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If the national baseball punditry would stick to a message like: "Look, we know baseball has a competitive imbalance. But it's just the nature of so much regional income disparity. There's really nothing more than can be done." - I'd respect their honesty and be a lot more likely to buy their premise.
But this sleight of hand crap with one or two cherry-picked numbers and pay no attention to the obvious fact that the Dodgers and Yankees can be competitive every year, while most teams have to tank for windows, and the odds of a small market team keeping a megastar is basically nil - really pisses me off. I don't like being gaslighted. They went to sell all small market fans on this mass delusion groupthink that MLB is as competitive as the NFL. In reality I think they just feel that big market teams deserve to win more often and be competitive every year. But they won't say that out loud. Well Boras will, but that's it. |
While I agree with you overall, the Rays (tiny payroll) and their newly-signed-for-life superstar Wander Franco are the counterpoint.
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If Wander turns out to be generational, then he signed a dumb contract for his actual worth, like Salvador Perez. And unlike Salvy, Wander might become disgruntled eventually. These are the risks of locking someone up really early. The Dodgers don't have to take those risks. They can wait until the time is right, then offer market value - to their own talents and any other talents on the market they fancy. |
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I was shit at anything athletic until 6th or so grade, and while I didn't amount to anything as an athlete, your boy here needed sports. I'm not sure exactly what itch it scratched for me, whether it was competitive, just burning out the testosterone, seeing my skills grow, or some contrived need to win, or grind, or something. Probably some combination of all of it, but I needed it. Bad. Still do to some extent, I think. My knees are shit now and I can't run or jump so I'm not doing anything to speak of athletically. I guess I still get on the bike and let out some hate. But even then, there's still an edge, a little hostility, something that isn't getting addressed that used to with sports. These days, I probably let most of it out through working like a ****ing maniac and at least leveraging it into (hopefully) gross revenue. I'm self aware enough to know that I'm not going to adequately solve the problem from a psychology standpoint, so I'll leave it there. The problem is, if I were operating in today's world, I might have been too far behind by 6th or so grade to even make anything happen, even to the extent that it did. Then it's hard to imagine what my life would have been like without sports. I'm deficient - something - as a broke down 38 year old. What the hell would my life have been without sports to take whatever edge off? Especially as a teenager when I was burning pretty hot. I'm finding myself as a parent, finding it hard to get behind diving into sports as a 100% of the time activity at young ages. Philosophically, it's better to not waste their time on something that won't materialize. Especially if you have to be all in at a young age. But then I think about how important even middling sports were for me and I'm torn. Now my daughter is 7 and at least right now, is horrible at everything sports, and doesn't seem to have much of an edge. Son is 3 and has a little **** you in him. Who knows what he'll become, but it's possible he needs sports in the same way I did. So we'll see what happens. I just hope they have an outlet for whatever drives they have. And most importantly, I hope I don't **** it up for them. |
Salary cap would fix all my issues with the sport along with a shortened season and more playoff teams.
Why a team like the Dodgers or Yankees can have 3x the payroll of others is just crap. Last year the Dodgers were getting their butts hammered so they decided to just buy Scherzer and Turner (total crap)…funny that the Dodgers were whining about the Astros cheating yet they have “cheated” the past 10+ years with the way they just buy players. The game is broken…hate to say it but the NFL has the most equitable sport (other than golf) around. |
On a positive note, no one like me as a Pirates fan will give a ****.
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We did make it to one World Series. But. I have no regrets and the kids, who are now adults appreciated my approach. Most are successful in life. Thats the goal isn't it? |
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No point in worrying too much about it until it happens, but I spend most of my worry about my kids (well, and my baby - the farm :) ). |
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The Pirates are about to go on another mid-2010s type run with the likes of KeBryan Hayes, Nick Gonzales, Henry Davis, Lioner Peguero, O'Neil Cruz, Roansy Contreras, Quinn Priester. I'm excited for them. I would go down to Bradenton to see these kids on the backfields.
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Look at winning seasons instead of World Series winners. In the NFL the haves and have nots are the teams with top 10 QBs vs. the teams with Kirk Cousins. It's not fair either, but at least if a team like KC or GB lands a generational QB talent, they don't automatically lose him to the Giants or Rams after his rookie deal. The Royals could never keep a Mike Trout or a George Brett in 2020. That sucks for the fans. Also most mid and small market teams tank so they can be good for a short 4-5 year window (like the Royals did and are doing now). So you get a lot of variety. But that doesn't mean the Royals and Pirates have the same chance to be competitive year in/year out like the Dodgers and Yankees. Most national baseball writers seem to think it's better for the game if the Dodgers and Yanks are in the playoffs every year. Small market teams should be happy with taking their shot once a decade or so. But they won't come out and say that, so instead they do all this sleight of hand stuff trying to claim that one team having $400M in revenue more than another doesn't matter to competitive advantage. |
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I agree it creates competitive advantage. But as you pointed out it also happens to be a league where small to mid market teams can put together big runs. Hard to do that in the nfl without an elite qb. Hard to do that in the nba if you’re not in a major media market. So I don’t think the advantage is nearly as big as some claim. Now, where I think payroll becomes a huge issue is when the league manipulates baseball by creating offense. Like juicing balls and looking the other way on PEDs. There’s a reason the royals and Indians had great runs when defense was up and offense was down. Big offense favors pay payrolls. |
For me as a fan, losing homegrown stars is a bigger deal than the competitiveness. Obviously in a perfect salary cap world, it's not like the Royals would be playoff contenders every year anyway.
But they did have a nice run from the mid 70s to mid 80s that probably wouldn't be possible today because they'd have lost Brett, Willie Wilson, probably McRae and Frank White, Dennis Leonard, Quiz. When the Royals lost Damon and Beltran, my fandom cooled, as did a lot of fans. The Joe Sheehans of the world will point to Wander, Christian Yelich, or Joey Votto. Those are few and far between though, and very risky by the small market teams - and none are a top 5 player in baseball like Brett was for a decade. The smart play for small market teams is usually to try to get a haul for the mega-star, which often may be a good deal for competitiveness. But it takes out a lot of the fun of being a fan when you know your team is essentially a minor league feeder, at least when when it comes to superstars. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The first week of 2022 is resembling the last month of 2021: There are no negotiating sessions currently scheduled between MLB and the players association. They have met twice in the last month since the lockout, but strictly on non-core economic issues.</p>— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1478044752905789440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: MLB Network cuts ties with Ken Rosenthal after flap over Rob Manfred criticism, The Post has learned.<a href="https://t.co/uNHwQj0Sye">https://t.co/uNHwQj0Sye</a></p>— Andrew Marchand (@AndrewMarchand) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewMarchand/status/1478141889765421057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There's no collective bargaining agreement in MLB. Owners have locked out players. What are players fighting for?<br><br>In conversation with <a href="https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jorgecastillo</a>, Max Scherzer explains:<br> <a href="https://t.co/9l5VqZZqZM">https://t.co/9l5VqZZqZM</a></p>— Bill Shaikin (@BillShaikin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1478058055979790336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Service time is a legit gripe but I feel like it's going to get manipulated no matter what changes they make. If a half year as a rookie counts as a full year of service time, I see a high-performing Triple-A prospect being held down in July until next spring training. Plus, legislating a franchise's ability to determine when a prospect is ready or not is virtually impossible. I don't see the owners going for the age 29 or five years of service time free agency. I think that is an automatic no for them. The question is whether new MLBPA negotiator Bruce Meyer (apparently he's a hard liner) is willing to go through an ugly labor war on those service time proposals or can the owners offer earlier arbitration and higher minimum salaries to compromise off them. The small market teams have a strong voice too, they're not going to give up higher minimum salaries or earlier arbitration easy. The draft lottery has been proposed to discourage the tanking. I hate the concept of a draft lottery. The MLBPA won't agree to the salary floor because it feels the cheap teams will get right over the threshold and stop spending. It would almost validate their lack of spending. "Hey, we're over the cash floor. Go **** yourself." This is my personal opinion, but I think a lot of issues can be resolved by just letting the Dodgers spend as much as they want so more players get their market value and not attach as many penalties to high spending teams. But it will never happen because Manfred and almost every owner is against it. They're afraid it will lead to the escalation of player salaries. This is easily the most complicated CBA since 1994 and I could see it getting ugly. Some optimistic people think it can be easily resolved but call me a skeptic. |
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I just hope when we get about two weeks from pitchers and catchers that the MLBPA understands that these riches and revenues they want a piece of won't be as lucrative if the sport starts losing games. The MLBPA and baseball owners are business partners. A healthy game and healthy relationship benefits both parties. |
MLB Expected To Make Core Economics Proposal To MLBPA Within Two Weeks
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association plan to hold a bargaining session Thursday, sources tell ESPN. MLB is expected to make a core-economics proposal at the session, which would be the first between the sides since the league locked out the players on Dec. 2.</p>— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1480936334592286727?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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11:43 pm: Bob Nightengale of USA Today sheds some light on the upcoming proposal. The league is not expected to address the service time structure during this session. MLB is expected to put forth an increase in the league minimum salary to $600K, with further hikes to a height of $700K by the end of a potential CBA term, as well as alterations to draft pick compensation/forfeiture for signing free agents tagged with a qualifying offer.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baseball labor update: There is no deal. There never was going to be one today. MLB made a proposal. The reaction among the players was not positive. Few on either side expected it to be. The question is how soon the MLBPA counters. Spring training starting on time is in peril.</p>— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1481706425168637958?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLB raised pay for younger players (higher minimum salary and more money for Super 2s) in their proposal. Players union saw overall offer as “disappointing.” No word about a counter yet. Long way to go (but fortunately there’s still time)</p>— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1481714682411032580?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Plenty more coming in a story at ESPN but the broad strokes of MLB's proposal, per sources:<br><br>- Funnel additional money to all players with 2+ years service<br>- Award draft picks to teams that don't manipulate service of successful top prospects<br>- Tweaks to proposed draft lottery</p>— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1481723653607809025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also heard MLB’s offer to players today included 14 teams in playoffs<br><br>That's arguably players' biggest bargaining chip: owners clearly want expanded playoffs.</p>— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1481719852217909251?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also heard MLB owners offered a potential solution to service time manipulation in their proposal:<br>•if a highly-ranked prospect (within top 150 on prospect lists) plays a full year and finishes top five for a major award like MVP, Cy, RoY his team would get a bonus draft pick</p>— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1481721233700016130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLB remans dead set against lowering free agency from 6 years to 5. Part of the concern stems from the history of the big stars jumping from smaller markets to big markets when they hit free agency and belief this would hurt competitive balance.</p>— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1481726559836856321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
14 teams in playoffs is absolute lunacy.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The players union is preparing a response to MLB’s recent proposal to be delivered within days. MLB made an offer to curtail service time manipulation and tanking and pay players w/2-plus years of service time more. Players were disappointed the biggest issues weren’t address.</p>— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1483814487241244674?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Can we just get rid of baseball to begin with, does anyone even want it? I don't think anyone has watched a baseball game outside of the ones their teams play since 1979.
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The rich and spoiled.
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Last year's World Series made me realize that it's a tough sell to fans who don't root for either team when the Braves starting pitcher Tucker Davidson -- who hadn't been in the majors since June -- can't make it through two innings and then the game favors the team with less bullpen attrition that day. It's a big commitment to watch for four-plus hours each game in a best-of-seven series. The owners and players should be working together on bettering the game by reducing three true outcomes rather than going to war. Almost all of the issues can be resolved by mid-February but the one that worries me is the MLBPA wanting five-year free agency. I think the owners will never go for it and are willing to shut down the entire season to win that battle. |
MLB makes it so hard to just watch a game easily at home. Fix that shit. Need to get the common fan riled up about two teams that arent even in their area.
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I guess this is happening too. I had no idea the Rays wanted to play in Montreal??
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rays?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rays</a> season-sharing plan with Montreal killed by MLB, search back on for a full-time home <a href="https://t.co/pH2pAHBUf0">https://t.co/pH2pAHBUf0</a></p>— Marc Topkin (@TBTimes_Rays) <a href="https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Rays/status/1484212748582113299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: MLBPA withdraws proposal to allow players to get to free agency before 6 years. Made modified revenue sharing proposal as well <a href="https://t.co/NGqnSCf55K">https://t.co/NGqnSCf55K</a></p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1485709211388493826?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A new CBA in baseball isn’t close. A breakdown of how far apart MLB and the Players Association are, with <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ken_Rosenthal</a> <a href="https://t.co/vsyqQ8M4q7">https://t.co/vsyqQ8M4q7</a></p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1488246898293104645?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association plan to meet Tuesday for the next round of collective-bargaining talks, sources tell ESPN.</p>— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1488308766130987008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On other proposal the MLBPA modified, service-time manipulation, union dropped the number of players who would be awarded a full year of service time. Previous proposal (below) was to give service to players in top 30 or top 10 by WAR depending on position. Now: top 20, or top 7 <a href="https://t.co/cSbTgHxj48">pic.twitter.com/cSbTgHxj48</a></p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1488600221626023945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On service-time manipulation proposal as well: The MLBPA also newly incorporated (and modified) an element of MLB’s service-time manipulation: potentially rewarding a draft pick to a team</p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1488600573901516808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Thanks. Well, guess spring training is ****ed
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're Close<br><br>Per Sources</p>— MLBExecutiveBurner (@HotStoveintel) <a href="https://twitter.com/HotStoveintel/status/1489019230343335937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Every day that goes by, I care less and less about baseball coming back. I'm just tired of their stupidity.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Major League Baseball today requested immediate assistance of a federal mediator to help resolve the sport’s lockout, sources told ESPN. Under their request, the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service would help assist with the proceedings.</p>— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1489347138001776646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I wonder if they will switch the baseballs again.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The MLBPA has formally rejected MLB’s request for federal mediation. <a href="https://t.co/5dOOopdqbo">https://t.co/5dOOopdqbo</a></p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1489668037468995590?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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**** it, if we miss this whole season I want to just end the league for good.
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I'm fine with missing the season if it somehow results in a salary cap and floor, or some other way to make small market teams competitive like they are in the NFL.
Just think if the NFL was like MLB. We'd be a few years away from losing Mahomes. That would suuuuuuuck. The problem is they'll probably miss a chunk of the season, then come back with the same old shitty system that's currently killing the game. |
MLBPA ruined baseball.
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This is impeding my opportunity to see the Foo Fighters.
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If they don't start on time I'll just buy the $10 a month minor league streaming package. Watching Bobby Witt and company will hold me over until baseball comes back.
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It took a long time for baseball to recover from 1994. And both sides have not forgotten that. This will get settled before spring training.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLB owners meet Tuesday-Thursday in Orlando, where they will regroup. The union expectation is a new MLB offer will come soon, and presumably that happens after the owners convene. It’s obviously getting late with spring training originally scheduled to start 10 days from today.</p>— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1490394753585844239?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: Labor Secretary Marty Walsh has communicated to MLB a willingness to get involved with baseball’s ongoing lockout, per two people close to the process <br><br>This comes after the players union rejected league’s offer of a third-party federal mediator</p>— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1490687864291606532?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Labor Secretary Marty Walsh’s comment following my report this morning that he has offered to help resolve the Major League Baseball lockout: <a href="https://t.co/MdQIGDdjsN">pic.twitter.com/MdQIGDdjsN</a></p>— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1490732345770532868?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shouting? Cursing? 'So be it': MLBPA rep Andrew Miller on where MLB's labor negotiations stand <a href="https://t.co/JKYuDRcl2I">https://t.co/JKYuDRcl2I</a></p>— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/1490648509057581061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Actually it's due to the lockout. If the lockout did not occur, the terms and conditions of employment of the expired CBA and its appendices and addenda would remain in full force and effect, including the JDA. If the lockout were lifted, the JDA would continue until a new CBA. <a href="https://t.co/dX6cV2Yojr">https://t.co/dX6cV2Yojr</a></p>— (((EugeneFreedman))) (@EugeneFreedman) <a href="https://twitter.com/EugeneFreedman/status/1490791113795461124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The MLBPA is still adamantly opposed to a salary cap.
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The players are perfectly happy with the current structure where big market teams get to keep their homegrown stars, while small market teams lose theirs, and have to tank for "windows" where they can actually win. The players want even more competitive disparity via getting to free agency sooner and ending the luxury tax. Their answer seems to be to shame the "greedy" small market owners into spending more. And if that doesn't work? Oh well. The players are looking out for their own interests. Good for them. But they might be short-sighted. What makes the players the most money right now might not work forever, if the game keeps bleeding fans due to tanking and lack of competitive balance. Without the fans there won't be any money to fight over, and they can all go back to playing for the love of the game. |
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Five teams -- Phillies, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox and Astros -- were within $5 million or less of the luxury tax threshold so obviously the penalties are stopping them from spending more. It's only one franchise running roughshod over the luxury tax threshold. The Dodgers just lost homegrown star Corey Seager to the Rangers and because they're so high above the competitive balance tax, they are only being compensated a fourth round pick for him. It's not just the small market teams losing their stars. The Cubs and Nationals recently lost a bunch of homegrown stars and they're both $200 million payroll type teams. The Red Sox lost Mookie Betts and could very well lose Xander Bogaerts after 2022. The players already dropped their request for five-year free agency. The reason why is because they knew the owners would have shut down the season over that issue. You're contradicting yourself here. You make it sound like you want a floor but you accuse the players of shaming the greedy, small market owners into spending more. Personally, I think a team like the Orioles shouldn't throw money at a second-tier free agent. They should save their dollars to invest in Adley Ruschmann and Grayson Rodriguez long term. But if they have some agent like Scott Boras, it's not happening. I totally feel the pain of a small-market fan being a small-market fan myself who has been through too many fire sales. The floor proposal wasn't taken seriously by the MLBPA because the luxury tax threshold was going to come down to $180 million. I don't understand why you blame the players when the owners locked them out in the first place. The owners did this to themselves if you think back to the winters of 2018/19 and 2019/20. Ice frozen free agent markets with snail pace movement. They had this war coming to them. But I will say this, I feel like the MLBPA has bent over backwards to cater to the needs of Scott Boras and the top 5% player when they're doing just fine even in the status quo CBA that the owners love. Juan Soto is going to get his $450 million. The MLBPA should be fighting for the player that gets paid $10K a year in the minors, makes the majors for three years and then gets tossed to the side for a replacement minimum salary rookie. I totally feel you though. Both parties should be growing the game, enhancing the product instead of engaging in the war that nobody cares about. There's a lot of diehards, not casual fans, turned off by this and are ready to jump ship. |
I don't even know who won the 2021 world series.
I can tell you who won the 2015 World Series THE ROYALS :Royals: Since they got rid of Hosmer my interest in the sport has withered. Still love my Royals oh yeah now I remember other reason i quit watching is Joe Buck . It was intolerable to listen to Joe Buck. So if there is a lockout MLB can go Buck themselves. |
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The bigger problem is a salary floor. The reason I’m more sympathetic with players is that owners should want a team because they’re hungry to win. Not an investment opportunity, and not winning just enough to make money. Keeping owners accountable for not spending enough is the bigger deal to me. People hated George Steinbrenner but the dude flat out wanted to win and spared no expense to do it. The game is more competitive balanced than people give it credit for. The bigger crime is when dipshits like Manfred mess with the game to juice up ratings. Like juicing the ball a few years ago. And this season messing up pitchers arms because they stupidly decided to change the rules mid year about doctoring baseballs. Or selig and the steroid era. More offense tends to favor high payroll teams because a few great hitters can make up for mediocre pitching. Without offense, teams are rewarded for depth and bullpens and coaching, which tends to favor well run teams. |
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Knowing that today's Royals could never keep a generational talent like George Brett past his rookie deal, and Salvy might be the Royals' last shot at a homegrown HOFer who stays with the team (and only because of a terrible fluke contract) make the game a lot less fun for me. When Damon and Beltran left is when the new reality sunk home for a lot of KC fans. The '75-85 Royals were so fun - largely because they kept the core group of Brett, McRae, Wilson, White, and Otis together. That could never happen now. That stuff matters to me as a fan. I went to Brett's last game. I flew back to KC for Cain/Hos/Esky/Moose's last game. I will go to Salvy's last game. I don't want to root for a bunch of Kevin McReynolds/Jeff King retreads. Knowing the 2014/2015 core was always going to be gone was bittersweet. The wins were still amazing, but there was always this sad pall hanging over the team. Imagine knowing the Chiefs were going to lose Mahomes in a couple years. It wouldn't be the same and would be a much shittier fan experience. And tanking. The players say it's greedy owners, the owners say it's necessary. The only thing not in doubt is that it sucks for the fans. Maybe both sides need a real scare that they could actually kill the golden goose, before it dawns on them that w/o fans there is no money to fight over. |
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