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BWillie 11-15-2022 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16607362)
Cordish's (P&L) four light is going up, too.

All well and good, but it's a Boston based company. It's like Blvd, owned by the Belgians.

I think the goal is to get as many people into downtown as possible ( new apartments in the last few years), but like you said, it will simply out price those who made the 'roads great to begin with.

I don't understand 1, 2, and 3 Light. Its all for rent. We need more for purchase apts downtown. Not throw away rent places.

stevieray 11-15-2022 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16607370)
I don't understand 1, 2, and 3 Light. Its all for rent. We need more for purchase apts downtown. Not throw away rent places.

All that money goes back to Boston.

BWillie 11-15-2022 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16607372)
All that money goes back to Boston.

If you give me an option to purchase an apt even dowtown..Im in. Rent? Id rather burn it in a Dumpster

Titty Meat 11-15-2022 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16607361)
KC Tenants should all be shot. Pieces of shit org

Thankfully I think what little momentum they had is gone

|Zach| 11-15-2022 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16607376)
Thankfully I think what little momentum they had is gone

They just got a pretty massive win for something they have been pushing for in this last election. I don't think this is true at all.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...268528747.html

Titty Meat 11-15-2022 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16607384)
They just got a pretty massive win for something they have been pushing for in this last election. I don't think this is true at all.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...268528747.html

Yeah sounds good but giving the KC government 50 mil lol might as well light it on fire would have same results. $600 is well below market value. What happens in a few years? Back to square one.

They thought they killed the MAC project it came back with 0 "affordable" units instead of the 100 originally planned. They've done this alot continue to kill projects where "affordable" units were thrown in.

BWillie 11-15-2022 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16607384)
They just got a pretty massive win for something they have been pushing for in this last election. I don't think this is true at all.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...268528747.html

I cant wait for every owner to vacate property from these places and then see what options renters have. A bunch of ****ing dumbasses

Titty Meat 11-15-2022 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16607392)
I cant wait for every owner to vacate property from these places and then see what options renters have. A bunch of ****ing dumbasses

They will take their business to JoCo making the values of properties in KC even more expensive so rent will go up even more. It's a self defeating group that has no concept of basic economics.

|Zach| 11-15-2022 10:43 PM

I get the dislike of KC Tenants some of their tactics are a little much but the balance of power has been leaning way too hard toward landlords. And I think movement to bring more balance to that so normal working people can afford places is needed.

I reject the idea that if we do anything but constantly suck the dick of property owners they will go somewhere else. Kansas City, MO continues to be on the upswing. People will do business here.

|Zach| 11-15-2022 10:46 PM

Eric Bunch in district 4 seems to be zeroing in on what I think is one of the biggest problems in regard to affordability in the area is Airbnb's being ****ing everywhere totally unregulated. It has taken so many places people can live long term off the map and hurt the housing supply issues.

KCUnited 11-15-2022 10:46 PM

My loft in the RM in 2000 was capped at $500/mo. I worked at a ****ing liquor store.

1200sq ft panty dropper for someone in their 20s.

Probably 5x that now or more.

|Zach| 11-15-2022 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16607406)
My loft in the RM in 2000 was capped at $500/mo. I worked at a ****ing liquor store.

1200sq ft panty dropper for someone in their 20s.

Probably 5x that now or more.

1200 for 500 bucks god damn. LMAO

Good times!

Titty Meat 11-15-2022 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16607405)
Eric Bunch in district 4 seems to be zeroing in on what I think is one of the biggest problems in regard to affordability in the area is Airbnb's being ****ing everywhere totally unregulated. It has taken so many places people can live long term off the map and hurt the housing supply issues.

A group I'm involved with is working with Eric on this issue. I haven't been his biggest fan but thus far he's done a good job working behind the scenes on this. Ultimately I don't see a vehicle for a long term solution that KC Tennants wants. The best is to continue to develop the urban core and have make deals with developers to include some affordable units but we can't just keep passing 50 mil here 50 mil there for affordable housing because like I asked what happens to those folks in a year or 2?

I don't support tax incentives for developers but the reality the new stadium will pass and all housing down around the stadium is going to be ridiculously priced. I won't be voting for the new stadium but people should realize that's what's going to come with the new stadium

KCUnited 11-15-2022 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16607411)
1200 for 500 bucks god damn. LMAO

Good times!

It was some type of program. If you qualified the 500 was locked in no matter if my income increased.

I qualified coming out of college and was in hog heaven. I had a hand me down couch and a bed in 1200 sq ft but it wasn't really sought after yet. My car got stolen within the first few months.

Bearcat 11-15-2022 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16607238)
So you can't get a room downtown and drive 6 miles to the sports complex and then back to your room and explore downtown.

It's 'fine', but it's pretty great to park at your hotel and then not see your car until you're ready to leave.... and I'm too old to go out and get trashed, but simply not worrying about having a drink or two, plus any rental car/parking/Lyft costs on top of getting to your hotel, etc.... it's nice.

-King- 11-15-2022 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 16607161)
tell me you don't go downtown without telling me you don't go downtown

Do YOU actually go downtown? Anyone who thinks downtown is some dangerous place or anything like that either has never been or is just scared of life in general.

|Zach| 11-15-2022 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16607431)
Do YOU actually go downtown? Anyone who thinks downtown is some dangerous place or anything like that either has never been or is just scared of life in general.

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Titty Meat 11-15-2022 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16607431)
Do YOU actually go downtown? Anyone who thinks downtown is some dangerous place or anything like that either has never been or is just scared of life in general.

Downtown isn't dangerous but there's certainly some situations you can put yourself in if you want to find trouble IE: the sideshows on 12th and Grand, The Daquiri Shop, etc.

|Zach| 11-15-2022 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16607418)
A group I'm involved with is working with Eric on this issue. I haven't been his biggest fan but thus far he's done a good job working behind the scenes on this. Ultimately I don't see a vehicle for a long term solution that KC Tennants wants. The best is to continue to develop the urban core and have make deals with developers to include some affordable units but we can't just keep passing 50 mil here 50 mil there for affordable housing because like I asked what happens to those folks in a year or 2?

I don't support tax incentives for developers but the reality the new stadium will pass and all housing down around the stadium is going to be ridiculously priced. I won't be voting for the new stadium but people should realize that's what's going to come with the new stadium

I think they are the sort of group that will never be happy but I think their activism is pulling the pendulum back in a way that is for the better.

Because that is politics right? Its not like KC Tenants get to say everyone should be able to live in a nice place for 400 a month and then that happens. But normal working people should be able to live in Kansas City on normal wages and for a lot of places that really is not the case.

I don't pretend to be an expert on all this stuff but I appreciate how much time Bunch has spent on the issue.

|Zach| 11-15-2022 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16607436)
Downtown isn't dangerous but there's certainly some situations you can put yourself in if you want to find trouble IE: the sideshows on 12th and Grand, The Daquiri Shop, etc.

I used to live right there on 12th and Grand. They were putting in some of those traffic obstructions around the time I was moving somewhere else I wonder if those have kept the sideshows from happening in that intersection. I imagine they have but also they pop up in other places so come what may.

Eleazar 11-15-2022 11:04 PM

AirBNB is such a scourge. They drive rents up, but they also turn buildings into hotels right out from under the people who live there. Ours had the foresight to ban them before too many got in, but others in the area saw their buildings turned into flophouses for drunk spring breakers and club goers every weekend. AirBnB should kill itself.

Eleazar 11-15-2022 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16607431)
Do YOU actually go downtown? Anyone who thinks downtown is some dangerous place or anything like that either has never been or is just scared of life in general.

KCs downtown is not scary by major city downtown standards imo. If you mainly frequent target parking lots in Olathe then yeah it’s a little more scary than that

Titty Meat 11-15-2022 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16607448)
I used to live right there on 12th and Grand. They were putting in some of those traffic obstructions around the time I was moving somewhere else I wonder if those have kept the sideshows from happening in that intersection. I imagine they have but also they pop up in other places so come what may.

They've still been going on in that area. Sounds like last week the cops finally ticketed and impounded some vehicles. Thank God not only are those ****ing things annoying those idiots will hit other cars and drive off or if you're this family they shoot you:
https://fox4kc.com/news/kc-men-at-si...g-to-hospital/

ChiefsCountry 11-15-2022 11:20 PM

Only time I felt uneasy downtown was when I went to the ATM at P&L took a bunch of cash and then walked down to Bazookas. Never know who saw me take the cash and go. Probably me just being paranoid.

Bearcat 11-15-2022 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by threebag (Post 16607132)
Plus more vagrants and homeless

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16607142)
Would be less...actually. downtown is very affluent

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 16607161)
tell me you don't go downtown without telling me you don't go downtown

I'm probably just too used to a Southwest US level of homelessness, but I mean.... are there any homeless people in downtown KC?

Then again, I walked by these couple blocks the other day on the way to overpriced restaurants two blocks away, so probably just not paying attention to one dude on the corner after a concert at TMobile Center, heh.


https://i.imgur.com/diLobuz.png

|Zach| 11-15-2022 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16607501)
I'm probably just too used to a Southwest US level of homelessness, but I mean.... are there any homeless people in downtown KC?

Then again, I walked by these couple blocks the other day on the way to overpriced restaurants two blocks away, so probably just not paying attention to one dude on the corner after a concert at TMobile Center, heh.


https://i.imgur.com/diLobuz.png

It is nothing like the problem is in other areas. Lots of people who are wondering around but they really do not bother many people it is more awkward than anything.

Actual camps come and go but are pretty out of the way for the most part.

wazu 11-15-2022 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16607487)
Only time I felt uneasy downtown was when I went to the ATM at P&L took a bunch of cash and then walked down to Bazookas. Never know who saw me take the cash and go. Probably me just being paranoid.

Sounds like you were pretty brave to soldier on the way you did.

Bearcat 11-15-2022 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16607512)
It is nothing like the problem is in other areas. Lots of people who are wondering around but they really do not bother many people it is more awkward than anything.

Actual camps come and go but are pretty out of the way for the most part.

The other afternoon I walked by a homeless guy who was screaming racial slurs and obscenities at someone who probably didn't let them use the restroom or something dumb... dude backed off the sidewalk to let me pass and just kept screaming as he walked backwards across a fairly busy street.

And one night last week some homeless guy who I've walked past in the same spot several times was clearly pissed off at Jersey Mike's, because he kicked the glass door so hard I'm surprised he didn't break shit.... yelled something, then walked by me like it never happened.

So, I feel like KC is fine. LMAO

|Zach| 11-15-2022 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16607521)
The other afternoon I walked by a homeless guy who was screaming racial slurs and obscenities at someone who probably didn't let them use the restroom or something dumb... dude backed off the sidewalk to let me pass and just kept screaming as he walked backwards across a fairly busy street.

And one night last week some homeless guy who I've walked past in the same spot several times was clearly pissed off at Jersey Mike's, because he kicked the glass door so hard I'm surprised he didn't break shit.... yelled something, then walked by me like it never happened.

So, I feel like KC is fine. LMAO

Guy did not even know you are a Chiefs Planet mod and are perfectly suited to deal with this situation. For you it is just a Tuesday.

Prison Bitch 11-16-2022 12:01 AM

Me taking my seat at the new K

https://64.media.tumblr.com/054c6955...o3_r1_540.gifv

BWillie 11-16-2022 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16607452)
AirBNB is such a scourge. They drive rents up, but they also turn buildings into hotels right out from under the people who live there. Ours had the foresight to ban them before too many got in, but others in the area saw their buildings turned into flophouses for drunk spring breakers and club goers every weekend. AirBnB should kill itself.

Air bnbs are awesome. Have saved me probably ten thousand dollars since i travel alot. There are too many rules in place to ban them already. Free market, dont like em, buy and make one. Why should hotels be the only ones who can make a buck off travelers?

SuperBowl4 11-16-2022 03:21 AM

No way this will happen

|Zach| 11-16-2022 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4 (Post 16607603)
No way this will happen

What makes you say that? It has been obvious this will happen for a while.

George Liquor 11-16-2022 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16607521)
The other afternoon I walked by a homeless guy who was screaming racial slurs and obscenities at someone who probably didn't let them use the restroom or something dumb... dude backed off the sidewalk to let me pass and just kept screaming as he walked backwards across a fairly busy street.

And one night last week some homeless guy who I've walked past in the same spot several times was clearly pissed off at Jersey Mike's, because he kicked the glass door so hard I'm surprised he didn't break shit.... yelled something, then walked by me like it never happened.

So, I feel like KC is fine. LMAO

They call that "progress".

Molitoth 11-16-2022 08:01 AM

My opinion on the Royals Statement: (In regards to some of the questions in this thread)

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"We are excited to share that we have several leading locations under close consideration, both in downtown KC and close to it."
There may be a couple of options that are not what the fanbase expects. "close" can be a relative term. Don't get your panties in too much of a twist over downtown parking until the decision is final. The Royals have stated they are listening to the fanbase, and the downtown parking/traffic issue might be one that enough critisicm deters them from chosing.

Quote:

"the NFL draft, the KC Current's new stadium, the World Cup - and much more yet ahead. These developments, along with a new KCI airport terminal, are transforming our region."
I would not take this quote lightly. I would think the Royals have the resources and planning to make a new complex live by 2026 (World Cup). Perhaps that is aggressive, but one would think that is the goal.


Are the Chiefs interested in the property at Truman Sports Complex?

It would be very easy to think that obviously the Chiefs are interested and have plans to improve upon the Gameday experience at Arrowhead.

Eleazar 11-16-2022 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 16607720)
Now that this has been announced:
Take this info for what it's worth... coming from me it's probably not worth much. ;)


Are you suggesting the Chiefs will be playing in a new stadium by 2026?

Bearcat 11-16-2022 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16607529)
Guy did not even know you are a Chiefs Planet mod and are perfectly suited to deal with this situation. For you it is just a Tuesday.

My threats of romper rooming or banning him seemed to fall on deaf ears, but my improvised word filter of screaming ducking bitters seemed to be fairly effective.

Molitoth 11-16-2022 08:20 AM

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Imagine if they put a Vegas style big screen tv with fancy seats there for watching games and drinking beer?

Holy **** it would make so much money. You could even have it on Saturdays for CFB or other sports.

I would be there all day when we have night games. Just chill and watch other games and then head over to our game 30 yards away.

Prison Bitch 11-16-2022 09:12 AM

Me walking up to the ticket box office:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b326c563...bvwko3_540.gif

scho63 11-16-2022 09:17 AM

The Chiefs can use the whole place for a unique game day experience.


Build mini fields, Chiefs could even build a practice facility there under roof to keep field in great shape.

I think they could even have shops there

Brody Wa 11-16-2022 02:17 PM

I would rather have a team with players like George Brett, Frank White and Willie Wilson than a new stadium with more expensive seats and a roster full of players that can’t compete for a World Series.

Prison Bitch 11-16-2022 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brody Wa (Post 16608523)
I would rather have a team with players like George Brett, Frank White and Willie Wilson than a new stadium with more expensive seats and a roster full of players that can’t compete for a World Series.

Fascinating take!

Red Dawg 11-16-2022 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brody Wa (Post 16608523)
I would rather have a team with players like George Brett, Frank White and Willie Wilson than a new stadium with more expensive seats and a roster full of players that can’t compete for a World Series.

Guess what you are going to get? The stadium.

stevieray 11-16-2022 06:01 PM

....the George Brett statue?

|Zach| 11-16-2022 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 16607823)
Me walking up to the ticket box office:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b326c563...bvwko3_540.gif

Why so scared

Bearcat 11-16-2022 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 16607823)
Me walking up to the ticket box office:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b326c563...bvwko3_540.gif

Here ya go, sweetie.

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/dw/i...rge/127775.jpg

ChiefsCountry 11-16-2022 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brody Wa (Post 16608523)
I would rather have a team with players like George Brett, Frank White and Willie Wilson than a new stadium with more expensive seats and a roster full of players that can’t compete for a World Series.

Wants championship team but doesn't want the way that you pay for them.

GloryDayz 11-16-2022 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16606651)
They should go downtown. Baseball is built for that. Little to no tailgating and less crowds.

100% This is a good thing.

WhawhaWhat 11-16-2022 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16607833)
The Chiefs can use the whole place for a unique game day experience.


Build mini fields, Chiefs could even build a practice facility there under roof to keep field in great shape.

I think they could even have shops there

or build a new stadium.

Titty Meat 11-16-2022 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 16608901)
Why so scared

He's a pussy he has me on ignore

scho63 11-16-2022 08:35 PM

They will likely built a lightrail or other large scale transport system.

scho63 11-16-2022 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 16608935)
or build a new stadium.

I can't speak for the STH but Arrowhead maybe one of the greatest stadiums as is. Was way ahead of it's time.

What is missing and do not say a roof or I will stab you.

WhawhaWhat 11-16-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16609052)
I can't speak for the STH but Arrowhead maybe one of the greatest stadiums as is. Was way ahead of it's time.

What is missing and do not say a roof or I will stab you.

All of the suites and amenities that come with a modern stadium that make the owners a bunch of money. Also a roof.

KCUnited 11-16-2022 09:08 PM

Envision an entertainment addition to GEHA that still allows mass groups of people cooking their own food and drinking their own drink in a parking lot the Chiefs split revenue with Jackson county.


Yeah I can’t either. Something is going to give in the next iteration of GEHA.

Titty Meat 11-16-2022 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16609084)
Envision an entertainment addition to GEHA that still allows mass groups of people cooking their own food and drinking their own drink in a parking lot the Chiefs split revenue with Jackson county.


Yeah I can’t either. Something is going to give in the next iteration of GEHA.

$100 places to tailgate its coming

KCUnited 11-16-2022 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16609086)
$100 places to tailgate its coming

Too light

GloryDayz 11-16-2022 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 16609049)
They will likely built a lightrail or other large scale transport system.

That would be great. Run lines to all the corners; Liberty, Lee's Summit, Olathe, and Leavenworth into downtown and it will be awesome for more than just baseball.

vonBobo 11-17-2022 10:35 AM

Article shows up in my news feed about the stadium. It was talking about how easy it will be for fans to access the stadium and gave the example of driving around to find a parking space, walk to a light rail stop, wait for the thing to arrive, take a "short trip" to the stadium and enjoy the downtown experience by walking by all of the businesses.

Gee... That is exactly what baseball fans have been needing... Extra transit steps, driving around looking for a spot in a city, no place to tailgate but buy beers along the light rail route for $6. This is easy! Also be funny watching 5k Johnson county SUVs and king cab trucks navigating downtown streets and parking garages. Good luck!

displacedinMN 11-17-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 16609099)
That would be great. Run lines to all the corners; Liberty, Lee's Summit, Olathe, and Leavenworth into downtown and it will be awesome for more than just baseball.

and put everyone in debt. 300 billion dollars

GloryDayz 11-17-2022 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 16609655)
and put everyone in debt. 300 billion dollars

Don't be dramatic, every big city needs it.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-17-2022 12:07 PM

Downtowns are a shit hole, but lulz at people being so scared

CoMoChief 11-17-2022 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16609086)
$100 places to tailgate its coming

yup

Eleazar 11-17-2022 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 16609068)
All of the suites and amenities that come with a modern stadium that make the owners a bunch of money. Also a roof.

There’s nothing wrong with building a new Arrowhead on the current site, but the team moving downtown would destroy the gameday experience. Maybe it’s not *as* big deal to baseball fans who are usually going out on a weeknight, but it’s never going to fly with Chiefs fans.

Molitoth 11-17-2022 12:52 PM

I really hope they go with an option that is NOT downtown. ;)
Then again, I live in the North Land.

HonestChieffan 11-17-2022 04:14 PM

Mayor Q and his cronies will reap millions in graft Royals will need to buy out the contract with Jackson County. They will beg for State money..not an easy sell with Qball bad mouthing the legislators and gov, they will need new city tax. And likely ask for bustard funding and tax joco and wyco. Then there is bond authority to be voted on. Oh, and anything Royals get the Chiefs will expect.

srvy 11-17-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 16610421)
Mayor Q and his cronies will reap millions in graft Royals will need to buy out the contract with Jackson County. They will beg for State money..not an easy sell with Qball bad mouthing the legislators and gov, they will need new city tax. And likely ask for bustard funding and tax joco and wyco. Then there is bond authority to be voted on. Oh, and anything Royals get the Chiefs will expect.

Downtown KC is in Jackson County. Now the Jackson County Sports Authority is another matter. Keep them involved or buy them out?

displacedinMN 11-17-2022 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 16609736)
Don't be dramatic, every big city needs it.

no one needs a government run, money sucking, gate jumping, mobile homeless shelter.

I am done.

RIP Kaufman Stadium

GloryDayz 11-17-2022 06:29 PM

Why does a good like moving a downtown sport to a downtown setting always have to result in these fights? while we all love the K in some ways, it's time to move on and put the Royals in a place where they might be able to draw a few more fans, the "Businessman's Special" when it's a short walk from the downtown office to the venue? Sure, it'll cost some coin, the Royals may still take 50+ years for the stars to align and not be a joke, but it would be nice to possibly give some bored people in those office building some place to hide from the boss.


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