I caught a few minutes of a Pitt preseason game and he looked really ****ing good.

I think I made a post about can someone in the NFC please do something right talent wise?

Fuuuuck the Steelers. But he looks good.

One of the best wins in the Mahomes era and you’re here the next day bitching. Just incredible.

Some people will never ever be happy

That was his only post since the GDT.

Here was his last post in the GDT:

Dude is 100% a miserable ****. He wouldn't shut up after the Colts game, then the Chiefs win big against Brady and the Bucs and all of a sudden he has nothing to say?

I'm looking forward to the inevitable trajectory of Pickens' career. All-Pro WR in his second year. 3rd year the diva kicks in and he's starting to cause trouble. 4th year Moore has more yards and Pickens is fighting with coaches.

Fine, he's very good, but we'll see how it plays out. I'm already beginning to dislike hearing his name!

As a Jets fan VERY happy with our draft. Having a competent GM makes a world of difference.

At one stage some of our fanship desperately wanted Tyler Linderbaum with one of our top 10 picks (!!). I think the Ravens have missed a trick with their first rounders, Linderbaum in particular is a waste of a pick for me given positional value and his measurables.

Chiefs have done well out of this draft but they've been drafting great for a number of years now.

What's your take on Zach Wilson?

Despite his poor stats I'm honestly happy with him. He has elite tools in terms of his arm and has shown clear improvement in navigating the pocket this season and in overall accuracy.

Last week's game was the first game I've seen in many a year where our QB actually elevated the players around him. We have an O line like Swiss cheese and Wilson's ability to escape and throw under pressure was very good. Admittedly it was only for a half but he was super for that half.

The GM has done a great job with putting the players around him to help him grow.

He still has flaws in his game, in his poor first half he was still not seeing open recievers, and he was still poor connecting on screen passes (this was what he was like last year) but after that second half and some other flashes I've seen from him last year, I'm as hopeful as I was since before Chad Pennington did his shoulder almost two decades ago and then turned into a duck chucker post surgery.

I thought Wilson looked good in his first game back.

It'll be interesting to see how he does as the season goes on, because he has a nice group of weapons with Wilson, Davis, Moore, Hall, and Carter.

That he does. He still struggles to throw to his right in the flat/behind line of scrimmage on screens. Some screen passes you would be able to be more accurate with. Its so odd for a guy who is pinpoint accurate with much more difficult throws down the field.

What's with all the Raimann love?

Just really liked him in the draft and I think they've got a load of value with the pick. He's looks pretty technically decent given how little time he's had at the position and he's an insane mover. But if he was part of the Colts team yesterday it looks like their OL got smashed, so early days.

I'm also not going to pretend he would have been a pick I was looking at as I really didn't care about drafting another OT particularly early, it's only with Brown's play this year that i'm concentrating on "what ifs". Mostly I was looking at projects in the later rounds.

Yeah, both Raimann AND Pryor looked like shit yesterday.

But then again, I'm betting the beer vendors were tripping over their own feet last night. Pretty garbage effort by everyone involved in that one...

Khalil Shakir.

3 catches, 75 yards, 1 TD.

He's making it hard to take him off the field.

I really don't think you watched Raimann hard enough in that game my dude. Raimann played quite well for a rookie in his first real start. He was technically and assignment-sound. Where he's lacking, and he can't fix it right now, is in strength and we all knew that coming in. He had a hard time anchoring against power but he still kept guys riding the arc. He had a couple of bad snaps, especially the one where he got thrown to the turf like a ragdoll, but other than that he was solid. I wish we had a rookie looking like he did. Instead, we have a 5th-year pro that wants a record contract looking worse.

Pryor now... that dude was hot garbage on more than a few plays. So was their right guard.

The bills are an excellent drafting team. Gotta give 'em credit. Cook is looking really good too.

Kaiir Elam has been solid and so too has Christian Benford (at least until he got hurt early week 3 against Miami).

Someone wants to question who has been better than Veach in the draft, it's been Beane. 100%.

Not recently.

Cook has been a non-factor this year. Buffalo's class has played well but with regard to corners, their D line has been owning some bad teams lately.

We get to see how good their rookie corners actually are this week.

Last year's draft KC> Buffalo and I suspect we will win this year too.

Their DL is good and Rousseau and Basham look impressive, but the biggest improvement has obviously been the MASSIVE contract they gave Miller.

They've drafted very well in my opinion but they've also invested a lot.

At least he’s playing instead of resting.


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They stole him.


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Jalen Pitre was my guy in this draft. Perfect Matheiu replacement.

He just had a game with 8 tackles, 1 sack, 2 tackles for loss, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered in week 3.

He’s an amazing player. Would have been perfect here with Spags (sigh)

Pitre has looked amazing so far. So has Brisker, for that matter.

I wouldn't have ever been able to talk myself into spending a 1st rounder on Pitre or a top 50 pick on Brisker.

Hell, I don't like spending 62 on Cook.

I found myself taking Nick Cross a LOT. But/for the McDuffie trade, I might have used 94 on Cross or Kerby Joseph. Though in all honesty, I'd have probably just taken Myjai Sanders there or maybe Perrion Winfrey.

Ojabo is practicing. Interested to see if he can make an impact this year. Was really hoping he’d make it to one of our seconds

Yep those were my picks at safety, Doubs or Calvin Austin would've been good WR double-dips and Winfrey would have been niiiiiiice.

Pitre, Doubs, and Winfrey were 3 of my favorites in the draft.

Loved Pitre. I really wouldn't hate us picking 2xOT, 2xWR and 2xDL in this draft. This last draft there were some incredible pick ups later on like Doubs, so sod balance we have 3 obvious areas of need, let's just attack them. Gotta hope at least a couple of guys hit and you improve a couple of areas.

Winfrey's issue is obviously between the ears. I was looking at him for the Jets but I think the mental issues knocked him off our board. Undeniable talent though.

Would Winfrey really fit the Chiefs scheme? I thought you guys ran a base 3 4? For some reason I thought Winfrey more fit a 4 3/4 2 scheme. I could be wrong though.

We haven't ran a 3-4 base since Spags came on board. We primarily run a 4-2.

:thumb:

We picked Joshua Williams in front of this guy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tariq Woolen through week 6:<br><br>• 4 interceptions<br>• 5 passes defensed<br>• 38.6 passer rating allowed<br><br>The Seahawks found themselves a STUD in their rookie corner �� <a href="https://t.co/RgyvHdWdtQ">pic.twitter.com/RgyvHdWdtQ</a></p>&mdash; NFL Rookie Watch (@NFLRookieWatxh) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1582434137620652034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He has 4x as many interceptions as our entire team

Tariq Woolen is good but so is Jaylen Watson and we got him in the 7th rd

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lowest completion rates allowed among rookie CBs this season:<br><br>1️⃣ Sauce Gardner: 50%<br>2️⃣ Jaylen Watson: 54%<br>3️⃣ Tariq Woolen: 55% <a href="https://t.co/agg55bIq1f">pic.twitter.com/agg55bIq1f</a></p>&mdash; PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1580288948630261761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Think this was probably before the Bills game to be fair.

It's a very good CB class to be fair. As a Jets fan I'm stoked with Sauce, apart from his stellar play he's also a huge character. Will make a lot of $ in the league and from it in endorsements.

Ugh could've had Jaylen Watson in the 4th too!!

:cuss:

This place is so ****ing stupid.

Watson wasn't that bad. Bootle was terrible and Williams had a rough outing though.

I REALLY liked Tariq Woolen.

Woolen vs. Williams was the source of my hatred for Pest. We got along great until he backed a lame horse and demonstrated that he simply can't recognize an obvious thoroughbred.

Yeah - thought I drafted him in the CP Mock.

Took him 69th overall to the Jets.

Woolen has so damn many tools the only concern with him was his transition to the next level since he started college as an offensive player.

And he's taken to it immediately.

He's gonna be really good for a really long time, IMO.

My starting point post-draft is just to say "did this guy improve us" - and obviously that's not a question you can always answer early. Whenever I play the "who did I choose at that pick" I drive myself nuts. Still pissed about missing Travis Jones. It's always frsutrating when another team picks up "your guy".

Woolen's production is way above expectation. I think if you dig into it a bit he still has some signficant holes in his game, but to be fair at this stage its obviously a home-run selection.

Well yeah - I would hope so.

I mean guys spend 4 years in college playing DB and still have holes in their game when they get to the next level. Trent McDuffie isn't even a finished product and his readiness was never in question.

Woolen is a guy who transitioned to defense as a senior. Of course he's gonna have holes in his game - but it's like pitchers throwing 100 mph. When you have those kinds of tools, you don't have to be quite as precise with your command; you don't need to be as polished when it's hard to square up your misses.

Woolen can take a false step but he's so fast and so long, he can get away with it still. And if he ever files those horns a bit, he's gonna be a legitimate lock-down guy.

You know who's REALLY been crazy good? Jack Jones for the Patriots. He was a surprise 4th rounder (another guy I got in the CP Mock, IIRC). I think he's the kid who got tossed from USC for disciplinary issues - the one who hurt his ankles jumping from a chicks balcony when the cops showed up. Had to transfer to USC and he's balled out.

He's the kind of guy who really surprises me because he hit the ground in the NFL looking FAR more polished than he looked at Arizona State.

Seems like something about Belichick’s scheme helps DBs though. JC Jackson left NE and suddenly looks pedestrian in LA, and I don’t think that’s the only example of DBs doing poorly elsewhere.

Sam Williams looking like he'd have been a great pick.

{weeps}

Sam Williams was my favorite pass rushing prospect. I hope we draft a guy like him next year

Had a hell of a day yesterday /sadface

•2 sacks
•3 Tackles
•1 FF
•1 FR

Thankfully we got that third safe..........:huh:

Was my pick in my "What I'd do" thread.

I just didn't understand him sliding. He clearly had 1st round tools and when I looked into the 'character flags' they just seemed awfully far in his rearview. And with the tools he ALSO had 1st round production from the SEC and an incredible pedigree.

It just didn't make any sense to me that this guy wasn't going to be a top 50 player.

Boy - it sure would be nice looking at him and Karlaftis at DE on this roster for the next several years and just being comfortable that we'll be solid there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cowboys rookie DE Sam Williams is still nowhere near his developmental ceiling, and that is what excites team most. His 14 defensive snaps in Sunday&#39;s win over Lions included his first two career NFL sacks with a body slam (no penalty) in between. <a href="https://t.co/ilZevnzBAu">pic.twitter.com/ilZevnzBAu</a></p>&mdash; Michael Gehlken (@GehlkenNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/GehlkenNFL/status/1584540472584073218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The good news is that I got him for 5 years at a bargain price in Sandbox...

Looking forward to the next half decade with him and Myles Garrett at DE.

(Why don't you have a Sandbox squad, BTW - you'd enjoy it)

How do I get involved?

https://sandboxsimulations.com/

Click 'play now' and I think you should be in good shape. Not sure what you'd need to do to get a team in Chiefs1 but I know there are a couple dormant teams available. Aberdeen, Crown Point and Jonesboro are all teams presently showing as available for 'adoption' in League 1. Crown Point was really competitive 2 years ago and has a decent QB situation w/ Cousins under contract for a couple more years. Aberdeen has Winston...eh. Jonesboro has Hurts and Fields but needs a lot of work at the skill position.

CD or maybe Rainman can probably get you directly into one of those teams if you wanted to do that instead of jump into a different squad in one of the later leagues that surfaced and don't have many CP members.

It's hard for me to whinge because with those 2nd and 3rd picks I was very happy with Karlaftis and Moore. I get it for those who weren't a fan of Moore. Here's the question, from what you've seen and if you had that 30 pick again, do you go with Karlaftis OR Williams...

But...I can have BOTH.

Because if the question is Karlaftis or Moore, it ain't even worth asking.

With Andy and Pat here, we can obviously turn whatever WR's into good players (JJSS,MVS,Hardman,insert WR) so stop spending resources on guys who aren't super high upside.

McDuffie looks like a blue chipper
Karlaftis looks like he's taken a Hell of a jump and could be a blue chipper
Chenal has been an excellent value at LB
Skyy made some key plays including a TD
Watson stamped a mother****er and played well
Josh Williams has been a competent starter
Pacheco is ****ing good

This draft class showed up again yesterday. It's looking like it could be the best class in franchise history

Yeah, they are really coming on. I thought Skyy really played well yesterday.

But the 2017 draft will always be the best in franchise history because well......we know.

Yes Chris is playing elite football but if you get the chance for another draft like this I gotta think you take it.

It's so hard to keep the roster this good with limited resources

Well sure, but there's a reason drafts like that are rare.

You keep elite players and draft around them. It's alot easier.

I believe there's still a team available in Chiefs1...

McDuffie - agree, he's our slot guy/ match up on WRs that aren't Mike Williams' size
Karlaftis - OK so far, looked better week 2 as well.
Moore - still time but I've lowered expectations
Chenal - Stud. Impressed by his development. I love the pick.
Williams - Not sure what he'll become. Useful rotation probably? Fine for a 4th rounder
Kinnard - Bum
Watson - Great for a 7th rounder
Pacheco - Valuable starter and great pick
Nazeeh Johnson - already a great gunner, could become more.

uh Karlaftis looked fantastic week 1, too.

I love Willie Gay - his energy and the explosion he shows out there is awfully rare.

But man, you could get everything he brings, though used more situationally, in a Chenal/Tranquil duo pretty easily.

Seems like he's likely one of the odd men out come extension time.

He's gone. He still flashes but I don't think it's enough to get paid, especially if Tranquil picks up better in coverage.

Tranquil is just here for a year though. So you're gonna have to do something there.

Once the team started putting effort into the LB position, they've damn near batted 1.000.

Gay over Wilson appears to be a minor miss, but we're still getting good LBs on the 2nd and 3rd day. Contributors if nothing else.

If you can run Bolton/Leo as your top two guys, you can cut some corners on LB3. And thus far Tranquill hasn't done anything to build his market past where it was last off-season - he can be retained for another year relatively cheaply in all likelihood.

Gotta go cheap in places and Bolton's intelligence combined with Chenal's athleticism makes LB3 a pretty obvious spot.

I wonder if Cam Jones has anything in him moving forward. He’s looked good when he’s out there.

As a maybe limited role stuffer I think he could be pretty useful. It was a shame Isaiah Moore got injured as I thought he could be a better version. I honestly think Cole Christiansen could do a job too

Poverty Bolton.

I mean don't get me wrong, I thought he'd get drafted (may a have even taken him in the CP Mock; I know I considered it in the 6th/7th) but I see him as more of a solid reserve than anything because I don't see anywhere that he's truly good.

Not powerful enough to be a 2 down backer, not athletic enough to be a 3rd down guy. He's just a lesser version of essentially everything Bolton does. And that's not really a starting caliber player, IMO.