Gritty win for your crew. Surprised you gutted through that comeback.

Decent little win for the Tigers tonight. Gutted it out on the road.

Finally a decent opponent. Good win! 16 steals and only 7 turnovers. Really surprised we squeaked that one out. Wichita state hit 12 threes and shot 54% from the field. They were pretty hot tonight. Our guys have really quick hands and the steals were a big reason we won.

My takeaway from this game?

Cuonzo Martin was REALLY bad at coaching.

But he said he was gonna bring back St. Louis to Mizzou basketball! Wouldn't need to even show up with all that talent!

I’m not sure what to take from that win, but not coming close to complaining. I think in SEC play we are really going to struggle on the boards. Maybe it doesn’t matter as much though giver our pace.

To that end, we are infinitely more likable than any Kermit or Cuonzo team.

It’s a fun team to like. I think we are a sweet 16 team if we shoot marginally ok. East and Honor are legit point guards and if Mosley will ever commit to playing defense he is good for 17 a night.

(Which is why he’s not playing…he won’t commit to defense)

And Kermit*

Gates said that Mosley is working through personal issues. He had been playing 20+ minutes a game for the past 4 games, so he was getting good time. I think we win this game by quite a bit if he plays.

I don’t wish personal issues on anyone. I hope it’s defensive issues (which easily can be corrected), which is what I heard (second hand).

To your point, yeah he’s been insane the last few games. I guess I hope neither one of us is right.

Dave Matter's tweet

Gates: Mosley is working though personal things. Nothing behavioral or injury related. Says it’s a privacy matter. Was happy to see him coaching from the bench.

Roger that. I hope he is ok.

I'm really hoping it's something minor, but it's just weird to me that he was dressed and on the bench and wasn't able to play at all. He's on the bench, but it's not because he's in trouble or injured, so what else could it be?

I don’t know the answer to that. For everything I’ve read or heard, Mosley is a good person.

But neither of us can deny he’s slow to rotate and plays defense at the waist. We are so small we HAVE to defend the 3-point line. Given that Gates can play 10 easily, absent a personal issue, you absolutely HAVE to play Mosley in conference play. Obviously Matter knows more than me, but if we want to be successful, Mosley has to be a big part of our plan.

Mosley is probably our best scorer and that's saying something cuz our team has several that can score. We will need him.

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81 possessions and only 8 turnovers against a solid mid-major program.

Man that's impressive. And yeah, that's gotta have a little to do with the players, but coaching HAS to be the main difference there, doesn't it?

I mean, if nothing else, it's a function of trying to get guys on the roster who value the ball.

I'm just floored by how quickly this team changed its identity. Granted, turning over 85% of the roster in a single season will do that, but still - it came together for them so dang quickly and not with a pile of elite prospects.

Absolutely it's coaching

It's amazing how incompetent he was. It's also amazing to come to this realization:

The Tigers have a competent coach who understands offensive basketball and how to mold his style to the team he has (rather than pounding the team he has into a specific style) for the first time since Frank Haith was the coach.

Haith had faults, but he was still much better at this than either Kermit the Coach or CuonzNO.

Should be a fun game on the 10th. I know not all fans on either side agree, but I'm looking forward a competitive match, as I think it will be.

I think you were the one that made this point the loudest, but the reason the Tigers couldn't play offense was the Cuonzo simply didn't try to recruit it.

He recruited grit/size/defensive tenacity first, then passing and shooting in some order well behind it.

And I suspect most of his practices weren't built around establishing a cohesive offensive foundation either.

It was a simple question of priorities for him and they were just...wrong. The True Sons who wanted a return to the halcyon days of Norm Stewart (which simply weren't that great to begin with) got what they wanted but they were so damn out of touch with modern basketball.

Cuonzo should probably be a defensive assistant somewhere or maybe a mid-major coach who can punch up and try to ugly up some games against higher quality opponents.

But he's clearly wildly overmatched as a Power 5 head coach.

Oh, I definitely shouted that from the rooftops.

His practice sessions did not focus on offensive basketball, or skill work. It was 80 percent conditioning and defense, rebounding, and toughness drills.

I think he was targeted more because he was a minority from St. Louis, and a few key boosters convinced Sterk he would be able to lock down the STL metro as a result.

And hey. That looked good for... 9 months? Then he lost the EJ Liddell recruitment while also getting burned out on high-profile recruits by his difficulties with Porter's family. And it tanked as a result.

His proper level is coaching hoops at DIII or something like that, where it is NOT scholarship and his values line up more with the types of student athletes they have.

Wichita State and Gregg Marshall broke Cuonzo at Tennessee and before that pounded his a$$ at Misery State twice a year for multiple seasons. He was Andrew Luck after Mahomes by the time he got to Mizzou.

He did, does, and always will suck at running a college basketball program.

Inconsistent and below-average recruiter. Poor skill developer. Not a good in-game coach. Not able to design an effective offense.

He's a good person who is great at helping guys be complete people and develop some toughness. That's not a good D1 hoops coach any more, and hasn't been since the 1980s, really.

Totally agree. I think his Purdue resume and professional career gave him momentum and opened doors. I don’t get why TN and Cal hired him. Mizzou? I guess because he was a St.Louis native.

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Don't worry about Chiefaroo. He is going to be forever stuck in the 10-year run of Greggggggg at WSU. KU lives rent free in his head and now it appears that MU will too.

I’ve got no argument with Mizzou fan. WSU and Mizzou beat each other in away games recently. I’m quite content watching the Shocks have an average college basketball season so they can fire the lame coach that was hired by the lame AD who was fired recently.

Now Missouri State? C’mon man. It’s about league titles and NCAA runs. You won a title once or twice. Congrats. WSU won the NIT that same year.
Who wins every league game… oh wait WSU did do that too a few years later and made Mo-St’s players cry on their home court. Pounded that furry pig booty for years afterwards.

KU fan can Jack off to Selfs toupee.

I think WSU took 2/3 from Cuonzo at UT then he went to Cal if memory serves.

Hey buddy memories are all any of us have. If it weren’t for last season KU fan would still be talking about Mario Chalmers … which was a very long time ago.

I will give you credit for clicking on this thread. Seems most KU fans don’t really like College basketball they just want to be called the NCAA champ every season and be done with it.

I think Dennis Gates has this skill as well as being able to recruit and coach at a high level. That press conference with him and I can't remember the player, but he was talking about how Coach Gates has helped him so much.

He seems like a great guy.

He's certainly a presence. Couple that with guys actually executing offensively, even with the game on the line, and it's refreshing to say the least.

:hmmm:

Some day we’ll run into each other, grab a beer or two and have a good laugh about what a complete and utter moron you are.

We gonna learn a lot about these boys this month

Difficulties w/ Porter's family?

According to Sagarin KU would be favored by -2 playing Mizzouche today.

I will be in CoMo most likely for the game if any of you want to meet the Legend

Lisa was a problem. Their wacko views on health were a problem.

The veganism shit that turned the kids' bodies to fail them?

I was doing some digging and came across something I hadn't seen before,

"I kept playing through junior year, through senior year of high school, just with some nagging back pain. Always tried to go to different chiropractors, always tried to go to different therapists, to help me get it better.”

Porter’s injury woes continued as a freshman at Missouri. Porter said a therapist, whom he declined to name, made his injury worse while at Missouri.

“At Mizzou I kept seeing more chiropractors, and I remember one chiropractor did an adjustment and the pain moved from my back to my hips, and I was like, ‘What’s going on?’ ” Porter said. “And the chiropractor was like, ‘It’s new muscles turning on it.’ And then it stayed with me for like three days, and I noticed my leg getting a little smaller … and I’m like, ‘What’s going on?’

“So I tried to jump at practice on my left leg and I couldn’t jump as high. And so that’s when I knew something was really messed up, and that was like the day before our first game against Iowa State. So that was the scariest thing ever.”

Like wtf? This kid was having back issues since his JR year in high school and just kept going to different chiropractors. Did Mizzou know about his back problems before the Iowa St game? Did the family have the audacity to try and act like Mizzou was responsible for the injury? This is just nuts that he was having back pain for that long and seems he didn't go to any actual doctors.

Like it's not a coincidence or bad luck when every single ****ing kid in that family has an insane amount of injuries.

Bri Porter had like 5 torn ACLs and had to medically retire

Cierra Porter had multiple knee injuries that led to surgeries and she had to medically retire

Michael Porter had his back issues and back surgery in college and then gets to the NBA and once again has back surgery. He then hurts it again during rehab

Jontay Porter tore his ACL and MCL, then after he was healed he tore his ACL again.

Coban Porter - tore his meniscus during a pickup game.

Jevon Porter is a 6'11" freshmen at Pepperdine. He was a top 75 recruit and hasn't had an injury yet.

Jayda Porter - hasn't hurt herself yet and plays college basketball

Izaak Porter - High school senior that's not yet been injured

Those two guys ruined basketball for me.

That was part of it. The other part of it was Lisa calling all the shots on medical decisions and avoiding common medical advice in lieu of YouTube research and advice from her fellow Quiverfull parents in their wacky mega church community.

They weren’t using team resources for any of the surgeries or treatments they were undergoing in college, or during rehab. The team had no clue he had back issues coming in and had no input or knowledge of what was happening even while Michael was part of the team and his dad was a “coach.”

They found out he was going to Dallas to have surgery on Twitter or Instagram. Etc.

Does anyone even care about the MU KU rivalry anymore?

Feels like the hype level is 0.

All us old bastards still care.

I hate kansas like PB hates himself.

I'd like to see some quality games against them again because the atmospheres were always electric - they were a lot of fun.

But I don't have the level of visceral loathing I once did. Honestly, I kinda really hate Georgia now. Tennessee is another team I really enjoy taking shots at but we need to get our !@#$ in order to keep from getting waxed by them going forward in both sports.

Gates was our female AD's first major hire, right?

Can't say I was a big fan of her getting the job - but that wasn't really based on anything other than my initial (somewhat sexist?) perception of it. So far, so good it seems. Gates looks like the real deal. I finally got to see them play for the first time a couple nights ago and it was sooooo much better than watching a Cuonzo team.

Kentucky, for mainly football reasons, has become my new kU.

I enjoy the nostalgia of the matchup but no where near what it was.

I don't like Kansas, but it's not how I used to hate them. I actually respect them now, mostly because of their basketball team and I actually thought there little hot streak in football was kind of cool.

I'm hoping this game brings back some of that hatred.

My hate for KU will be around until Norm Stewart dies.

That won't be much longer based on how rough he looks.

Per PowerMizzou:

Mizzou #37 right now in Kenpom

Upcoming games vs:

#3 Tennessee
#4 Kentucky
#12 Alabama
#13 Arkansas
#16 Illinois
#17 kansas
#19 Auburn
#26 Mississippi State
#45 Texas A&M
#48 Iowa State
#51 Ole Miss
#53 LSU
#58 Florida
#72 UCF
#78 Vanderbilt
#106 Georgia
#167 South Carolina
#278 SEMO

That's a tough December

The boys are about to learn a few things 'bout themselves, aren't they?

It's nuts how many people blamed Mizzou for his back injury. Hell, they thought it was his hip at first because apparently he didn't let them know anything. Thats some of the craziest shit I've ever saw about an athlete.

Honestly, I think I've fallen into the manufactured rivalry with Arky. I have family who are fans, so it means a bit more. Outside of them, I don't care a whole lot, including kansas.

I better warn you guys.

KU fans (including myself) were saying the same damn things last year - until about 4 days before the game. The KU freshmen were 8 when MU was in the Big 12. The rivalry is dead, right?

But what we didn’t know is that KU Greek Life FIREBOMBED Lawrence social media with all kinds of MU HATE. Shit you’d think Quantrill was coming with you guys to Lawrence. Even Bill Self was dismissive of this, until the zoomers started camping out a week before the game. The college students in the org I still oversee on KU’s campus said some classes got cancelled on that Friday because no one was showing up.

And then the game was so electric that people said it topped our home matchups with Kentucky. Even Bill Self, who did not hide how much he loathed that our old AD forced this matchup again, admitted how fun it was.

I’m just saying, wait until the game and see how the zoomers on your campus start prepping for this, and if your upstart team gets this one close late in the second half before our newest crop of cheating douchebag players get a weak call in their favor, the feelings will all come back again.

I didn't even watch last year, because I had checked out with MU basketball. This year ill be watching and will probably feel that old hatred. At least I hope.

I don’t feel the hatred I once did. I sometimes find myself rooting for MU in football (like against UGA) because I hate some of the other SEC teams more. But anytime we play MU, you can bet your ass I’ll be cheering like crazy for KU. It’s definitely not as personal as it once was though.

Yeah, back in the day we'd each be invading the others threads to talk shit. Now we can have respectful conversations lol. Back in the day I would have been in the KU football thread talking so much shit after you all lost.

That's the main difference. Even venturing into this thread back in the day would result in 3 neg reps, and a DM from a KU fan asking WTF I was doing.

But man... during the game last year. You know that scene in Unforgiven when Clint Eastwood's character throws down liquor for the first time in the movie and then goes full Will Munny and unleashes on that saloon? Yeah. Pretty much when we downed our first three it was like your poor team were the same bastards who sacked Todd Reesing in the endzone and dashed our hopes at being the #1 team in the country. For that glorious 40 minutes it was like the rivalry was back (it helped that AFH was going absolutely apeshit).

I also cheer Mizzou on against other SEC teams, the rivalry is certainly not what it used to be, but at the same time, I doubt any other bowl matchup at 6-6 would get me interested in flying across the country to Memphis to see the game. Hell, even Self is openly campaigning for that matchup right now.

I'm kind of the same way. I actually, Lord help me, thought your FB success at the beginning of the year was kind of cool. Ugh, did I just say that?

Too bad Moo is ducking us on that potential matchup.

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Quoting so it will live on forever...... :)


Looking forward to the game next week. The old rivalry was so much fun I'm hoping that with time, multiple basketball/football matchups, and KU obviously cheating to win we'll get to see the same level of hate & disgust for the opposing team & fans that we once did.

Nevermind. I take back everything I said.

Too late. I read it. You said the KU football success was cool. Welcome to the Jayhawk family!

KU fans like you are a reason why I hated KU so much. You guys pulled that shit for a decade in regards to basketball or any other sport. Your football team is finally not absolute dogshit, so you're some big badasses now.

So why hasn't Mosley gotten his NIL money and car liked he was promised? That is the reason he isn't playing.

The booster probably reneged when he kept showing up late to practice.

Huh

Are you bringing Norm Stewart or something?

The game was not televised for some reason, but DeAndre Gholston made a 3-pointer at the buzzer to beat UCF 68-66.

I watched it. Epic!

How did you watch it? I couldn't find a broadcast anywhere.

He banked in a 40 footer from the logo.

God damn can't believe this game wasn't televised. 2nd best team they've played all year too.

It was on Bally Sports Midwest, formally Fox Sports Midwest. Heck of an ending!

My go to for what options for viewing are. https://mutigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

They've gotta find more offensive consistency.

They looked like the better team for most of that game but just kept having stretches where they couldn't hit anything.

That's a nice win but still demonstrated the ceiling for the team right now. And yeah - I don't feel like Gholston called glass...

Isaiah Mosley would go a long way to improving the offense, but for a reason that they aren't disclosing, so he isn't playing much.

UCF has 3 losses and one was to #25 Miami. They lost there first game by 3, lost to Miami by 2 and then us by 2. They're probably a tourney team. I'd say we have pretty close to a 75% to make the tourney this year.

the buzzer beater

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Nahh they're going to lose a lot of games in conference because Dawkins sucks as a coach.

First game I saw very much of but they look to be pretty weak rebounding. There were a lot of second and third chances for UCF.