Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16586897)

Only two of those offenses scored more than 24 points against our defense.

Only one team has scored more than 29 points.


What are you, blind?

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16587314)

so you're saying 24+ and 29+ are good performances?


and youre going by last years offensive numbers?


buffalo beat us..SF lost their starting QB...TB is trash this year...LVR is trash this year...LAC is trash this year..AZ has what , 3 wins?



Im not sold yet. How bout we go by THIS years results.? I mean you can tell yourself that these teams that were ok in 2021 are "high powered" now... but on your list only BUF remains, in my mind. Maybe SF....
Sorry i need to see alot more than barely beating a 1 dimensional team like the Titans before I am cock strutting about spags D. We finally have the personnel. So if he doesnt execute its on him.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 16587353)

11ish.

What the hell happened to our screen game? IMHO, screens would have helped us a great deal against the Flaming Tacks. In fact, the Tacks have the kind of defense that would have a mental breakdown once you effectively attack them horizontally.

Since I blame him for all kinds of stuff, I blame EB.

FAX THE COMPLAINANT

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16587314)

We finally have the personnel. So if he doesnt execute its on him.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16587612)

McDuffie has played exactly one full game. The other guys are rookies. The defensive line is woefully understaffed.

To say he has the personnel is being disingenuous a bit.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16585355)

There were plenty of times he had a pocket and dropped his head.

He wasn't on his game last night. But he's a great player so he kept shooting. That's fine and it's something the best will do.

But he was surprisingly shakey for most of the night considering he was responsible for 500 yards of offense. He missed a LOT of guys out there. That FG in OT came after he missed a walk-in TD to JJSS on a skinny post right before the 4th down conversion. He missed Hardman several times and he seemed to get into that 'wait wait wait' mode when it came to taking his underneath guys, especially his check downs.

He had a bulldog night; one of those nights where an elite pitcher doesn't have his stuff but battles through for 6 innings and 2 earned to give you a chance to win the game. But unlike a pitcher, the person he gave the chance to win was him.

But for all the credit Mahomes will get, it was the defense that saved our ass. That D was exceptional. The 2nd half+ shutout will get all the credit, but man, they were actually pretty damn good from from the 55 yard run by Henry onward.

Mahomes didn't have an A game at all. But it's worth giving him (and the team writ large) credit in that a C- game for him ended up being good enough to beat a quality opponent.

Throw the ball 60+ times and there are going to be pressures, but apart from a couple of pressures up the gut that Smith surrendered (man he's off), PM had decent time on several occasions and just wasn't seeing the field as well as he usually does.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 16587353)

11ish.

What the hell happened to our screen game? IMHO, screens would have helped us a great deal against the Flaming Tacks. In fact, the Tacks have the kind of defense that would have a mental breakdown once you effectively attack them horizontally.

Since I blame him for all kinds of stuff, I blame EB.

FAX THE COMPLAINANT

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16586099)

That play was designed for Smiths strengths and he lost the rep anyway. He has probably 80 lbs on Cunningham and got stood up. Gotta win that rep, man.

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 16586150)

Without reading the replies yet...

Kelce was off last night. That is uncharacteristic and I don't expect we'll that again this year.
When should we expect to see some sacks from Karlaftis?
When should we expect to see some yards and touchdowns from Skyy?

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16586299)

Meh, the 30th pick is not going to get you an elite pass-rusher 99% of the time. Basically it was like a second round pick.

Obviously he needs to keep working on his skills, and let's remember that he didn't come into the league in NFL shape.

Next season, after a full NFL training program and diet program, I'm sure he'll be a lot better. I wouldn't bd surprised if we found out that he takes some kind of training for his flexibility as well during the offseason.

Now, if he comes into next season and he's no better than he is right now, I'll be concerned.

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16585131)

Cris Collinsworth was praising Wylie last night multiple times.

That's some Bizarro World shit right there.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16585106)

We need to overhaul our RB room in the offseason including getting a RB coach who was an actual RB not a WR. Hopefully Niang can play in the next week or so.

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 16587741)

As much as I agree that could have something to do with it, you have to remember that our OC was a RB. It just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16585355)

There were plenty of times he had a pocket and dropped his head.

He wasn't on his game last night. But he's a great player so he kept shooting. That's fine and it's something the best will do.

But he was surprisingly shakey for most of the night considering he was responsible for 500 yards of offense. He missed a LOT of guys out there. That FG in OT came after he missed a walk-in TD to JJSS on a skinny post right before the 4th down conversion. He missed Hardman several times and he seemed to get into that 'wait wait wait' mode when it came to taking his underneath guys, especially his check downs.

He had a bulldog night; one of those nights where an elite pitcher doesn't have his stuff but battles through for 6 innings and 2 earned to give you a chance to win the game. But unlike a pitcher, the person he gave the chance to win was him.

But for all the credit Mahomes will get, it was the defense that saved our ass. That D was exceptional. The 2nd half+ shutout will get all the credit, but man, they were actually pretty damn good from from the 55 yard run by Henry onward.

Mahomes didn't have an A game at all. But it's worth giving him (and the team writ large) credit in that a C- game for him ended up being good enough to beat a quality opponent.

Throw the ball 60+ times and there are going to be pressures, but apart from a couple of pressures up the gut that Smith surrendered (man he's off), PM had decent time on several occasions and just wasn't seeing the field as well as he usually does.

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 16587752)

This is all true. I kept saying Mahomes seemed a little off during the game. And I don't think you could see on TV but I noticed at least 4-5 times where Mahomes could have thrown to Hardman and most of them would have probably resulted in TDs. You see that stuff at the stadium that you don't get to see on the TV broadcast. I went back and watched the TV broadcast yesterday and I see that they did actually point out the one post that he should have thrown to Hardman for a TD. I don't recall seeing Mahomes that hesitant since the AFC Championship game.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 16587774)

RE: Karlaftis. Why does CP have WDE expectations for a SDE? I consistently see George doing great things on the field, even if he isn't sacking the passer. He still gets pressure, gets good contain, and plays the run well.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16587337)

Just be prepared to eat a lot of crow when they prove you wrong. Again. :thumb:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16587612)

McDuffie has played exactly one full game. The other guys are rookies. The defensive line is woefully understaffed.

To say he has the personnel is being disingenuous a bit.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 16587353)

11ish.

What the hell happened to our screen game? IMHO, screens would have helped us a great deal against the Flaming Tacks. In fact, the Tacks have the kind of defense that would have a mental breakdown once you effectively attack them horizontally.

Since I blame him for all kinds of stuff, I blame EB.

FAX THE COMPLAINANT

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16587868)

well its kind of splitting hairs but mcduffie is a top pick. gay isnt a rookie and is now back. 2 years ago we had exactly 0 linebackers. Weve got good players at all 3 levels now


- clark, jones, maybe karlaftis improving (high pick)
-gay and bolton
- sneed & mcduffie (high pick)


I dont think its being disingenuous to say this is the deepest weve been at the 3 levels and this D has the most potential of any in the mahomes years...



So my expectations are high. If they dont achieve, theres 1 guy to blame.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16586289)

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO....

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 16587992)

That's a pretty narrow viewpoint. I mean, sure, in the end points are all that matter. And I've seen that argument made over and over regarding the defense. While true, it ignores a lot of factors. Keeping the ball and driving and accumulating a lot of yards actually helps your own defense.

Still, like you, I would hope that we can figure out how to score 30 points consistently. And frankly, I think this team will get that figured out. We tend to forget that we have several new receivers this year. It takes time. This team struggled through a dry spell on offense in the middle of the season last year, too. The difference was that last year's struggle was worse, IMO. We'll get it figured out, IMO.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16585747)

I'm doing my standard re-watch thing and really, the broadcast is telling me some of the same things I saw at the stadium.

Brown was fine. Hell, I think Brown was actually pretty good. He got beat by Mario Edwards pretty badly on that overthrow to Kelce and had a hand in one of those sacks, but by and large, he played a strong game. I think Thuney was our best OL (unsurprisingly) but I think OBJ was right there behind him.

Wylie was bad but fellas - Trey Smith was worse.

The combined effect of those two guys has hurt us badly all year. Folks keep wanting to get Wylie out of there and yeah, I get it. But man, Trey Smith is doing nobody any favors and when the right side of the line is just collapsing on any given play, it makes things awfully tough.

I think it's probably time to give Smith a break. If he's healthy, then he's mentally ****ed up and could use a re-set. If he's hurt even coming off a bye week, then he needs some time to rest and get healthy. Allegretti is a competent blocker and right now I have little doubt that he'd be better than Smith is playing.

Wylie, again, isn't an 'on an island' guy - he absolutely has to have credible help to his left. He's not getting it even a little bit and the combined weight of those two guys struggling is snowballing rather than being greater than the sum of their parts.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16594521)

Dunno how many of you read Seth Keysor's stuff on Substack, but he did a breakdown of the running game last week.

And man, Trey Smith got ****ing wrecked.

It seemed that way from the stadium. It sure seemed that way from the couch a day or two later, and a breakdown of the film pretty much closed the book on it.

Trey Smith has been a MAJOR problem this year. As bad as Wylie and far more damaging than Orlando Brown. If there were no long-term developmental problems arising from it and I could swap out one guy on this OL for an above average stand-in, it would be Smith. He's done more damage to this team than Wylie has.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16594523)

I'll just take his quick cited 'issue' from several of the runs rather than try to re-post the article (I believe it's paywalled):

Run 1: Issue - Blocking failed; Smith with an assist from Brown.
Run 2: Issue - Penalty on Smith
Run 3: Issue - Smith gets beat on his pull
Run 9: Smith gets beat.
Run 10: Smith loses another pull
Run 11: Smith whiffs in space


15 charted runs - 6 of them came apart because Smith didn't get the job done. That's just !@#$ing awful.

I really think they need to sit him. We can't keep sending him out there to die like this.