Not a chance in hell i believe you hang out with people who use the word ****a.

Now you're just lying.

I say it all the time. I say it around my black friends. Hispanic friends. They say it to me.

/shrug

No, you're just a ****ing moron who doesn't understand the difference. Or chose to ignore the difference. Either way, it was a stupid thing to say.

It's not the same word. It's not the same word at all. The words have entirely different purposes. If you don't understand this, that's ok. Maybe you didn't grow up with it. But i did. And im telling you, so maybe just listen?

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I understand there are different definitions for the word but to act like every white person gets a pass and can just drop that word if it ends in an A is complete ignorance.

****ing Logic doesn't even use it and in the one song I know of he did use it when he colab'd with Eminem, cant remember the songs name, you can go watch reaction videos to it on the internet where black people paused the song and thought about it for a few seconds before they realized he was mixed and gave it a pass.

Maybe your crew lets you say it. But no... There are plenty of black people out there that would not take offense to it like Tyler the Creator, but it's not a safe word.

Um, so lack of enunciation changes words entirely?

So, if someone is screaming and crying that they need an amberlamps, I shouldn't call an ambulance?

If someone overdosed on her-ron, I suspect that maybe it's a bird...but definitely not heroin. So definitely not grabbing narcan. It's a different word with a different meaning. Because someone doesn't care to enunciate.

Y'know.

Linguistics.

*slaps forehead*

But WE are the "****ing morons" in this equation, Molitoth.

Somehow.

Yeah, musicians don't ever hang out with a multitude of people from different backgrounds, races, classes, nationalities, religious/sexual/gender orientations, etc.

Yeah, Molitoth. You're just lying.

Kelce and Butker are the only good white players on the team. So I’d say chiefs fans being racist doesn’t make sense

I don't really understand how that word has so much power, either for someone saying, it, or more importantly lately, someone else accusing another of using it, even if they didn't at all.

There were many here talking about wanting cheffers to die, and any other variant of unfortunate afflictions, and that was taken as completely acceptable, but one person says they heard this word while leaving the field and it brings up a hell of a lot of "say it ain't so's", and "can't be true's" while wishing death is taken in stride.

Seems to me a lot of people would be better off, victim and accused alike, when that word just becomes an word like all the rest of them, and not a weapon of mass destruction.

Dumb post. Sorry, i can't help ya'll if you don't want to listen. Just keep posting dumb shit i guess.

Keep pretending like you understand cultures that you don't and saying stupid shit like "black people call each other the 'N-word' all the time".

What I was trying to say is the "N-word" coming from the crowd very easily could have been coming from a person with black skin and pronouncing it ending in an "a".

But lets stereotype, and assume it was some fat white drunk hillbilly who just spent a ton of money on a football team with majority black players to sit in the middle of a very diverse crowd and yell the N-Word because he is racist.

yeah, that happened...

Making music has nothing to do with any of that. Another shit post.

Sure. It's possible. I'd argue if that were the case then the word would've been pronounced with a "ga" rather than an "er", because AGAIN, they are different words. Pretty hard to mishear "ga" vs "er"

But that's not the post i was commenting on.

As far as this arrowhead instance in concerned, my money is on someone using a word that ends in "er" and the player simply being mistaken.

Considering the context of the situation, it's not out of the realm of possibilty that a word like "rigger" was in fact used and misheard.

Who would use THAT word as their safe word? ROFL

When people say things like, "I want cheffers to die", it's rarely taken literally. I think it's universally understood that no one really WANTS him to die.

A word like "****er" is much more direct in its purpose.

I didn't say that.

Well you are certainly coming off like its just a chill word for white people to use like saying your friends give you a pass and posting videos "Let white people say the N word."

You can sit there and say there's different definitions to the words ending, and I can also sit here and say no matter how it ends out of a white persons mouth to the majority of black people it's not going to make a difference.

Since your friends give you a pass, do you then walk around to random black people and say, "What's up, my ****a?"

My apologies for getting rattled with you, I think in the end I understand the "n-word" as ending in "er" and "gga"... you know why? Because as a white guy I cannot say either.

So... if YOU'RE definition of "The N-word" is only the version that ends in "er", then I think we can agree on things.

But I think the different interpretations of what the "N-word" is to each of us is why we are arguing here.

The reason is the power it's given :

Some people view it as an excuse to not control their behavior, as in "he n-worded at me so I shot him because of feelings. Raysussism. Pity me because my great-great grandmother got sold by her own people for a bag of suger and a bottle of West Indies rum."

Even though slavery still exists in the Middle East and Africa today...no one gives a SHIT about THOSE black people.

Others, view it as a badge of their own inherent virtue, as if the very thought of addressing someone in such a manner bothers them to their core so much it's almost sickening...

And then there's people like me, who understand that there are two different words with two different meanings :

Negro, which comes from the latin "negra", meaning "dark." A Negro is a dark-skinned person. A Mulatto is someone born to one dark-skinned and one light-skinned parent.

The word '****ardly' comes from Greek origins, and it means simply to be sneaky, shady and untoward in dealings with others, to attempt to steal in an obvious manner.

They got combined.

It's not "good" or "bad". It just...is.


People don't even know what words mean.

They call people "racist" and can't even ****ing define the term.

It's a joke. Racism is a social constuct designed to keep people seperated and to keep the 1% in power, which is why I don't believe in it, and say whatever to whoever I want. Period.

I don't call my black friends the hard-r version for the same reason I don't call the women in my life "whore" or "bitch" - I don't like to make people feel bad.

Doesn't mean I haven't done those things. The worst things I've ever done, the most hurtful things I've ever done...have been some of the things I've said. And if I'm REALLY pissed and filtering shit through my trauma...I'll say the most hateful things. It's probably my most toxic trait.

But calling someone the "hard-r version" when I'm straight up triggered and trauma responding doesn't make me a racist, any more than calling my ex-wife a dizzy **** makes me a misogynist.

Context absolutely matters, and people also need to know what words mean.

I wonder if Detoxing can give us definitions on the "hard-r version" and the "soft a version"?

Right.

I mean, between my multicultural studies certification with a ****ing 3.8 that places me on the MU SOCIOLOGY A&S DEAN'S LIST and the black girl who I was hanging out with last night...I should probably listen to you. You are the authority. What the **** was I thinking?

I posted the video because it's funny. Lighten up.

As far as the word usage is concerned, you and your friends either talk like that or you don't. You either have that vocabulary and slur/slang or you don't. You either talk like you're hood or you don't. If you don't talk like that normally, then using the word "****a" is gonna sound forced.

I use the word. Not in regularity, but when it's suitable. Because when im kickin' it with homies, smoking, drinking, watching the game...it just rolls off. No one forces it. Everyone talks like that. So it's just a natural word in the natural flow of a conversation amongst friends. It's not awkward. It's not forced. There's no "er" because again, that's a different word with a different meaning.

I would never approach some black dude in a super market and say, "excuse me, ****a, can i slip in front of you and grab some cheese?".

$10 beer.

Just making sure the fan got his beer back. :thumb:

This thread has jumped the shark.

Throwing stuff at the wrong party.

The Raiders didn't throw the flag.

He's nicer than Davante Adams.

And that beer was probably $12.

Neither did the refs when Chris Jones got that big beautiful chocolate hog of his molestered by the Raiders Oline and everyone saw it.

Shoulda called the Po-leeze and report a sexual assault.

Totally. Glad we could come to an understanding. Yes, when i see "The N-Word" (LMAO) im referencing the "er". I don't see any reason to filter "****a" as it's not a bad word.

Well, neither would I.

I don't use that word in front of people I don't know.

There's a list of those.

The same list is probably all the words I'd use to describe the Raiders though :shrug:

**** the Raiders.

But you just said if you said it to a stranger in a store, it's no longer acceptable.

Look, pointing out the hipocrisy in his ideology is either going to just piss him off and make him call your names or make his head hurt.

People who have it all already figured out don't like to think. They only pretend to be open-minded. The cognitive dissonance makes their heads hurt.

Actually, I wasn't calling him out. I'm genuinely confused by the logic.

Totally.

Raiders fans weren't known for nice behavior during their home games in Oakland or Los Angeles. They had the worst fans in the league regarding fan behavior during games.

You have a stadium full of 80,000 people. Yes, there's going to be some racists in the audience. Guess what, there were probably many wife beaters and child molesters in the audience too. Out of 80,000 people, you'll have some bad seeds.

It's not a bad word though. Let it fly.

So the word itself is NOT okay? You said if you end it with an A, it's not a bad word. But then simultaneously said you can't say it to a rando in the store.

Because there is no actual logic.

It's based on feelings, which change and are often illogical.

#facts

Fair enough.

You should sing out loud as you walk down the street then.

Detoxing should sing the Wu-Tang song "Shame On A ****a" as you walk down the street.

On Prospect.

Don't know whose point I'm making here but you should listen to ceelo green "**** you"

The lyrics have it with "A" but gold digger clearly has an 'er' and the word in question sounds the same when sung.

I think a lot of it also has to do with HOW you speak. Does it sound like a word you use regularly or not? Does it sound forced? Yes? Then why are you forcing it? Just say, "bro". "Dude". Because that's how you speak. If you're going out of your way to use a word that's clearly not part of your natural vocab then it's going to beg the question, "why?"

For most white people it's going to be a big "NOT". It would effect someone's interpretation of your usage. Are you using that word to sarcastically troll me because you think you're funny, or is this how you actually speak?

People aren't stupid. They can tell the difference.

Rabblerouser could never get away with it. I bet he talks like some white country boy. He would come off as mocking, which would be interpreted as racist. You don't talk like that normally, so why you talking to some black dude like that?

When we're chillin we don't use the word frequently. It's used as it comes. And it's pronounced the way it should be. It works with our dialect. Because we talk like we're hood. Because we are, that's how we grew up.

But im hispanic and i hang out with mostly hispanics these days. We use foo' a lot more than ****a, the occasional ****a gets used if it applies.

But if you walk up to the wrong hispanic and say, "what up foo' ", well those are fighting words now. Again, it changes.

Intent of usage makes all the difference. And you can't control someone else's interpretation of intent, so its best to just avoid it.

Also, no stranger is ever going to be your ****a, so again, it makes no damn sense. Even if the guy you're speaking too isn't offended by the word, you aint his ****a so he's gonna be like, "who dafuq is this?"

That ALONE makes it forced. It's not even the proper usage.

****a, shut the **** up. Like i said, you can either listen and understand or you can go around mocking blacks as you've always done here.

No one asked you to like it or agree with it. I'm telling you how it is.

Who knew Rabble and BRC were brothers?

Creed Humphrey says hi

Sorry i missed this.

Let me go ahead and give it the LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO it deserves.

"Multicultural studies certification" BWAHAHAHAHA

Say that "a" version to a black person, and film their response you'll find how acceptable it is when you wake up from a coma after being beat up.

I have many times. My roommates fresh outta HS were black. I grew up around black kids, lol. I grew up around black gang members. I have friends from Skyline Piru. Shit, i still buy weed off them sometimes. My closest friends from elementary through early adult hood have been black.

You think this is some sort of gotcha. Lol, it's not.

I know how to use it. I use it. I know when it's acceptable and when it isn't.

Kind of ironic given the source.

How many times has that guy probably ragged on liberal arts degrees and shit in DC?

:facepalm:

This thread.

LOL, again do it to a r blackandom person instead. I've been around black people too, that's one line you don't cross.


That's a Darwin Award nominee material

The Kanye West song "Gold Digger" rhymes digger with "****a" about 150 times. Or more.

But they're totally different words. With different meanings. Some guy who posts as Detoxing on the internet says so.

I mean, have you read my posts at all? Or are you just trying to butt in and talk shit?

But now you're talking about parsing intent. Seems like the correct answer is to just not use a word AT ALL if it's up to such a complicated and subjective interpretation.

It's not me who says so. It's the rest of the country. You're just too spiteful to figure it out.

You trying to circle the wagon because two words rhyme is some ****ing dumb shit.

Yeah, that's what i said.

It's advice for survival. I had the same conversation with a family member who grew with black people in the 60's and 70's. He said the direct opposite , never ever say that

Again, have you read my posts at all? Lol. I thought i was pretty clear.

I type a lot, so i don't blame you if you didn't. But ive covered this already.

Find em and post em.

I dare ya.

This is pretty simple for me. If your friends are giving you a pass and you want to use the word in their presence as some kind of comradary, more power to you. But if you are unwilling to use the word in public with random people because you fear the consequences then you know it's not a non-bad word. So I'm not sure what the whole purpose is behind the whole "a" vs "er" argument.

I've been called "****a" many times in my life. "What's up ****a" is common lingo. I usually respond with a "what's up foo" because again, that's how i talk. Like a ****ing mexican. Though ive been around plenty of cholos who use ****a regularly.

I use ****a sometimes. And when i do no blacks and no mexicans look at me funny. No one stops and goes, "OH MY GOSH!". It doesn't even garner a second thought.

It's quite different using it around your homies than some random stranger for reasons i've already spent too much time hashing out.

What's so funny?

Sociology major
Double minor in History and Psychology
With dual certifications in addictive behaviors and...multicultural studies.


Here, I wrote this, last semester. Got an A, from my black professor, might I add, for a term paper about how neo-liberal policies perpetuate a cycle of systemic racism that targets young Hispanc and black men that begins in school (or before, even) via the school to prison pipeline :
https://we.tl/t-ESiZOvP9Ra

I use Oakland as an example (the class was Urban Sociology)

Check it out. It's decent. Accurate. Facts check out.

****a, Please (great ODB album btw, not as good as his first) I wasn't making fun of blacks, what I was doing was pointing out the inanity of your argument about "they're different words" and "I never say ****a at the grocery store to random people, but there's nothing wrong with it" bullshit justification for making yourself feel better...but it flew right over your head.

As it has always done with you around here.

You don't understand, and you don't think. You reflexively attack with your rhetoric and feelings what doesn't fit into what you have been conditioned to believe.

That's not MY ****ing problem.

My family member was called a white n-bomb by his friends who he grew up with since elementary school. This was during segregation too, and still he never used that slur. A friend of his who he played football with was Drew Pearson's roommate at Tulsa university on a football scholarship.

Because context and interpretation matter.

I'm miffed as to why this needs explaining. I guess it's the difference in where and how and with whom we grew up.

Go ask a black person if they feel differently about being called a ****a vs ****er and see what they say.

Very, very different connotations.

I'm miffed that you dont understand the rational reasoning that separates humans from animals that lets us process what's right and wrong, good and bad, and to come to a logical conclusion to not use a certain word.

I just want to point out that many of the same people that defend Adams in the media and on social media were doing some serious pearl clutching with this one:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another angle of the fan pushing Kyle Lowry <a href="https://twitter.com/NBATV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NBATV</a> <a href="https://t.co/NG6odI0kCp">pic.twitter.com/NG6odI0kCp</a></p>&mdash; CJ Fogler AKA Perc70 #BlackLivesMatter (@cjzero) <a href="https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1136495116254961665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's funny how people react differently when the races/roles are swapped, and this one is nowhere near as bad.

So now you're advocating saying "****a" to a rando as some sort of social test?

I thought you weren't supposed to do that?

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Thought this was interesting and relevant to the current discussion:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alvin Kamara a legend for this. <a href="https://t.co/uX8cVrAF9M">pic.twitter.com/uX8cVrAF9M</a></p>&mdash; b♡ (@yohawkgawk) <a href="https://twitter.com/yohawkgawk/status/1580020779592601601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

White kid DMs Kamara "good game ****a", and Kamara exposes him for use of the word.

The narrative I'm seeing is that "Kama trolls racist troll".

A word that's culturally accepted and widely used, and widely understood, except among older white men who still think it's synonymous with ****er.

No one is asking you to use the word. Honestly, you probably couldn't use it anyway. Like i said, you either talk like that because you're from it or you're not.

But yes, black people just like being racist towards each other. That's it. Surely.

Culturally accepted between people of the same race. How the **** do you not understand this?

I dont have to go into a store and wonder if someone is going to punch me in the face if I say, "Excuse me sir, do you mind if I slide in to get some cheese?" Why? Because at no point in that sentence did I use a term that is socially unacceptable for me to use.

You seem to think that your group of friends, however many that is, speak for the entire ****ing world. It's ignorance.

This conversation is well past its expiration date, we're just spinning in circles now.

It's weird for you and your friends, it's not for me and mine. Moving on.

It's weird for the majority of society outside of your bubble. I have no idea if my friends would be cool if I used the word, because I've never ****ing asked.

Stop the cap. You were in Pat's thread claiming he wasn't his child's father because she's super light-skinned lol

Anyone who's spent time around black folk knows genes can lead to a lot of different skin color, eye color, hair texture combinations.

Nah, I'm not gonna bother going through.

Still funny though.

Yeah i had biggo post explaining exactly this.

Kamara says it right there. "Do you actually talk like this"

White kid, "no it's not part of my vocabulary".

If you aint hood, and you don't talk hood, you don't look hood, then you're purposely using the word BECAUSE he's black. No shit that's gonna be called racist.

Ok, well my bubble is the bubble that actually uses the word with regularity. So don't bother telling me how it should and shouldn't be used.

I've never told you how it should or shouldnt be used once. You have decided that for yourself multiple times while talking about it.

Yeah, and I wouldn't ever say that to a black person on the street. It's my opinion, it doesn't mean I don't know etiquette when talking to a random person.

Have you ever been to a game? I hope that's sarcasm.

You know, I find something interesting in this.

I speak German as well as English and am familiar with other languages. Many of those languages have proper pronouns and they're specifically used for people of status or people you don't know.

Perhaps we're just too comfortable with being "friendly" to strangers instead of being respectful and polite.

The original conversation was regarding the difference between "er" and "ga".

No idea what we're even talking about at this point.

That you don't like the "ga" version because it makes you uncomfortable? Because coming from an older white guy it's never going to sound right?

Ok.

And here in SoCal the word isn't nearly as big of a deal and is more or less just a part of modern street slang.

Fact is the word is used with high regularity with no offense taken. If that makes you feel some type of way i don't know what to say.

The entire point is ****er and ****a are two very different words with very different meanings amongst those who use them.