to go and you worry about a meaningless MH trade? I am loving this! Grand prize for YOU! Large bag of dicks as a parting gift! Bon Apatite!

lol. Imagine being so worked up over a 6th round pick that you cry about it on two different NFL teams message boards. What a little bitch.

That we know of.

Awwww one fan of an irrelevant franchise went to another board for another irrelevant franchise to complain that Chiefs fans were mean to him for having an awful football take....... that’s adorable.

We should wear this as a badge of honor.

KC runs the AFC and another ring is coming up. We are bulletproof

shit. He should stick around and see how we treat each other.

LMAO

Jesus. What was said to Mike was being treated badly?

What is the world coming to?

two words: Kirk Cousins

It only hurts when you know it's true

Come back MikeVike. We’re not done clowning on you.

For the record, Hughes likely had a compression fracture in a cervical vertebrae, probably like C5-6. Sounds scary but most patients have good recoveries.

https://vikings61.com/the-prognosis-...r-is-not-good/

He’ll be 18+ months out from the injury by Week 1 and should be healed up.

It's a pick swap our 6th for their 7th right? Ours will be the back of round 6, theirs will be in the first 10 in round 7, this is literally getting Hughes for free. If he works out, great. If not, it cost nothing.

Not according to MikeVike. We got fleeced in his world. If you don't agree you are a meanie and he will tell everyone about it over on the OrangeMane.

Everyone else agrees with you though. It's a low round flyer on a guy who has first round talent, even if he has has yet to live up to that. He pans out, it's a steal. If he doesn't we lose essentially nothing.

You're such a bully. Why can't you just agree with TykeBike so he doesn't get such hurt feelings?

I think this guy is definitely going to be our slot corner.

The guy ran a 6.70 3 cone. That is an excellent time proving he has the quickness and lateral agility.

He’s also a bigger, stronger corner that holds up well against blocks and isn’t afraid to come up and tackle RB’s.

I think this move has a chance to be pretty solid. It’s a win/win now that Sneed can go outside.

Bring back Breeland and we good

Kurt Cousins was 14th in salary and 18th in QBR last year.

Enjoy the Alex Smith, mediocrity hamster wheel to nowhere, ****face.

This! And the Donk fans were like "Yes, Chiefs fans are mean- but this is a "Safe Place" for you, friend!"

Donks only hope to break their losing streak against us, is that they somehow mortgage their future for Rodgers--or we have the Bye wrapped up and rest our starters against them in January.

Is that guy really trying to act like going from the 7th to the 6th is significant value?

It's next to nothing.

Any possible injury settlement is of much more value. I'm not sure that settlement will be very significant since a case can be made that it happened under the vikings. I'm not sure how that works.

Good ****ing Lord what a crybaby.

I love ya man! LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Meh. I mean it's little draft capital given up so whatever but man... as much as I liked Hughes coming out he's just not that same player, and that neck injury looms like a dark cloud over his career going forward. Any next hit could be it, or worse.

I guess you kind of hope you can squeeze a season of high-level slot play out of him and dump him for what amounts to minimal investment.

But we gave up about the equivalent of a 7th round pick. If Hughes does play at anything close to "high-level," aren't we getting more out of that pick than we really could expect otherwise?

I dont think its an either or thing. I think they need both to happen for them to have any shot at ending the streak.

I used to think Minnesotans were tough, salt-of-the-earth type folks. But between watching woke Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey dancing around like a flaming bundle of sticks and watching MikeVike's vagina bleed out because some people who know light years more about football were mean to her, I now think Minnesotans are softer than Justin Trudeau on his third cycle of hormone replacement therapy.

Moving up 15-20 picks into the 6th. That's literally a bag of chips and a Pepsi to give a 1st round guy a second chance to finish his recovery from health issues and play in the NFL. Talk about zero downside and a high ceiling.

Haha right?

This kind of stuff is said daily from one cp member to another.

90 year old Bud Grant attending the midfield coin toss wearing short sleeves in -10 degree weather is the only awesome thing the Vikings have done in the past ten years

Yes, but it's not about return on minimal investment as I tried to state.

We could also watch the kid stretchered off the field needing hope to ever walk again on any tackle. Taking that chance has me thinking it might not have been the best idea.

It's not that he just cracked the vertebrae and it healed, but that more neck injuries followed last year which shut him down. It points to the reality that everything isn't quite right there. I'm concerned about it. Quite frankly, I'm more surprised that Hughes didn't retire because of it.

Not long ago, we spent our 6th round pick on Khalil McKenzie whom we drafted as a defensive tackle with the plan to convert him into an offensive guard.

And giving up a 7th for Hughes 'concerns' you?

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict concerns me. Covid variants concern me. Mahomes not staying in a protective bubble concerns me. Taking a flier on a guy in exchange for a 7th round pick should not concern any of us.

Unless you'd like your pick of these success stories?

2020 | Pick No. 237 | BoPete Keyes | CB | Tulane

2019 | Pick No. 216 | Nick Allegretti | OL | Illinois

2015 | Pick No. 233| Da'Ron Brown | WR | Northern Illinois

2013 | Pick No. 207 | Mike Catapano | DL | Princeton

2012 | Pick No. 218 | Jerome Long | DL | San Diego State

2012 | Pick No. 238 | Junior Hemingway | WR | Michigan

2011 | Pick No. 223 | Shane Bannon | RB | Yale

2009 | Pick No. 256 | Ryan Succop | K | South Carolina

2009 | Pick No. 212 | Javarris Williams |RB | Tennessee State

2009 | Pick No. 237 | Jake O'Connell | TE | Miami (OH)

2008 | Pick No. 210 | Brian Johnston | DL | Gardner-Webb

2008 | Pick No. 239 | Mike Merritt | TE | Central Florida

2007 |Pick No. 231 | Michael Allan | TE | Whitworth (WA)

2006 | Pick No. 228 | Jarrad Page | DB | UCLA

2005 | Pick No. 238 | Jeremy Parquet | OL | Southern Miss

2005 | Pick No. 229 | James Kilian | QB | Tulsa

2004 | Pick No. 231 | Kevin Sampson |OL | Syracuse

2003 | Pick No. 252 | Willie Pile | DB | Virginia Tech

2003 |Pick No. 230 | Montique Sharpe | DL | Wake Forest

2002 | Pick No. 221 | Maurice Rodriguez | LB | Fresno State

2001 | Pick No. 212 | Shaunard Harts | DB | Boise State

2001 | Pick No. 243 | Terdell Sands | DL | Tennessee - Chattanooga

2000 | Pick No. 208 | Desmond Kitchings | WR | Furman

Ahh yesss, TERDell Sands.

It was a crazy, we didn't have Clark, Fisher or the Doctor in that game either... Their fans were the worst before the game, and going back to the car we were talking to each other loudly saying "Can't believe we won that game without 4-5 starter and a QB who was coaching and teaching high school a few weeks ago" as we walked by their fans. They were obnoxious as hell.

It was a great game in the Reid era and we almost beat GB as well...

With our coaching and surrounding talent, coupled with the motivation to earn a big contract....this is a very fascinating trade. Our CB group is very talented and could end up being one of the best cb groups in the league.

If Chiefs keep Mike Hughes his cap hit will be $1,825,566. If he gets cut by KC, we will have $648,076 of dead money and we will save $1,177,490, so Mike has a $648,076 guarantee.

As kccrow said, the first concern is with his health and not doing long term damage to Mike.

I am sure Kansas City doctors would not bless a trade if they detect issues with his neck, so Mike will try to make the team and earn his money.

I really liked Mike Hughes in the 2018 draft and thought he would be a good NFL football player, but his injuries have been a problem. His 2018 ACL tear and his cervical neck injury has caused him to miss 10 games (ACL) in 2018, 2 games (neck) in 2019, and 12 games (neck) in 2020.

It's not a problem doing the trade the Chiefs did, but it would be a problem counting on Hughes to be the 2021 slot CB starter and not having a Plan B.

Brett Veach will have a Plan B.

Perhaps you don't understand anything. I openly said at the ****ing onset, if any of you could actually read more than two words in a row, that the compensation for him was NOT the problem.

I'm concerned we're going to see this kid become a paraplegic on the field. Maybe you haven't been as intimately involved with that tragedy in life as I have so you really don't give a ****. I'd personally rather not watch it happen and there is a higher than average chance it does.

As for your list, we all know 6th and 7th round picks have a low hit rate. At least Succop was and remains a good kicker. Page was good before he tore his shoulder up. So at least there's something there. Allegretti was pretty serviceable all season at guard despite not playing well, along with the rest of the Oline, in the Super Bowl.

Breeland already showed signs of losing his top end speed. But with the horrific injury he had, it's amazing he ever played again, much less became a starter and a major contributor to a Super Bowl championship team. My hat is off to him forever.

But the fact that he is losing his top end speed, combined with missing time for substance abuse violations and the developmentor the youngsters means that the time is right to move on without him.

I’ll be surprised if we don’t bring Breeland back on another 1 year deal once camp approaches. No need to sign him until then and I’m sure he would rather wait for a team with an injury in an already thin CB group to make him an offer of something more than the minimal amount we are sure to have on the table.

Bashaud Breeland ran a 4.62 at his 2014 combine. At his Clemson Pro Day, he was able to improve to a 4.57, so not speedy.

Bashaud has said in interviews his success is being a physical corner. He is going to bump, pull, tug, grab, and that will sometimes get penalties. Last year Breeland was penalized 13 times for such things as illegal use of hands, illegal contact, defensive holding, and of course defensive pass interference.

I think Bashaud Breeland is still a good football player and could help the Chiefs, so I would like for the Chiefs to re-sign him.

As you imply, the Chiefs may have decided it is time to move on.

Side note - What horrific injury, his foot that got infected?

I know this is a Mike Hughes thread but since we have already side tracked to Bashaud Breeland, I'll ask another Breeland question.

Last year Bashaud was suspended for four games.

So last year's suspension was not for the South Carolina incident.

Is it possible that teams have shown no interest in signing Bashaud because he faces another even longer suspension?

I'm still holding out for Brian Johnston to be the next Jared Allen.

Something wrong with Fenton?

For 2021, Ward, Sneed, Fenton look fine as your starting CB's and slot.

Baker, Bopete, and Hughes are depth with potential.

Not at all opposed to Breeland part 3.

If you want to grouse about the CB room in 2022, yeah, we'll need to make some decisions, but I see no reason for panic.

The first two dozen posts on this thread are specifically about getting "fleeced" out of a 6th round pick.

How is pointing out the utter insignificance of a 6th round pick somehow "mean"?

I guess the upshot is that thread on OM, where he's now basically talking to himself.

That's a good question. One that the Chiefs seem to be trying to answer too.

Last year when Bashaud Breeland was out, Fenton started out with the Texans game at 55% of defensive snaps and then the next 3 weeks with Chargers, Ravens, and Patriots, he was close to 100% of the defensive snaps.

Bashaud came back from his 4 week suspension but then L'Jarius Sneed went down with his collar bone injury. For the next 7 weeks Rashad was used at around 50% of the defensive snaps. That was Raiders, Bills, Broncos, Jets, Panthers, Raiders, and Buccaneers.

Something then happened where Rashad Fenton's defensive snaps were like a roller coaster. Broncos 0% of defensive snaps. Dolphins 46% defensive snaps. Saints 5% of defensive snaps. Falcons 0% defensive snaps. Chargers where we rested starters, 70% of defensive snaps. Browns with playoffs, 0% of defensive snaps. Bills 40% of defensive snaps. Buccaneers in Super Bowl, 0% of defensive snaps.

Fenton hurt his ankle in the last Chargers game, which would explain the Browns game usage. In the other games with 0% usage, he played special teams, so he could play.

I think Rashad Fenton has value, but KC is still working on how to use him best.

Well, there's that.

I mean, Jarrad Page was pretty good for a few years.

Jake O'Connell somehow was on this roster for 4 full seasons.

Imagine if we miss out on the next Jake O'Connell because of this trade. :rolleyes:

He's not super fast, but I can't imagine that's the only issue.

I must be missing something with Ward. To me he's a passable no 2 corner, at best, who likes to give up the deep ball...

He doesn't give up the deep ball often. He's very steady.

Ward is the king of standing next to the wide receiver in a phone booth, and looking surprised when the receiver catches the ball. He is very good at sticking with receivers, but is trash when it comes to ball awareness. He doesn't have a locked neck like Bartee, which makes it even more frustrating when he looks amazed that the QB threw the ball to his receiver and his receiver caught it.

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After Super Bowl LIV, Ward had LASIK surgery. Charvarius was having trouble picking up and seeing the thrown ball. I had hoped the surgery would help him.

Ron Howard: It did not.

As a lifelong sufferer, bad vision is a bitch.

Well I guess Ward's 1st time as an unrestricted free agent after the 2021 season will reveal whether or not NFL GMs use chiefs planet talent evaluators to make contract offers.

I think Ward will be offered more than $10 million AAV by some team. He might give the Chiefs a hometown discount, but Chiefs would have to guarantee most of the 1st three years.

If he signs elsewhere, hopefully it is for a huge contract that helps the Chiefs for future Comp picks.

Personally I would just like to say, Charvarius Ward is a very special cornerback and probably top 5 in the NFL...

That's in case those NFL GMs are reading and they want to offer $50 M.

It's going to be a Win-Win either way.

Ward is either going to sign a reasonable 3 year deal to stay with the Chiefs or he's going to sign an even bigger deal, which will provide the Chiefs with at least a 4th round Comp Pick, if not a 3rd.

Yea Wards gone after this year, I don't see how he comes back.

Has anything been written about when/if Mike Hughes will join training...OTA's or later?

Yep.

Personally, I agree with Mecca. I think some team will pay him way more than the Chiefs should.

Yep, that's most likely to happen.

Then, Veach will draft some no-name dude in the 5th round that ends up being even more valuable than Ward.

Your completely right. It's hard to find much negative about this move. Worst case, we move down 20 picks from our 6th round pick. I think if hes even remotely capable this trade is a win.

You know we're bored when we're arguing with numbskulls about the worth of a 6th round pick a year removed.