No. But 21 carries for 4 will do a LOT to help this team win.

Clean up the turnovers and we'll beat more than just NFC East scrubasses by committing to running the ball and utilizing the short/intermediate passing game.

While true, this has been happening for years and it has never really seemed to affect him until now.

The "formula" is simple: line up in basic vanilla formation and go straight at snap. Ignore the motion, the line blocking one direction or another, and all of the trickery; if you simply go straight at KC you can man-handle them. KC's offense is exotic and soft. Counter with basic old school football and you will not only contain them, but shut them down and/or get a turnover.

You can take a similar approach on offense. Line up & maul them. Run, run, run, playaction, then run some more. Freaking Martyball is Reid's Achilles heel.

the difference between the prior years was that we didn't have a QB who could make a defense pay if they committed to stopping the run game and dink and dunk. If defenses DO commit to stopping those things, then Mahomes will scorch them over the top.

Defenses are taking away what Mahomes wants to do. He and the team will have to adjust, or fail.

The adjustment is short and intermediate passing, get the ball out quick, and run the ball effectively.

I mean, if that's confusing, I'd love to hear your alternative.

Just do whatever it takes to win.

We're gonna get stooged Sunday afternoon.

The Patriots were good at this. However, they had one big advantage. They didn't get penalized much. The Chiefs lead the league in offensive penalties. That, combined with turnovers have been drive killers.

I don't know what happened in the Titans game. They couldn't move the ball period against a defense full of scrubs.

From that Athletic article

I liked what I saw from Gore after calling out for him to be on the team full time.

I thought our run blocking was excellent for most of the game and at the end the Giants dared us to throw. (Can you believe it with Mahomes?)

They stacked the box and it was tough to run against a 7-8 man front.

I liked Gore better than Williams.

The first team to do this against us was Buffalo in the regular season last year.

We responded with 46 rushes, 26 passes and 38 minutes TOP.

And with a MUCH shittier OL than we have now.

Right now, we're a boxer that keeps swinging haymakers at the opponent's head, even though they are covered up and exposing the body.

We need to bust some ribs until they give up the opening to go for the headshot, and we're too impatient to do it.

This.

They did it the first drive. Then the pick happened and everyone panicked.

Mahomes is gonna have to stand in there and take his time in the pocket. He's seeing ghosts and it kills everything.

Failure to adjust. Ego. Stubborness. Whatever you want to call it. Reid refuses to adjust the gameplan to counter what the league is doing to shut down his offense. He's got the "WE dictate the pace of the game" BS in his DNA. Shining example last night was that garbage trick play by the goal line w/ Kelce at QB, flipping back to Mahomes. WTF was that nonsense? RUN THE ****ING BALL. ATTACK THE SEAMS. THE MIDDLE IS WIDE ****ING OPEN. TAMPA 2 IS ANCIENT. FFS.

WTF are you watching? The reason people are liking GORE right now is because he has shown that he has the vision to see a plugged hole and bounce outside.

I see limited examples of this.

Gore is whatever. Williams is too slow.

CEH is fine but he's always hurt.

Tarde a 7th for Phillip Lindsey.

Yup.

Aww sweetie now it's not nice to talk to Pete that way.

Defenses have no reason to play the run, because they know Reid will never commit to the run more than say 1 drive. It's not in his DNA. So they drop 7 and 8 into coverage, rape Kelce at the line and basically all that leaves is Hill to defend.

It doesn't matter. The Chiefs score 34 points last night if they don't turn it over.

All this hand-wringing about running the ball up Creed's ass more is what we need is stupid.

We just need to stop doing stupid stuff on offense. Death by 1,000 cuts works fine if you don't do stupid stuff.

yes! It's weird, but this has been KC's true problem.

The Chiefs dont appear to be a team that can avoid stupid stuff. We've been saying "just dont turn the ball over" for weeks.

Yes, lets keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

People have been clamoring for this gameplan for weeks. If ran earlier we would at least have two more wins.

It is how you shred the 2 deep. Then when they bring up the safeties. Play action with a double move and pump fakes.

The defense looked faster tonight as well.

I don't think what the league is doing on defense is ending this year.

I would like to see Reid hire one of the old West Coast boys to assist him with the offense.

Go get someone like Joe Philbin who is coaching the Dallas OL to get our offense back into old school WCO to counter.

It's frustrating as hell to watch teams mug Kelce out of the game. They "jam" him at the line of scrimmage for 5, 6, 7, 8 yards and take away the timing of his routes. But if one of our DBs (Ward last night) lays a hand on a receiver beyond 5 yards, it's holding, illegal contact, or pass interference.

When is the last time Kelce drew a holding or illegal contact penalty? The league is treating Kelce differently and it's costing our offense.

I can tell you running up the center's ass isn't the answer!!!!!

STOP THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reid is smart enough, he will figure it out.

The idea is to make the Defenses at least respect the run, defenses sell out to stop the pass because the Chiefs give defenses no reason to change. 9 straight games of this including a SB embarrassment but still no real adjustment by this coaching staff. They appear to be victims of their own hubris.

It's not that he can't. But Reid does lean on his offensive coaches and it would be nice to add a West Coast only guy to balance things out.

THEY WILL NEVER RESPECT BELOW AVERAGE RBS

THE CHIEFS, THE NFL'S TERRIBLE #4 OFFENSE, WOULD HAVE SCORED 34 POINTS IF NOT FOR TURNOVERS

THE COACHING STAFF HAS ADJUSTED

THE PLAYERS ARE NOT EXECUTING

NFL defenses are on to our shit. They know our traditional cover 2 beaters. They're sitting on our routes. They're flooding zones and bracketing Hill and Kelce in certain situations.

We've been running the same offense for years and we're the most analyzed team in the game. No team has gotten the attention the Chiefs have. They're probably the most studied team in the league right now.

And as someone said last night, the Chiefs have to have a complete identity makeover in order to counter it. They have to be something they're not. Mahomes is allergic to checkdowns. Tyreek wants to get deep. The Chiefs want to get deep and use their speed.

But they have to mutate into a running team. It doesn't have to be a power run game, but it has to be a lethal run game and yeah they have to exploit underneath routes.

In order to find consistent success against this, this leopard has to change its spots. That's tough to do.

It doesn't have to look like a dink-dunk, power run game. But they do have to exploit the underneath options with traps, counters, speed sweeps etc. Idk, but they're going to have to get real creative and find some shit they can routinely go to the well with.

The Chiefs will never be a team that just runs it up the center's ass all the time.

But they do have to find ways to exploit the underneath shit that defenses are giving them. There are creative ways to run the ball and use the short passing game.

yep. Reid used to be called the master of the screen game, what happened to that? Is Mahomes incapable of executing the screen game?

I think the Chiefs were very creative last night.

So creative, in fact, they would have scored 34 points.

Until the players failed to execute.

Yes. Patrick Mahomes cannot throw screen passes.

Listen to you idiots. LMAO

Time to kiss & make up w/ Kareem Hunt. He served his time in CLE.

It must be hard for Andy Reid because he was the genius that evolved the WCO to make it a hybrid with college spread.

But the NFL defenses are all moving in a direction that counters this.

We need to go back to the past and use tighter formations, quick throws that get the WR's YAC, and go old school West Coast offense to counter attack.

Fangio's disciples are all around the NFL and it is all about simple. DL beats up on guys in front, secondary plays back and is protecting deep. Make offenses execute down the field. Fangio's disciples took the Fangio scheme and simplified it. No blitzes unless they get home in 1.5 seconds.

Screens are thought to be ineffective against zone coverages as the defenders are almost always facing the LoS.

Screens are man coverage beaters and killers against the right blitzes. And we pretty much never face man coverage and never see blitzes.

makes sense. I was thinking since the safeties are so far back that would be a good time to use it.

Look;

The Gore drive was excellent. That kind of thing running is available against 2 deep zones if you have a back that can exploit it.

The other two really good drives (the one with the pick and the one TD to Hill) are also good examples of what you do against 2 deep safety defenses.

You mix and match those two approaches, eliminate turnovers, and you win games big.

Eventually you force teams to abandon the 2 deep look, and you get your one on one shots downfield.

But until then, this is what people will do every single week forever, or until Mahomes and Reid show they can beat it.

It's pretty simple, really.

Power running+ quick passing+ Reid's patented jet sweep/pitch-pass sweep stuff. Slants. little quick crosses in the middle. Make them pay. don't fumble, don't throw INT's. Eat them alive.

There is no other way to beat that defense. That's how you do it. You have to be disciplined. It's irritating, it's frustrating, and it plays on denying you want you WANT to do. Are you mature enough to beat it?

We had a lot of success exploiting the edges of the Giants defense with our speed. The sweeps picked up 10 yards a clip it seemed like. We're seeing safeties play so far back they can't help defend sweeps without first conceding yards.

Only problem is that our wide receivers have to know they can't hold onto the defender as they block when they're literally two feet from an official (Pringle).

Get the ball into a WR's hands fast and block for him. Take 7-8 yards and be happy.

Woulda coulda shoulda. Really, at what point during last night's game were they even close to scoring that many points? The one interception they got right back and scored on the second drive, the second TD was fueled by the run game, Kelce fumbled away a potential opportunity. After that there was a whole lotta of meh. Drive Results: Int, TD, Punt, Punt, TD, Punt, Punt, Fumble, FG, FG. End of Game. Not even close to 34 points.

Use the RBs in the passing game more. Williams was wide the **** open last night all night by just leaking out of the backfield and he had 10.2 YPC.

Well, add 7 if Mahomes throws a better pass on the first drive.

Add at least 3 if Kelce doesn't fumble deep in NYG territory.

Simple.

Also something we saw in pre-season a little and they talked about doing, but the multiple TE look as well. Where's Noah Gray? That's a mismatch on a LB. Force a safety up to cover that 2nd TE.

That affects what they're doing to Kelce. it affects the over the top shell.

Really that's part of the plan when teams play these soft defenses... if you can make the other team go 10-15 plays, you just increase the odds of a mistake. And that's what teams are banking on right now. It's not a small sample size at this point. We look like a team that is sloppy when we can't rip off a 3 or 4 play drive every once in a while.

ALSO

once you prove that you CAN do the short, quick passing game and power running game, be patient and execute and score touchdowns most of the time-

You will force the defenses (and the opposing offenses) into the things they DON'T want to do, because you're killing them in TOP. They'll start blitzing, and they'll start trying to play hero ball on offense because THEY will get desperate to try to score every play because you're not giving them enough opportunities to keep up with you.

It's all a domino effect.

Patrick is energized by the deep ball. His confidence is fueled by the improbable long-bomb throws only he can make. Without them, he's reduced to merely a top-five NFL QB.

Every 30+ yard completion is an Infinity Stone that he adds to his collection. He grows stronger with each one. Teams watch helplessly as 250 yards passing quickly becomes 500. His power accelerates exponentially.

He's got the Infinity Gauntlet but teams aren't letting him close his fist.

But it's only a matter of time before he does. And when that happens, defenses will turn to dust.

Isn't Lindsay always hurt, too?

That is exactly what happened in the Eagles game. :thumb:

Add 7 more if Mahomes throws a good pass deep down the middle to Hill. instead, he threw it short and too far to the outside. A good throw and that was an easy TD.

Execution, execution, execution.

This team has an execution problem.

Not a coaching problem.

In probably their most recent great performance… in the AFC Championship Game vs Buffalo… Mahomes had several big passing plays, including a 71 yard play to Tyreek that were short passes turned into big gains.

Silly to talk about run versus pass as if every running play is the same and every passing play is the same.

The whole thing comes down to designing plays that succeed against the defensive formation being run.

Chiefs might do better to run from more traditional formations and run more traps and counters if the defense they are facing does not have any studs that defeat those plays early.

Using stats to argue for pass or run without knowing shit about the formations and personnel is like 4th graders helping one another fill out their tax forms.

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