I’ll only be pissed if we take a player that is not on the field. No more Dee Ford’s that sit for a year before they do anything.

Need every player we draft in the first 2 rds (at least) on the field get in playtime week 1

The only surprising thing Veach could do today for me is trade down.

Yeah i said Andy has a history with BB they would be a prime suitor to trade up with and probably not cost a lot but I'd only do it for DE like Karlaftis.

Depends who they take. If they're really building for the future, they need to prioritize long term instead of ready day 1

That’s not as important for me.

Preferably, they have an impact right away, but I’m all for taking a big swing like Ojabo or Metchie.

Exactly. You don’t pass on a guy who you like more long term for a guy that can play right away.

How about we do both? It isn't a one or the other type of scenario.

Ideally, yes, you go for both.

But philosophically I think it makes more sense to draft for the next 2-3 years and not just year 1.

And I think that’s how the majority of teams view it.

Just an absolute treat of a day we are in for fellas.

I don't think any WR you draft this year is going to step in year 1 and be a true WR1 in this offense. This offense isn't built like that and none of the WRs in this draft are built for it.

That's why I'm against trading up for one. It's also why I'm not passing on DB and DE help in the first round unless you can get one of those top WRs for way cheaper than how it looks right now.

Karlaftis could come in and probably get you 4-6 sacks....help against the run and get Frank Clark off the field more. A CB could probably come in and immediately help from day 1. Whether that's a safety like Hill who can play NCB or just a straight outside guy like Elam or Gordon.

Get a guy that you like at WR in the 2nd round and then draft another one in the 4th who can immediately help on STs while learning the offense.

Yeah I’m out on Ojabo, especially in the first rd. He’s a wash this year and next year you hav no idea what the **** you’re gonna get with an injury of that magnitude.

I also don’t want to double dip at the same position twice early simply bc of that risk. Seems counter productive

That 30 pick is looking like a prime trade down spot if the QB teams want a 5th year option

It used to be. It was like adult christmas back before they ruined it all by dividing up the rounds into small bits every night. Tonight is picks 1-10 I believe but i dont even know what nights/days have which picks after that. When I come across phrases like "player X will be a good day 2 pick", I dont know what that means anymore.

So the fun is ruined.

Back in the day though I was like Hank Sr. All my rowdy friends would come over draft day morn and we would drink and get noise violations. One year I bought a giant magarita maker and we all drank delicious magaritas for breakfast. And lunch. Dinner too. Those were the days!

Yep. I expect to trade up with the 29th and a 2nd. Then trade down from 30 to get like a 3rd or something….

And if Veach trades up from 29....then I'm all for a trade down from 30.

They should double dip at DE regardless of whether or not they take Ojabo though.

Does anyone want Nakobe Dean or are we out on him? I definitely like him a lot. Where are you guys at w/ him, LB just not a strong enough need (so early) ...?

Where are you seeing they are only doing picks 1-10 tonight? I'm trying to find that somewhere but not having luck. I thought the first round was all tonight and then round 2-3 is tomorrow followed by the rest.

I think it's the entire first round tonight, rounds 2 and 3 tomorrow night, and 4-7 on Saturday.

It's not that we're out on Dean. He's talented but where we're picking....there should be better options for needs on this team.

Every draft where Karlaftis falls to NE I make that trade.

Yep.

This draft is about the next dynasty, not 2022.

WTF are you talking about? Tonight is round one. Tomorrow is round 2/3. Then everything else is saturday.

I actually would not be surprised at all if they decide to double dip at corner early bc the position is so weak right now.

It’s pretty bare

I have a feeling that Veach is thinking the same thing.

I think they go CB in the 1st and then again in the 3rd-4th range.

Karlaftis could well be on the board for the Chiefs if they don't move up.

We take BPA on that position if he isn't.

Ah, I see. That's better than what I was expecting but still sucks compared to the first three rounds going all day long. And while I'm still down to drink margaritas all day long on a Thursday, none of those aforementioned rowdy friends are willing to join in :grr:

Honestly, they aren't very good at DE Corner or WR right now, so they could double dip at any of those and probably work out fine.

No thanks. Second round picks are insanely valuable, draft chart be damned.

You want to throw in a Creed Humphrey or Nick Bolton for the opportunity to select a bit higher?

I think they should double dip at all three of those positions.

Yeah that's the problem.. It starts on a ****ing Thursday night. It was a weekend event before they put it on Thursday night and more commercials.

I miss it on Saturday and Sunday.

He's tempting..if Veach does it I wouldn't be surprised tbh because he's a quality player.

What if Wyatt is still on the board at the end of the 1st? Thoughts?

I kind of like the format. I'd rather it be a friday start then all day saturday i guess. But really my biggest complaint is how long the first round takes. You know the first 3 teams at least could have their pick in in a minute.

I prefer him to Mafe tbh

take both

I do not want devonte wyatt- he had five sacks in four years playing alongside the most talented defensive line in college football and he’s already 24. Just no

I'd like to have him but don't want to lose picks to move up is what I think.

If we traded both #29 and #30 to one team and wanted picks in the 3rd round, what could we get?

3 minimum picks?

Could we get 4 ?

I'm not even sure what you're asking.

You want to trade down from 29 and 30 into the 3rd round?

Yes, if we decide not to bundle them to trade up because the guys we want are gone and we decide to go back into the 3rd round.

Short answer a boat load of picks.

1. You'd be getting horrible value for those two 1st round picks.
2. Moving back from 29 and 30 to the 3rd round would get Veach fired.
3. Nobody has enough picks.

Me too. A pass rusher has to be really good which is why a trade up would make sense. At corner you just need capable players that don’t get torched.

That’s the way the league is set up know

You should get three 3rds and a 23 1st for those two picks.

Would rather have Winfrey then Wyatt. The way OU used their dline was just flat out dumb. I think you're going to see these OU players be really good NFL players.

Thanks - I'm not a draft guru and don't follow it as closely as many of you do knowing "value" of every pick

Me either. Just saw a few mocks lately where he's dropping to our area at the end of the 1st. I think he'll be long gone by then, just wanted to know what people thought if somehow he was still there.

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According to a draft value chart that I looked up the #29 and #30 picks are worth the first 5 picks of the 3rd round, but you'd have to throw in a late 4th round pick along with #29 and #30.

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For shits and giggles I tried it - don't pay too close attention to the players and THREE pass rushers, I was just flying through. Accepted the best trades I could get.


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If you get 7 good years (incl the extension), isn't that good enough? 31 yr old by then, can still contribute, but at 24, he is closer to man strength and may contribute sooner?

I do NOT understand all this hubub this year about guys being 24. Like that's some disqualifying thing.

They're TWENTY FOUR years old. Not THIRTY FOUR.

Who ****ing cares?

You're going to draft them on a 4 year rookie deal no matter what.

WHO ****ING CARES?

Lots of guys went back an extra year because they lost a season to Covid and wanted to try to improve their draft stock, so....

WHO ****ING CARES?

#Taggs

It's not a huge deal but I think people are looking at it from a second contract lens.

If a rookie is 21 when you draft him....you're getting years 25-29 on that second contract. With a guy like Mafe.....his second contract is hitting at 29.

What if Ojabo falls to 50? Would you take him as your first DE selection (assuming 29 and 30 are combo of (S, WR, or CB)?

Good pick from Alabama CB Jayln Armor-Davis. I've bee saying we need a guy with a - in his name.

Gross.

Kiper's final mock posted today:

K Thibs fell to #12

J Will fell to #15

Do we trade up?

Look, if you're LUCKY, that's an issue you're going to have to deal with.

If we win two SB's between now and then, does it matter?

Thibodeaux? Yes.
Williams? No.

Love the player, the leader, the smarts, but not the value. I think you can get a 2-down cover LB with a fourth, even a 7th.

But at the same time, if it’s a hit, that might allow you to get a better 2nd contract.

I'm not saying that I'm passing on anyone who is 24. I'm just saying that it's also something that we shouldn't ignore.

You should be looking at the draft as a best case scenario that your players earn 2nd contracts.

LMAO Bros, our boy Veach is damn near a lock to not be trading down to acquire more draft capital. He's NEVER done it, not once, and now all of a sudden he's going to be more "frugal" with his assets? Nah, far more likely he's either moving draft assets for a traded player or to move up. It's how he's always operated here and I have a hard time seeing that change the year he'll probably have the most draft capital ever to play with.

Wouldn't it more likely go the other way in that he would wanna cash out while he may be on his last contract.

It matters. It means that players are farther along on their development curve. It's not so much that they won't have that many years to contribute, it just means that they generally don't have as much room to grow/develop as a football player. They are closer to their ceiling. They were generally competing against players in college that were a couple years younger than them which would only enhance their college production.

If you're lucky and the pick hits?

Thats true, it is mostly luck.

So then why is it a lock that he's trading up in the first? He's never done that either.

Here's my hot take:

Thibodeaux will be a head case.

Anyone catch his interview on NFLN with Bucky Brooks and Lance Zierlein?

Great player. Just ask him.....
There's confidence, and then there is psychotic.
Guy is certifiable.

They can want all they want, but teams aren’t going to give a 29 year old the 2nd contract that they would give to a 26 year old.

It makes Veach’s preference for 3 year deals a lot more likely IMO.

Jesus. Can tonight just happen already?

IF the organization doesn't see Thornhill as a player they see worth keeping past this season I wouldn't mind a trade up for Hamilton. Johnson, Thibedeux and Stingley in that camp as well. If for some reason Walker, Hutchinson, or Gardner slide Ill be a bit miffed if we don't pounce, but from everything I've read that's not happening.

Never said its a lock, but its exponentially more likely given how Veach has operated here.

Watch some film...dude is an explosive beast that hustles. He'd have more sacks if the other studs didn't get there first...and of course, he flushed the QB out of the pock. That's what I'm going with, anyway ;)

I wouldnt be surprised. If a trade up doesnt pan out, a trade down with one of the picks wouldnt be surprising at all.

Psychotic is a little much.

Yes for Thibs as WAS would be a perfect to get him too. They don't have many picks and have a lot of holes.