I think there’s a good chance someone wants a QB at the end of rd 1. This a the year with options for it.

I think DE's probably go early. I'm not sure we can or should trade up that high.

I'd rather see them just sit tight and see who falls. I think they can come away with a very good edge or DT AND a WR with those two picks.

The funny thing is.....there are still DEs that if drafted at 29 or 30....would be just fine in this defense.

This team is not in the position to be wasting value because they think that one player is this amazing guy. One player is not going to help out this defense as much as people think it is.

Who's the one guy that I want at WR? The one that nobody is talking about?

Jalen Tolbert from South Alabama.

My issue is "just fine" DE"s just end up being kinda meh. Now there's def value to be had with that, but I'm just not sure how that plays out.

It depends on your preference. Some folks like the Penn State pass rusher but others hate him and like a midget WR from Memphis who might be 150 lbs with a wet shirt on LMAO

Exactly.

I mean, with 4 picks in the first two rounds, there's going to be some very good DE and WR prospects available if we just sit tight.

This is a very thin draft at the top. You're likely trading above 15 to truly get an impact player at any position. However, it's absolutely LOADED in 2nd and 3rd rounds.

It's almost a perfect storm. Trading away multiple picks in THIS draft would be disappointing to say the least.

On the defensive line....depth of good pass rushers is what we should be after.

We could get THREE "just fine" DE's for the price of one trade up. I think that's how they're going to be building the team at these high priced positions in the future so maybe we should prepare ourselves for it.

All the more reason to not trade up. There just aren't that many blue chip prospects in this draft. Stay put.

I actually think there is one guy we all universally like that could be taken at 30.

Sam Williams

He’s got size, excellent athleticism and very good production in the SEC.

Those guys always move up. Always.

My worry is that the whole 2nd/3rd round prospect talk going around is code for it's a shitty draft.

We need to hit a good solid draft here.

I we got him and Burks at 29 and 30, that's a pretty solid draft before the 2nd round even happens.

No, it’s just a matter of fact.

This isn’t a good draft at the top (15-20), but there’s great depth into early day 3.

That’s the consensus, and it’s not “code” for anything.

Dude, are you not aware of the COVID stuff?

There's several, several guys in this draft that should have come out earlier because of COVID.

It's one of the deepest drafts in recent memory, especially at edge and WR.

You should stop worrying about this stuff. It's a super deep draft.

Exactly.

Yeah he’s slated to be a top 40 pick but we all know he’s going first rd.

12.5 sacks and 15 TFL in his final year in the SEC
22.5 sacks and 32.5 TFL in his 3 year college career
6’4”, 261 lbs, 33 1/8 arms and barely under 10 inch hands
4.46 40 with excellent bend

Yeah he’s going in the first rd

Just depends on how much his off the field issues knock him down.

You know what, I've been reading a ton of scouting reports this morning and doing mock sims.

The ONE guy I want now is Treylon Burks. Get him at 29 and then take Edge at 30 and I'll be ecstatic.

I'm interested to see if the type of DE that we go after changes now with Cullen as the DL coach.

Am too!!!

Every time someone talks about Christian Watson I talk about Jalen Tolbert.

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That's me, too. I'm starting to get my heart set on him and that never ends well.

Everything about him is awesome (except his combine). Huge hands. Fast. Gets open. Excelled against SEC talent.

He would be such a fun target for Mahomes, his own version of DK.

I'm not sure he's the kind of WR we'd target though. I love the guy though.

Can you honestly say what kind of WR we would be targeting anymore?

You've got MVS who is basically a tall, deep threat.
Juju can win in the short to middle level along with Kelce.
Hardman is your gadget WR. End arounds and crossers.

Burks can run WR screens. He can run deep routes.

How so?

Exactly. He's 6'3", 225 pounds, and can play inside or out. He's not the fastest guy but he's got scheme versatility that can't be discounted.

I need to go back and look at what kind of passing game we ran with Nagy back when he was here. I know he had Smith....but still.

Bigger body type.

Probably not though. Andy has made it work with every type so it probably won't matter.

He's about the same weight as Juju and 2 inches taller.

Could we get to NE @ #21? PHI @ #19, #16, or #15? How about WAS @ #11?

#30 + #62 + 2023 4th = #16?

#29 + #30 + #103 = #15 + #51?

#29 + #30 + #62 + #94 = #11 + #47?

If possible, we would retain x3 picks in the top 50. WAS might covet x4 picks in the top 100 as they still have a lot of holes to fill, we on the other hand have only a few needs and plenty of picks to consolidate. At #11 we will definitely have a shot at a Top 3 WR.

Round 1 | Pick 11 (from WAS)
Round 2 | Pick 47 (from WAS)
Round 2 | Pick 50 (from MIA)
Round 3 | Pick 103
Round 4 | Pick 125 (from MIA)
Round 4 | Pick 135
Round 7 | Pick 233
Round 7 | Pick 243
Round 7 | Pick 251
Round 7 | Pick 259

New 4 RD SI Mock has us flipping a 3rd and 4th to move up to #21 for J Williams

https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-...t-go-top-three

Williams WR (1st)
Karlaftis DE (1st)
Woolen CB (2nd)
Cook RB (2nd)
Robinson WR (3rd)
Petit-Frere OT (4th)

SI comparing Karlaftis to Jared Allen, and he gets a glowing review on NFLDRAFTBUZZ:https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...ftis-DE-Purdue

New? That came out 4 days ago and already has a thread for it.

Devin Lloyd

One at, like, 30 or 32? Sure.

I’d like to addend my answer from earlier in this thread please?

I had wanted Jermaine Johnson (and still do), but the likelihood of him falling to us is becoming a pipe dream.

So, I’m changing my answer to Sam Williams. Most mocks have him going anywhere from like 50 to 150. That crazy range stems from the weird sexual battery charges that were dropped relatively soon after being filed.

From my research, his only real weakness is his footwork that leads to below average run defense. But by all accounts, that is extremely teachable.
But, his strengths are off the hook…
- speed: 4.46 40
- overall RAS: 9.71 (elite)
- size: elite at 6’4” 265
- speed to power is elite
- 3 cone and shuttle graded out elite (at pro day)
- performance: 12.5 sacks
- accolades: 2nd team All American

He definitely passes the eye test. Check out the sack he had against Auburn when he had the sack, didn’t quite wrap up, lost the sack, fell down, got up, re-acquired target and got the sack. Relentless!

Ironically, his major is Multi-Disciplinary Studies…
If the team does the research and determines he is good to go, I believe a first round selection may be in order.

Ojabo or Sam Williams?

For me, Williams and you know why? ;)

Lol…. We are far apart on that issue. I’d take both of the injured guys in ojabo and jameson & try to sign stop gap free agents in the short run, like ingram, clowney or will fuller and Sammy Watkins on 1 year deals. Getting the pick right for the long term is more important to me. But I love Sam Williams too. He’s a freak. His ten yard split is as fast as some of the rbs.

If you take Ojabo...then you for sure need to draft another DE in the 2nd or 3rd round because he won't be 100% when Week 1 comes around.

My favorite pairing is Ojabo in the 1st and Thomas at 50.

Yep.

Yep. If you can get Ojabo and Thomas....then you're good at the DE position for the future. Obviously that's assuming that Ojabo regains that athleticism that he had before the injury.

I know this is blasphemous but how much are the Georgia guys getting overrated simply based on the amount of talent that was on that defensive line?

Walker, Davis, Wyatt....it's not like you can double team all of them.

One of the reasons I like Karlaftis.

Sam Williams sounds like a Chief to me. Bad character problems but an elite prospect

It’s a fair point.

I know one thing, I soured a little on Wyatt when I realized he would be 24 before the season starts.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with taking him at 29/30, but no way am I moving up for him.

Same with Boye Mafe (who will also be 24).

I'm waiting on that San Diego State pro day to see what Cameron Thomas does. He's the same size as Karlaftis.

Ojabo or Jameson. I think after the dust settles, those are 2 of the 6-7 guys in this draft that will end up top end players. The only reason there’s any chance of getting them is the recent injuries…and both injuries were labeled as “clean” with thought of both players having full recoveries after rehab.

I’d probably die of a heart attack if we found a way to get both without using picks from this year.

Ideal first 3 rounds of the draft for me:

1a) Ojabo
1b) Jameson Williams
2a) Sam Williams/Cam Thomas
2b) Travis Jones
3a) Calvin Austin/Sky Moore
3b) James Cook

Kelce and Thornhill were great values because of that.

They also weren't 1st round picks, though...

For Jordan Davis, yeah. He's going to be a wrecking ball, he's going to have a great year of development with Chris Jones absorbing double teams, he's going to loosen the pressure of needing to have great DEs, and he's going to help the team longterm by giving them cap flexibility and consistency at DT when Jones has to walk.

The pick we'd be giving up is... what? The 30th? The 32nd?

That one selection, if we nail it, does so much to fix this defense right now and long term.

I think Skyy Moore is a solid 2nd-rounder.

There is no guarantee of where we're picking. We have a gauntlet of a schedule and the AFC West has all improved. Trading away our first round pick would be dumb.

Exactly.

So long as we have Mahomes, we're finishing at least at 26 or 27, somewhere in there.

Absolutely.

I’d probably entertain using the extra 3rd next year -at MAX-if someone falls that Veach wants to go get.

Even that, I’m not a huge fan of without a name a masochist Ed with the conversation.

Another guy I'd be happy with in the 3rd round is Isaiah Thomas, DE out of Oklahoma.

Yep. He'd be perfect to pair with a guy in the 1st or 2nd, whether it be edge or DT.

Can’t remember who it was that said they were wondering how good each Georgia DL is bc they all were together.

Think you could make a case for OU too. Thomas, Winfrey and Bonito

LMAO....that was me.

The difference is that the Georgia guys are being looked at as top 20 picks. The Oklahoma guys are all 2nd to 3rd round picks.

I don't have a problem taking a DT, but you need DE's to rush the passer. It's much easier to block a DT, there's just more bodies in there to throw at them.

We need youth and athleticism at DE.

Another difference is a national championship… ;)

The OU guys were a product of poor coaching though. Most of them blew up during the senior bowl. They could be pretty underrated still but who knows.

I’m a big Jameson Williams and Sam Williams fan but I’ve got another dude I really want for us.

Jalen Pitre

He’s got excellent lateral agility and is very versatile like Matheiu was. I think he would be awesome in Spags defense.

Tolbert is not in the same conversation as jameson and burks. He looks solid though. 7.98 ras. But he’s not getting much separation off of Georgia southern cbs. Burks and jameson are smoking Georgia cbs.

https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/...0%2Fframe.html

How about something like this:

#29 - 640 points
#30 - 620 points
#50 - 400 points
#62 - 286 points (1946 total points)


To Houston for

#13 - 1150 points
#37 - 540 points
#68 - 250 points (1940 total points)


Chiefs draft:

13 Jordan Davis DT (the guy I want out of this draft)
37 Sam Williams DE
68 Cam Thomas DE

Defensive line fixed.

2 more 3rd's and 2 4th's to work on WR and DB's and maybe a LB.
4 more 7th rounders for whatever.

Nah. I'd rather stand pat, take Devonte Wyatt, take a couple of DE's and a WR before even getting to the third round instead.

I really like him too, but I keep having Cine available to me in mocks in the first. If he fell to 50 it would be a great pick.

Pitre just ran a 4.45 at his pro day.

3 cone-6.74-3rd among safeties
40-4.45-9th among safeties
20 yd shuttle-4.18-2nd among safeties
Bench-16 reps-tied for 6th among safeties

Dude is athletic as hell, intelligent and played all over the field at Baylor. He’s an ideal Matheiu replacement.

Drake London.

I want height and size. Sick of relying on little guys with speed to beat press coverage in the playoffs.

I know KC needs other positions more, but Daxton Hill plays like that all around DB that Spags loves to use.

Hill is a specimen for sure. I could see the Chiefs still taking him, especially if they don't view Thornhill as a 2nd-contract guy.

Hypothetical for you guys…
After we take my guy Sam Williams with pick 29 ;) ,would we take Elam or Dax at 30?

It's entirely possible, yes.

Ojabo.

Genuinely curious: how many players come back the same after this injury? Cam Akers didn’t. He wasn’t good

As interesting as that sounds, I'd almost rather wait to take another edge in the 2nd round.