The he threw the game calls are hilarious. The guy just played in the best game ever played the week before, and he was facing a team which had clawed themselves back against us once already this season. He felt the pressure he's human. Not to mention the shit that was said about his fiance and brother during the week. He by all accounts pays attention to it, the guy was just looking drained. Even Tom Brady lost a few superbowls and a couple of playoff games here or there.

The one thing Pat needs to improve on is pulling the trigger on contested tight throws. It happened earlier in the year. Players started dropping passes and he gets a little gun shy. He's so smart and unbelievable at creating space for himself that at times he leans on that instead of just hitting the easy read that might be slightly contested or in traffic.

You're a moron. QBs have good and bad halves all the time. Hell they have good quarters then bad quarters. They are human beings, not machines. Defense also make adjustments, in case you didn't know.

And why the hell would he throw the game? For money? Yeah I don't think he needs any. You think he's a closest Bengals fan? **** out of here w that bullshit.

You’re just a simple minded bitch of a human

My best guess is that the yips can be suppressed but never fully go away and can flare up given a variety of situational circumstances.

Watching Mahomes run around in indecision like Matt Cassel having a stroke reminds me of my brain while standing over a wedge shot I've hit a thousand times for a second too long and then I go full Charles Barkley for a half dozen rounds.

Ya know 90% of the time we worry about the defense shitting the bed which is warranted. Gives up historical numbers to Wr’s, Defense so bad at the beginning of the year it nearly destroys Mahomes in the process, Plays players like some high school teams where the seniors get the nod over better players sitting the bench, Slow starts because we add new players every year to learn the complicated system and defense gives up 30 plus points to high flying offenses and Now to put the cherry on top we NOW have to worry about the Qb shitting the bed when the defense makes an adjustment and Reid and Bieniemy don’t adj against the defense. No lead is safe with this team. That some Jekyl and Hyde shit from Mahomes there. Never seen it that bad. He’ll probably learn from it but it will always be in the back of our minds. Reid is a hall of fame coach but I guarantee belichick and Payton aren’t giving up them leads!

Hard to say Reid and Bienemy did not adjust when you see plays like the op above where they get the play call right, the guy is open and the ball does not come out on time. If the first play is a rpo, running or throwing to the flat are the two decisions either would have been fine. Patrick botched it plan and simple.

Patrick made poor decisions and was very inaccurate the second half. That might be what Reid and Bienemy could not adjust for.

Seemed like he calmed himself the week before pretty well?

WTF? He has a bad half and now he's a mental midget?:doh!:

Just the last play, if it was a called RPO. You cant run the ball with 5 seconds left. What happened to that quick out to the side that's worked every time we ran it with Hill and Hardman when we needed a yard or two for a first down?

I’m picturing Bieniemy in Pats earpiece on that play telling him We Can’t Have a Turnover Here! Pat tightens and refuses to pull the trigger.
When Patrick was off they should have went back McKinnon more against the three man fronts. We saw CEH the first series in the second half which limits them. Maybe some more high percentage routes underneath to get Pat rolling again.

I wasn't able to watch the vid in the OP until now, but it looks like Hill was his first read on that 3rd and goal play before the end of regulation. Hill was the only receiver on that side of the field and you've got to assume the safety will help on him as well. Hill being the first read there is fine, it actually should have helped hold the coverage until he came back to Kelce.

I really am still not sure why he didn't throw that ball to Kelce for the win.

I know how this season has gone it probably would have been popped up for an INT which is why he was scared to pull the trigger, but damn. We had just given up an 18-point lead. Playing for OT was not the move there.

The op shows the 2nd and goal from the 4 late in the game, Pat fakes a hand off, immediately looks at the wr running an out to the flat who has a step. Decides to run around and is sacked.

Now the play with 5 seconds left, it was widely reported Pat was told throw it to the end zone if no one breaks open quick throw it away.

Now the above is not saying Pat is a bad qb. He had a bad half. It happens.

Bengals may have only been rushing 3 but the fronts they showed were generally 4. No different then a normal dee. The dropping end would help on shallow crossing ( the shallow stuff make sure they were not open) and spy Patrick if he scrambled.

Did the Mob put Quaaludes in his Gatorade?

Yep when he loses his confidence he gets very tentative and hesitant and loses his anticipation and trust in his receivers.

I think the fluky INTs scarred him some but I think to some degree it's like you said, he's so good at getting outside the pocket and throwing on the run outside of structure that he gets gunshy on pulling the trigger in the pocket and in structure sometimes because he thinks he can create a less risky throw by buying time for a receiver to get more open and to find a better throwing lane.

BUT, I also think it's because he just has no receivers that are good in contested catch situations and he's never had one in KC. Kelce is pretty much it, but that's not even his strength.

You saw Tyreek all year not be able to hold on to contested balls, including twice Sunday and the last throw of the season that resulted in an INT. A legit 6'2 WR with great hands and body control comes down with that pass. We have and have had NO ONE that can do that in the 4 years Mahomes has started. To me, that's a big part of an offense that we don't have that so many other QBs do have.

Kelce and Hill are great, but contested catches aren't their game and we literally have no other receivers that are capable of it either. So I can understand why he doesn't throw a ton of balls into tight coverage.

Especially in this offense where he doesn't really have to do that much because we either go up against a ton of zone or if we go vs man, Kelce and Hill usually get separation or Reid will scheme someone else open.

I think he's been taught to avoid the low percentage shots in this offense and because of the receivers we have. And when he loses some confidence and no one gets any separation, instead of drilling a throw into tight coverage, he instead wants to get outside the pocket to make a higher percentage and less risky throw and it usually works.

True. However, Reid ands EB needed to recognize that Patrick was off and maybe run the bal.

This board roasted Alex Smith for missing a wide open Hill against Pittsburg.

Pat doesn't have an excuse. Neither did Alex.

Kelce and Pringle's body language during that play says it all. They both knew they were open and both did a jump once that window closed. You can tell Kelce is totally expecting that ball. Pat was looking right at him.

I think what bothers me most is he didn't even try. I'd stomach a bad or errant pass, but just to freeze up? That's the gut punch. He makes that throw to Hardman in the flat and that throw to Kelce while sleepwalking. Those aren't difficult throws.

It's just so uncanny, and out of character.

The first play in the video should have been a handoff. Best case scenario they get stopped at the 1” line and clock keeps rolling, worst case they score. No excuse for not firing the ball into the end zone on third down.

Yep. And disturbing. Gonna be a looooong offseason.

There was video about the 2 point conversion at LAC and the same thing happened. He had an open Hill that would have been an easy throw but he just didn't pull the trigger. He got the 2 points after running right and making a great play to Clyde but it makes no sense because he did have to. That's just one example, there have been more where he has an open guy and doesn't throw the ball. No idea why.

We have seen him play fearless and make great plays and pull the trigger in clutch moments many times but this time he just didn't and we will never no why. Why was the team so lifeless in the second half? We will never know what happened in the locker room but we have had a long playoff win run. Nothing lasts forever.

I finally had the stomach to watch this video, and on the second down play with Hardman, I wonder if Pat was scared of a slight underthrow/behind Mecole that the DB would undercut for a pick 6.

The third down play is just ... it's astounding and sickening. He must've been terrified of a tipped ball in the end zone for an INT. The fact that they only needed a FG to tie must've been in his head, especially after he screwed up the drive at the end of the first half.

If that were fourth down, or they needed a TD to tie, or they were down 4 points, I have to believe he makes that throw -- and we win. But he played it safe.

Despite all the hiccups on that drive, I was very confident he was going to throw a TD pass on third down. And son of a bitch, it was there, twice, and he couldn't pull the trigger.

Which is why I still would have ran it every time and would have settled for the FG on 4th if we didn't get in. I might even have gone for it on 4th down to end it in regulation. The whole time burning clock... Just me though.

If you legitimately think that Mahomes threw that game….then stop watching.

And for a fan base that prayed for one playoff win to absolutely kill their 26 year old QB who just took them to two Super Bowls and win one…..you all are a bunch of whiny ****s.

Yeah, the reporters in the post game (predictably) asked more about the final play of the 1st half than the ending of regulation. The play before halftime was just one risky play, and not a sequence of mistakes like the final drive. You also had Mahomes and Hardman run out of bounds on 1st down during that drive, instead of falling inbounds and killing clock.

Still kind of hard to wrap my mind around what happened to Pat.

So disappointing. He was supposed to be the guy who was immune to "Because Chiefs."

Obviously I never expected him to win every game, but I also never expected him to go out like this.

Stunning.

This is exactly what it was. He must have told himself “don’t give the bengals a chance to win. Run the clock to the end and kick a field goal for the tie unless you have a riskless throw.” He wasn’t throwing that ball on 2nd down because they’d either score too early or it would be incomplete and not burn clock. He didn’t trust the d to stop them. Hero ball…. And we need a better d that mahomes can trust to win the game. I’ll keep beating this drum. We gotta get a killer d line. Spags is only successful with a dominant d line.

Was there any possible hit to the head that we didn't see? Something was just not right.

Watch the Titans and Packers games. Not the first time he played like this.

People are saying Pat doesn’t know how to read defenses. They ripped 8 and it’s like Pat never saw that coverage before

Confucius sticking a finger with vinegar in his mouth and smiling. SWEETNESS IS COMING! BITCHES!

It's possible he wasn't feeling well but was afraid to tell someone. God knows athletes did that in the past to avoid looking weak.

You would think with today's concussion protocol that can't happen, but why not? If the player doesn't appear woozy and doesn't say anything, who will know whether he's concussed? No player wants to miss the rest of a big game.

Guess I would make two points, 1 right or wrong our run game has a lot of rpo's Pat pretty much any play can pull the ball out and throw it. 2 seemed like the first couple drives was a first down run for 4 and two incompletes. Not behind the chains but not really ahead either. You got here with pat, I would have been more upset if they lost running the ball then going down without giving pat the chance to win it. Which they did.

I legit think something got affected, mentally or physically, when he tackled the DT after the INT. For most of the third quarter he was still playing semi competently, with the skill guys dropping a couple key balls. After that, though, he just completely lost it.

I think it was a combination.

1. The missed opportunity for points at the end of the first half started it.
2. The exact same halftime score and situation of the last Bengals game.
3. Drops on the first drive after half.
4. Another drive stalled.
5. The INT and the tackle afterwards.

After that....everything from the first 5-6 games of the season came back.

I think it was mental.

The play before the half was the first **** up that messed with his confidence, then after the pick his confidence was completely shot.

I agree

Listening to Times Ours and I agree with their analysis. That horrible INT put him into a frantic state. That pick effectively tied the game.

He effectively went full Alex and played not to lose, which explains why he was holding onto the ball.

Then in OT he did the same thing on that first play. Then it was miscommunication. Then he knew if they punted it was over so he took a shot and it cost us.

Whatever happened at halftime was definitely the primer for that 2nd half bomb. 100% something was said or done that really ****ed the team up. Morale on the sidelines was significantly down, players were arguing, and Mahomes and Kelce both had 1000 yard stares.

They'd better have a heart to heart about that and get that shit behind them, or the team is ****ED going forward.

I totally understand the idea of being a pass first team with Pat, and very rarely do I bitch about Reid not running the football, but there’s just no excuse for that sequence at the end of regulation.

You’ve been running it with ease all ****ing day, your QBs confidence is so shot that he’s scared to make routine throws, and you’re just a couple yards out.

I have no doubt that they would’ve scored if they simply ran it two more times.

Sure seemed like an RPO that Mahomes inexplicably kept

It's not going to happen in a million years....but I think Reid has to change his philosophy moving forward.

This offense needs to morph into the one that has gone on 14-15 play drives with more runs included. Take the hero ball mentality out of this team and try running the ball to help out Pat. Even if we win the AFC Championship game this year....I didn't like our chances against the Rams without running the ball.

We had first and goal twice inside the 5 and came away with 3 points.

We lost by 3.

Absolutely sickening.

Which is fine if he pulls the trigger and throws it to Hardman (2nd down) or Kelce (3rd down).

The fact that he was scared to tells me it should’ve just been a run play period.

People talk about Mahomes being concussed but MAN Kelce took a freaking SHOT early in the game and it took him a bit to get up. I thought for SURE he was concussed. He was really low key and quiet after that too.

Just a weird ass game all around.

We threw that game, I am 100% convinced.

No real man for any amount of money loses on purpose. He lost his confidence in the second half for some reason. We'll never know how or why.

No way....he's human and not invincible like we want to believe. Shit fell apart in the second half....for some reason we will never know why.

exactly

Going through 2nd half now.

1st possession

Tyreek drop. Kelce drop.

2nd possession

Mahomes overthrows Pringle by a half yard on third down.

3rd possession

Awful INT. It was 2nd and 3 and there were eight guys in the box. They shouldn't have run it here.

4th possession

Dropped screen pass
Mahomes sacked on 3rd and 3

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Next two possessions are FG (Mahomes missed open guys at end) and OT possession.

This wasn't a playcalling issue. Guys were open. Maybe not on the third and 3 but that will happen once inawhile.

Biggest issue on those four possessions is drops and Mahomes yips.

Our best guys just got beat and didn't do their jobs. That is hard to stomach.

No, I saw the video. He stared down multiple open receivers and refused to throw it like he was Alex Smith or something. Then proceeded to flop around like Kyler Murray in LA

Believe it's real if you wish. I can't change your mind. I will watch with a side eye from now on

Rerun Riggers please leave.
If its rigged why watch?
Take your low IQ and GTFO

I don't see how you can say it wasn't a playcall issue when its clear Mahomes was off and WR/TEs were playing like shit so, might as well try running the ball?

This team lives and dies with Mahomes, sorry.

They're not changing that.

I'm fine with that. So stack this offense more.

If you aren't going to run much and expect Mahomes to be God all the time get him 3 WR's that are dangerous.

This. You could tell right out of the gate with the first drive of the second half - 3 and out! I would feel like you would be very confident going into the half up by 11 - don't know :shake:

Exactly. Need more than a couple of JAGS and a gadget guy to go with Hill.

Clyde was the biggest waste of a pick of all time.

What an epic fail. Dude is never even used.

Maybe the best thing to do is rip the radio out of Mahomes helmet so that he's not constantly barraged with EB antics?

We spent a lot of cap space and draft capital to build an offensive line that can maul teams.

When we needed to lean on the line and force Cinci to respect the run, we instead let Patrick throw the ball 75% of the time.

We need to find a runningback who will make teams pay for putting 8 in coverage and also form an offensive identity that doesn't mind mauling teams when they drop back in coverage.

Part of this is probably also on Mahomes, he needs to see those coverages pre snap and check out of pass plays into runs.

I dunno, man.

To me that's easier to stomach than just about anything else.

Our superstars kinda pooped the bed. It doesn't happen often but when it happens to ANYONE they lose.

I can handle this in a 'shit happens when you party naked' sorta way. Every single player in the NFL, no matter how great, has puked on their shoes a time or two.

Patrick did and we lost. Okay.

Mahomes playing hold my beer ball is ok with me

This guy in the video is spot on. Mahomes cold have struck gold at the 3:21 mark. We lost, it's on him and the rest is history. NFL rigged? Absolutely. Rodger Godell was in the stands. Mahomes would never be this ridicules with the quick strike here, never! It is "his" MO! At the least, if it is breaking down. kick the GODDAMN field goal after spiking the ball! WE should have won this game but instead, we shit the bed. Second half we still would have won with field goal at end of first half when we had the clock at the end of the second half - we could have won - 27 - 24 or 31 - 24 pick your poison.

Was not crushed after this loss at all - the signs were there after the first quarter screw up!

Whatever, move on to the next season and let the Bengals win the SB in Sofi. They deserve it.

Though I could certainly end up being wrong, I have a feeling they're going to get blown out.

Oh, I hope the RAMS win because of what the Bengals did to us two times! My mind was let's keep it in the AFC, but after thinking about it, A. Donald and Von Miller CRUSH the shit out of this "shiny" darling! Geaux RAMS! Sorry I lost my step! Yes, GEAUX RAMS!

I don’t understand why the logic that pat was trying to run clock is not accepted here. He didn’t want to give the bengals time to score. That pass to hardman on 2nd down is either a td or an incompletion but if we score there or have an incompletion, the bengals have time to come back and win the game with a td. Maybe pat knew the d was gassed and didn’t want to give them that chance. Look what happened in ot. Bengals moved the ball easily. Maybe pat knew that the d couldn’t stop them and wanted to run clock. On 3rd down, he had to fear the ball getting tipped and an interception resulting that loses us the game. So, he runs around and burns clock and hopes to win the game in ot. Why is this so hard to understand?

He lost his mojo after that first half blunder. Couldn't even make simple reads and throws after that.

This is what happened. If you watch the 3rd down play, the spy lb that sacked could have tipped the pass. He should have made the throw but you nailed it. He had a tipped pass earlier in the game and you could see him say my fault after that tipped ball that resulted in the int. And they didn’t get the opportunity for the fg at the end of the half. He’s thinking about those things and doesn’t want to lose the game. He’s thinking, take the sack, run time & don’t give the bengals an opportunity bc the d is gassed, take the field goal and win it in overtime unless there is a super low risk opportunity with no time left. All of these other theories are crap.

After 4 punts and an INT in two qtrs of football? ....and couldn't punch it in first and goal?

He missed only four of twenty-two passes in the first half, and only completed five in the second.

Listen this isn't just a bad half, it's one of the worst in playoff history. Its the mirror opposite.

I really honestly think there was huge fight/meltdown/confrontation that took place at halftime and it took the air out of this team and that game.

Stop with the "paid off" bullshit.

It's ****ing ridiculous.

But do you really believe that?

Do you believe that he just...missed 3 open receivers on one play? Forgot to throw the ball out of bounds to keep from being sacked? Forgot how to audible to a run when faced with 3 down linemen?

Seriously...the amount of fail to hit at once for that to happen was spectacular.

it’s the best explanation for the sudden and deep cavernous drop in his quality of play.

Far better than Mahomes took a bribe. The guy with $500 million contract and lots more commercial money would embarrass himself to everyone in a huge game the week after having one of the best playoff games ever.

It does but if the d is better mainly the dline, mahomes throws that pass to hardman for the td on 2nd down at the end of the 4th quarter. The bengals would have a little more than a minute to score but mahomes doesn’t believe the d stops them. And the d didn’t come close to stopping them in OT, so he might have been right.

THE PROBLEM is that mahomes has too much on him. I hope veach lives up to his presser and rebuilds the d line like he did the oline. We spent a ton on thuney and will spend a ton on brown. We need to spend a ton on the dline, chandler jones, and this will take some of the pressure off. A big name chandler takes some of the pressure off mahomes.

I'm going with injury and the way the Bengals were playing the receivers. The TV broadcast didn't show it very often however it looked like the Bengals were getting home early and/or holding. One was very evident on Pringle and threw the timing off. The lob to Kelce also appears that he was being restricted prior to the ball getting there. After the bad interception, I think he started playing careful and thinking about everything instead of just trusting himself. I'm pretty sure Kelce wasn't all there either.

Like pretty much everything in life... The old bowling saying applies:

Trust is a must or your game is a bust.

Or a golfer that shanks one... it's hard to get the thought out of your head and just relax and 'do it' afterwards.

The game was such a mirror of the week 17 game; even down to a long pass where Hill gets his hands on the ball and can't bring it in. The first time was at the end of the first half, the second time was at the beginning of overtime. Very strange how similar the games were and they had the identical results...

There absolutely was.

The only thing we don't know is what it was about...

We know what my suspicion is, and I'll bet if we could be a fly on the wall that my suspicion is probably closer *and makes more sense* than anything anyone else has come up with...

It's not accepted because it's ****ing ridiculous.

You don't run the clock by passing. Makes zero ****ing sense.

Passing plays are predicated on timing. Precision.

Buddha weeps...

And who was fighting and over what?

Well, the game WAS rigged. But by the NFL. Patrick's "bribe" for taking the dive was his paycheck.

Only an idiot thinks that people "get paid off" to rig these games.

We know for a fact coaches are involved, and owners. And the commissioner Players have also indicated as much.

So let's stop pretending that it doesn't happen, because it does.

And let's stop pretending that there's some unknown nefarious "they" who apparently "paid off" wither players or officials.

The players and officials do what they're told and cash their ****ing paychecks. Just like anyone else with a fucjing job to do.

You're a ****ing idiot.

His coach told him to.

That's why they got into a fight at halftime and Patrick played DUMB as ****.

THE NFL RIGS THEIR OWN GAMES.

2 COACHES CAME OUT AND ADMITTED AS MUCH TODAY.

Maybe you missed that news...

Agreed but it was Probably the opposite at halftime, Andy was probably too complacent. Bengals switched some things up, we didn’t adjust. We didn’t run the ball, which drives me crazy. Teams that run the ball and produce long drives don’t have this problem. Bengals also played really well in the 2nd half. We also had some bad luck with not catching some balls that we often do, tipped pass for ints and the refs not calling holding. Perfect storm of bad things that combined to produce a terrible 2nd half. The conspiracy stuff is crazy.

I’m just trying to explain why mahomes didn’t punch it in at first and goal. All of those reasons I posted previously are completely rational considering what happened earlier in the game.

That is what I am leaning to as well.

After Mahomes threw the pass to Tyreek at the end of the 1st half. EB was visibly upset. There was no hiding it. My theory is that EB and Mahomes had a confrontation during the half.