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Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 15705045)
Nobody here has watched any practice.

Humphrey, Smith and Niang starting is possible week 1 and assuming no injuries to those 3 players, it is very likely that they are starting after the bye and through the playoffs.

The best thing about LDT was his physical toughness and playing to the whistle. Smith may be more physical.

I hope I can find some loudmouth who thinks he knows everything to give me big odds on the bet that the Chiefs will not start Humphrey, Smith and Niang in any game during the 2021 season.

A lot this is based on preconceived notions about Andy Reid. It's understandable. He has always done things a certain way, at least up until a few years ago.

However, he is clearly evolving in a lot of ways. If Humphrey, Smith and Niang all look like superior players to anyone else at those spots, I don't see why they wouldn't play either.

Andy always says he's going to pick the 5 best guys on the o-line and play them. We'll see if that rule stands firm if 3 of those best guys happen to be rookies.

poolboy 06-11-2021 01:01 PM

Are we forgetting about Allegreti in all this?

ToxSocks 06-11-2021 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 15705092)
Are we forgetting about Allegreti in all this?

Who's that?

Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 15705092)
Are we forgetting about Allegreti in all this?

It's a good point, by the end of last year he was clearly our best interior lineman.

We've added so many pieces though that I can't see him being more than a backup now, but certainly a valuable one.

BossChief 06-11-2021 01:11 PM

Allegreti is a poor pass protector.

I’d bet on him being traded.

There simply aren’t enough roster spots.

Dunerdr 06-11-2021 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 15705092)
Are we forgetting about Allegreti in all this?

No, he and Andre Wylie are going to do Oklahoma drills to determine the last interior spot on the line.

oldman 06-11-2021 01:35 PM

Until we see who lines up where after the 1st week of TC, it's all speculation and high hopes. Right now all we know (barring injury) is Brown the LT and Thuney is the LG.

That said, I would expect to see at least one of our rookies in the starting lineup mid-season.

Skyy God 06-11-2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 15705133)
Until we see who lines up where after the 1st week of TC, it's all speculation and high hopes. Right now all we know (barring injury) is Brown the LT and Thuney is the LG.

That said, I would expect to see at least one of our rookies in the starting lineup mid-season.

If the Chiefs thought Creed wasn’t ready, they wouldn’t have wasted 1st string snaps on him at OTAs. Blythe would need to develop chemistry with Mahomes as well.

Smith and Niang are the question marks.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 15705182)
If the Chiefs thought Creed wasn’t ready, they wouldn’t have wasted 1st string snaps on him at OTAs. Blythe would need to develop chemistry with as well.

Smith and Niang are the question marks.

Oh yeah, Humphrey is a day one starter without question. You don't draft a center in the 2nd round to sit on the bench behind a guy like Blythe. Barring injury, he's your center.

Between Smith and Niang, I think if one of those two win a starting job day one you'd have to be pretty thrilled. Certainly next year you have a C, RG & RT trio with elite talent across the board making next to nothing salary wise, which is exactly what you need when you're paying Thuney $80 million and most likely are giving Brown one of the biggest LT deals in history.

smithandrew051 06-11-2021 02:41 PM

Most would agree that Blythe is about the same quality as Reiter overall. Better run blocker, worse pass blocker. Fine player, not great though.

Absolutely awesome to have that guy as your back up center though. Very underrated move.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15705235)
Most would agree that Blythe is about the same quality as Reiter overall. Better run blocker, worse pass blocker. Fine player, not great though.

Absolutely awesome to have that guy as your back up center though. Very underrated move.

And backup guard. He can fill in at all 3 interior positions.

Very nice player to have especially as dirt cheap as he is.

Chris Meck 06-11-2021 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15704713)
It will be really interesting to see what they do with it.

I don't think they're going to start 3 guys on the right that have never played an NFL down.

I think Humphrey is a lock at OC. After that, I think Niang has the 2nd-best shot to win a starting job.

Which means Smith is the odd man out there. There's much more depth/competition at RG than at either RT or OC.

Dat's what I'm sayin'.

Chris Meck 06-11-2021 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15705107)
No, he and Andre Wylie are going to do Oklahoma drills to determine the last interior spot on the line.

Alegretti would ****ing destroy Wylie in Oklahoma drills.

Oxford 06-11-2021 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15705266)
Alegretti would ****ing destroy Wylie in Oklahoma drills.

Somewhere Marty is smiling..............

JakeF 06-11-2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15704907)
Oh, give me a ****ing break.

LDT is 6 year veteran and Super Bowl champion. The Chiefs aren't going to dump him, nor are they going to eat his salary when they have so little room left.

NFL players miss entire seasons due to injury all the mother****ing time and many come back at the same exact level as before. LDT wasn't injured, he opted out to help others. He's not recovering from a torn ligament or broken or fractured bone. He's a professional football player and as long as he's willing to play this season, he'll be the favorite to start at right guard.

Good grief.

LDT opted out last year and then decided to not attend voluntary camp this year.

That doesn't bode well for his dedication.

I'm not sure why they put Trey Smith at LG on the depth chart but i'm hoping he plays so well in TC that they have him switch sides and start at RG.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15705266)
Alegretti would ****ing destroy Wylie in Oklahoma drills.

It would be hilarious to watch. Wylie is such a goddamn pussy. No idea why and how he is still on this team, especially with a $3 million tender.

New World Order 06-11-2021 03:51 PM

How did Blythe do at guard?

-King- 06-11-2021 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 15705325)
How did Blythe do at guard?

According to Rams forums/articles, almost ProBowl level his first year and solid but slightly worse than the first year in his second. Then he got moved to center.

DaneMcCloud 06-11-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 15705311)
LDT opted out last year and then decided to not attend voluntary camp this year.

That doesn't bode well for his dedication.

:facepalm:

If LDT leaves the Canada, he has to quarantine for two weeks before re-entering.

Your bullshit speculation knows no bounds.

DaneMcCloud 06-11-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15705315)
It would be hilarious to watch. Wylie is such a goddamn pussy. No idea why and how he is still on this team, especially with a $3 million tender.

It's clearly because you know more about NFL offensive lineman than Andy Reid.

smithandrew051 06-11-2021 04:35 PM

I heard a little bit of Teicher on the radio today explaining how losing Long creates a major question mark along the OL for the Chiefs. I swear that dude has a Haglund’s Deformity on his brain.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15705358)
It's clearly because you know more about NFL offensive lineman than Andy Reid.

Never once made that claim. It’s a Chiefs message board where average fans go to express their uneducated opinions. That’s literally the one and only purpose of this sites existence.

I’m really sorry that upsets you so much.

DaneMcCloud 06-11-2021 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15705394)
Never once made that claim. It’s a Chiefs message board where average fans go to express their uneducated opinions. That’s literally the one and only purpose of this sites existence.

I’m really sorry that upsets you so much.

Upset me?

LMAO

I think you're nothing more than moronic homer with your head up your ass in 99% of the topics in which you post.

You're like a slightly older Mahomo.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15705415)
Upset me?

LMAO

I think you're nothing more than moronic homer with your head up your ass in 99% of the topics in which you post.

You're like a slightly older Mahomo.

Thank you for your insight.

Titty Meat 06-11-2021 06:19 PM

1 good thing about covid was no OTAs or pre season. Alot of you are reeruned and put way too much emphasis on this shit and "reports"

srvy 06-11-2021 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 15705359)
I heard a little bit of Teicher on the radio today explaining how losing Long creates a major question mark along the OL for the Chiefs. I swear that dude has a Haglund’s Deformity on his brain.

A healthy inspired Long could easily challenge for RG or even RT. I have no doubt he could win either of those starting positions and hold them down as long as healthy, but he is glass.

This O-line was embarrassed in the Superbowl and could have severely injured there once in a generation QB. It bordered on malpractice how they handled their interior line. Then their corner tackles broke down and had no reliable depth. No one on the right side of the line is a lock. This offseason proves they knew they had a problem that needed fixing if they wanted to save their once in a generation QB.

srvy 06-11-2021 06:49 PM

Also, LDT knew the covid quarantine protocol in Canada and had ample time to make arrangements. Apparently he had no intention of attending the voluntary minicamp. Now we don't know if he had the blessings of the Chiefs or not. I do know it was reported that they were light on offensive linemen and some drills were not possible. So that doesn't look too good on his part but it was his right to opt out. We will see how he works out.

Halfcan 06-11-2021 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 15705465)
Also, LDT knew the covid quarantine protocol in Canada and had ample time to make arrangements. Apparently he had no intention of attending the voluntary minicamp. Now we don't know if he had the blessings of the Chiefs or not. I do know it was reported that they were light on offensive linemen and some drills were not possible. So that doesn't look too good on his part but it was his right to opt out. We will see how he works out.

LDT has never attended the OTA's before.

srvy 06-11-2021 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 15705501)
LDT has never attended the OTA's before.

I didn't know this. Seems dedicated to a craft but not football apparently. He is not a dummy. His chosen true passion will be a lot less damaging to his body and this hobby can easily pay for his medical school plus leave a solid nest egg.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-11-2021 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 15705460)
A healthy inspired Long could easily challenge for RG or even RT. I have no doubt he could win either of those starting positions and hold them down as long as healthy, but he is glass.

This O-line was embarrassed in the Superbowl and could have severely injured there once in a generation QB. It bordered on malpractice how they handled their interior line. Then their corner tackles broke down and had no reliable depth. No one on the right side of the line is a lock. This offseason proves they knew they had a problem that needed fixing if they wanted to save their once in a generation QB.

It’s definitely a shame. A healthy Long at RG would have been a difference maker. Who knows, maybe he recovers in time to make an impact. Obviously you’re not getting 16 games out of him but he’s easily the best option at RG on paper.

I just feel bad for the guy. He certainly didn’t need to come back for money. He just loves football. He worked his ass off to turn into an athletic freak and then chips his kneecap or some weird shit. Just sucks for everyone.

Halfcan 06-11-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 15705522)
I didn't know this. Seems dedicated to a craft but not football apparently. He is not a dummy. His chosen true passion will be a lot less damaging to his body and this hobby can easily pay for his medical school plus leave a solid nest egg.

On 610- they said the Chiefs gave him a pass because of medical school- but he Has attended all mandatory events and practices.

It won't matter, Trey Smith will take his lunch money and his spot on the line.

"The dude is a beast!" Mahomes

Megatron96 06-11-2021 09:48 PM

I was hoping that Long would be able to stay healthy. He had a good career as a top tier OL.

Halfcan 06-11-2021 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 15705688)
I was hoping that Long would be able to stay healthy. He had a good career as a top tier OL.

:thumb:

Have they even said what exactly happened to his knee and the extent of the injury?

oldman 06-11-2021 10:58 PM

Is it his knee or his lower leg? The first reports were a broken kneecap, but I had one of those and it wasn't all that big a deal since there was no ligament damage. I was on crutches for about 10 days, then switched to a cane for 4 weeks.

Chiefaholic 06-12-2021 10:57 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3kmrq7W...jpg&name=large

kccrow 06-12-2021 02:20 PM

Brokedick gonna brokedick.

TEX 06-13-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 15705811)
Is it his knee or his lower leg? The first reports were a broken kneecap, but I had one of those and it wasn't all that big a deal since there was no ligament damage. I was on crutches for about 10 days, then switched to a cane for 4 weeks.

At first they said knee, then it changed to lower leg.

Wilson8 06-15-2021 12:44 AM

Chiefs sign OT Wyatt Miller.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyatt_Miller

eDave 06-15-2021 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15706205)
Brokedick gonna brokedick.

He's no Alex Smith. You fail to comeback from this and Alex gonna neg on you.

MahomesMagic 06-15-2021 05:28 AM

I am fine with Trey Smith winning the job and never looking back.

Trey Smith's Progress Could Accelerate Chiefs' Youth Movement Along Offensive Line
As the Kansas City Chiefs continue preparing for the 2021 season, rookie offensive lineman Trey Smith has received glowing reviews from OTAs.
JORDAN FOOTEJUN 13, 20

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/gm-rep...youth-movement

FloridaMan88 06-15-2021 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15705356)
If LDT leaves the Canada, he has to quarantine for two weeks before re-entering.

So what?

He could have stayed in KC for the past month to participate in the voluntary OTA’s… that 90% of his team mates participated in and then this week’s mandatory minicamp.

DaneMcCloud 06-15-2021 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15709002)
So what?

He could have stayed in KC for the past month to participate in the voluntary OTA’s… that 90% of his team mates participated in and then this week’s mandatory minicamp.

I really couldn't care less because it's not my decision and I'm not LDT

DaneMcCloud 06-15-2021 01:50 PM

LDT is in KC. He had quick presser today and said he really missed football.

RealSNR 06-15-2021 04:35 PM

Reid loves a veteran OL.

People are writing off LDT, but as long as he doesn’t suck total shit, he’ll be a serious consideration at starting RG.

If the training camp depth chart (yeah, the one that means nothing) comes out with LDT on first team, don’t act surprised

RunKC 06-15-2021 05:21 PM

After what happened last year I really don’t care that LDT is back. Fill the depth chart with proven players. Allegretti and Wylie can’t be on the field.

Hell bring back Osemele on the vet minimum and put his ass on the practice squad. Worst case scenario Armegedon happens and we have 4 guards injured and need his ass for a small stretch.

Sure beats the alternative

New World Order 06-15-2021 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15709346)
Reid loves a veteran OL.

People are writing off LDT, but as long as he doesn’t suck total shit, he’ll be a serious consideration at starting RG.

If the training camp depth chart (yeah, the one that means nothing) comes out with LDT on first team, don’t act surprised

My hope is that there's a veteran at RG then Niang starting at RT:

Brown Thuney Humphrey LDT Niang

Halfcan 06-15-2021 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15709111)
LDT is in KC. He had quick presser today and said he really missed football.

Great interview- LDT is going for his Masters at Harvard now.

He said he is lifting more weight than he ever did and hopes it transfers over to the field.

He knows he has to compete for that spot and is going to give his best.

Chris Meck 06-15-2021 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 15709412)
My hope is that there's a veteran at RG then Niang starting at RT:

Brown Thuney Humphrey LDT Niang

this is my expectation.

RealSNR 06-16-2021 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15709408)
After what happened last year I really don’t care that LDT is back. Fill the depth chart with proven players. Allegretti and Wylie can’t be on the field.

Hell bring back Osemele on the vet minimum and put his ass on the practice squad. Worst case scenario Armegedon happens and we have 4 guards injured and need his ass for a small stretch.

Sure beats the alternative

Lol. You're really going to throw the baby out with the bathwater with Allegretti?

He's decent for a backup. You're being a drama queen.

Rasputin 06-16-2021 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15709346)
Reid loves a veteran OL.

People are writing off LDT, but as long as he doesn’t suck total shit, he’ll be a serious consideration at starting RG.

If the training camp depth chart (yeah, the one that means nothing) comes out with LDT on first team, don’t act surprised


I'm not writing off LDT I think he is a very viable starting RG and that he was on our Super Bowl winning team says something about him. Also a guy we missed that would have been a difference in points in the Super Bowl because we would have had a staring RG at the job.

Dunerdr 06-16-2021 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15709779)
Lol. You're really going to throw the baby out with the bathwater with Allegretti?

He's decent for a backup. You're being a drama queen.

I thought he played pretty well for a back up, and could possibly take another step after some starting time and an offseason to digest it.

htismaqe 06-16-2021 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15709408)
After what happened last year I really don’t care that LDT is back. Fill the depth chart with proven players. Allegretti and Wylie can’t be on the field.

Hell bring back Osemele on the vet minimum and put his ass on the practice squad. Worst case scenario Armegedon happens and we have 4 guards injured and need his ass for a small stretch.

Sure beats the alternative

There is no reason to bring back Osemele. He's no different than Long at this point.

TEX 06-16-2021 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15709933)
There is no reason to bring back Osemele. He's no different than Long at this point.

Proved it last year.

Chief Roundup 06-16-2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15709408)
After what happened last year I really don’t care that LDT is back. Fill the depth chart with proven players. Allegretti and Wylie can’t be on the field.

Hell bring back Osemele on the vet minimum and put his ass on the practice squad. Worst case scenario Armegedon happens and we have 4 guards injured and need his ass for a small stretch.

Sure beats the alternative

You can't be blaming the injuries and how the season turned out on LDT opting out????

They have already said that they will not be able to have veterans on the PS this year. They were last year because of Covid but that is over.

staylor26 06-16-2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 15710649)
You can't be blaming the injuries and how the season turned out on LDT opting out????

They have already said that they will not be able to have veterans on the PS this year. They were last year because of Covid but that is over.

I think he’s saying that after all the injuries last year he doesn’t care that LDT is back because it might not be enough.

PunkinDrublic 06-16-2021 09:59 PM

This signing is looking more and more like Kyle Turley 2.0.

RealSNR 06-16-2021 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 15711025)
This signing is looking more and more like Kyle Turley 2.0.

Kyle Turley actually played in a game for the Chiefs.

It's debatable if Long will ever get that chance. Even if he comes back and stays healthy, the Chiefs will have moved on to find their starter in training camp, and might not be inclined to move that guy back to the bench if he's doing well.

Dunerdr 06-17-2021 07:44 AM

Remember all the Kyle Turley hype? "His shoulder pads are stretched tight, you can barely tell that he has them on because hes in such good shape."

Wisconsin_Chief 06-17-2021 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 15711167)
Remember all the Kyle Turley hype? "His shoulder pads are stretched tight, you can barely tell that he has them on because hes in such good shape."

I honestly remember a lot of fans at the time saying ridiculous things like "We'll barely even miss Roaf..."

Good stuff.

htismaqe 06-17-2021 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15711072)
Kyle Turley actually played in a game for the Chiefs.

It's debatable if Long will ever get that chance. Even if he comes back and stays healthy, the Chiefs will have moved on to find their starter in training camp, and might not be inclined to move that guy back to the bench if he's doing well.

Long was brought in here to compete knowing his injury history.

What happened was expected. It doesn't really change anything, he's headed to the bench and the questions have been answered.

I agree, they're going to find a starter and never look back.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-17-2021 07:49 AM

In all seriousness, the Chiefs site put out a little promo spot of LDT and he looks to be in pretty good condition. If he can come in and just be average at right guard we should be fine.

If a right side of LDT/Remmers is the absolute worst we can do, we're in pretty good shape. Just no more damn injuries please.


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